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I believe John Armitage & Sarah Shackle to be the parents of James Armitage plus siblings.
John & Sarah married 19 August 1827 in Ealing.
PLEASE - can anyone tell me the names of their parents and help me to go any further back on this line.
John Armitage is my wife's 3rd Great Grandfather.
Annoying thing is that when we lived in Brentford many years ago we had no interest in Family History and so never made use of any of the local data available!
Thanks in advance to all for looking and holefully helping.
Mike
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Sorry Mike, Phillimore's only gives what you already have :(
19 August 1827 John Armitage and Sarah Shackle, Ealing.
Frances :)
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Many thanks indeed for looking Frances - it was worth a try.
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Hi Mike
Not a lot to add on the marriage but bear with me on this....
John Armitage Bachelor married Sarah Shackle Spinster at St Mary's Ealing, 19th August 1827. He signed his name, she left her mark.
Their witnesses were Sarah Langston (x) her mark and Chas Atlee. His signature is all over the register, must have been the 'professional' witness.
Then I took a chance on the filmed baptism registers, but I was running short of time and the first one I looked at had the following
1803 Aug 21 Thomas Shackell s of Robert and Charlotte born July 31
1805 Dec 1 Sarah Shackle d of Robert dec'd and Charlotte born Nov 12
The burial register for late 1805 showed nothing for Robert so I don't know where is is buried at the moment.
I also didn't get the chance to look at earlier registers to see if there were any other possible siblings.
So now there's a dilemma...
The LMA is closing next week until January for a refurb so I can't look again for you until after Christmas and the Central library in Ealing where records are also kept is still shut for a major refurb which is seriously behind schedule because of very large cracks in the walls.
So I'm sorry if I have tantalised you with some information but not enough ;)
Dawn
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OOh Dawn!
You really do know how to tease a fella don't you!
But seriously, many thanks indeed for some terrific input!!!
From the census I had her as born circa 1807, so November 1805 is certainly within the bounds of acceptability I think.
That being the case we have her parents as Robert & Charlotte which is a definite step forward.
Checking IGI gives Marriage of Robert Shackell (c1772) & Charlotte Langsdon (c1776), 20 Feb 1797 in Ealing.
Unfortunately though no further information on either of them or any of their children.
Thanks again Dawn for some very valuable information,
Mike
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Dawn,
I've just found Sarah's death, Dec Qtr, 1869 - age 64.
1869 - 64 = 1805 !!
Seems to clinch it to me!!
Thanks again.
Mike
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Hi Mike
Glad I've been of some use today.
It would appear from your posting that the Langton/Langsdon name could do with some further investigation as well as more children Shackell/Shackle children between 1797 and 1803.
I'll keep these notes on file and keep you posted on any further finds.
Dawn
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On Pallots marriage index.
Thos. Langston of Hammersmith
Sarah Field
1793 - Ealing - by licence.
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Samuel Langston
Sarah Smith
1825 - Ealing
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Many thanks Samuel - we're getting there!!
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Hi Mike
Long time, no write!
The LMA has re-opened, but Ealing Library is still closed, June has been suggested for a re-opening date but after all this time and the fiasco I won't hold my breath.
Have you discovered anything in the meantime or do you still require more help with this family?
I'll be there every Thursday until late March so if you need anything let me know.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Many thanks for remembering me - much appreciated!
Also more helpful than you realise; I had a major system crash a couple of months ago and then discovered that the wonderful Windows Vista backup wasn't recognising Family Tree Maker & Gedcom files so hadn't backed them up!!
The air was more than a little blue I can tell you. Luckily the whole system backup about 6 weeks old had captured these files and I recovered more as I had luckily uploaded to Genes Reunited a week or so previously.
But I am still finding about things that I had lost (if you understand me?) your note reminded me to look at this area and sure enough a lot of the data above had been lost and I had forgotten to refer to it again (I was a tad busy trying to rebuild the whole system at the time!!).
Anyway, back to business - YES PLEASE any help VERY much appreciated.
I'll reenter what we have so far and See where it gets us then come back to you with specifics if that's OK please?
Thanks again,,
Mike
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Hi Mike
I'm still on the case, we've not finished yet ;D
A bit more for you...... I'm such a tease ;)
From St Marys Acton Marriage register
Robert Shackell of this parish bachelor
and Charlotte Langsdon of this parish spinster
were married in this chuch by Banns published February 5th, 12th, 19th
this twentieth day of February in the year 1797
by me Saml Wix Curate
This marriage was solumnized between us
Robt Shackell X his mark
Charlotte Langsdon X her mark
in the presence of
George Yeamans
Wm Atlee Curate Islington
and then from the baptism register
1797 Shackell Susannah dr of Robert & Charlotte born April 1st PB 9th, Admitted April 23rd
(PB = privately baptised followed by her public appearance on 23rd)
1799 Shackell Sarah d of Robert & Charlotte born March 10th baptd March 27th
1801 Shackell William s of Robert & Charlotte born April 23 bp May 13
I then went through the burial register again, couldn't find Sarah above (and am assuming she died as an infant because of Sarah 1805) and no sight of Robert who had died before the baptism of Sarah 1805.
Their place of burial is still unknown but if you have an inkling about Brentford, I'll check there.
I did note that this is the only Shackell/Shackle family in the registers, however there are several Langsdons and Langstons.
Dawn
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Hello Dawn,
Hope you've been having a better summer than us!!
Many thanks for this, it's added a bit more to the jigsaw - well done ;D
The family was certainly in Brentford at the time, BUT now I'm wondering if in fact Robert was really Sarah's (1805) father - or was her mother widowed and Sarah illegitimate??
By coincidence I had a contact via Genes Reunited a day or two ago:-
..."a Charlotte Langsdon (Langston ?) baptised Ealing April 1817 who I think is the daughter of John Langston born Old Brentford about 1776 and his wife Sarah"...
Could explain why they were back in Brentford if Charlotte's parents were there - especially if she was widowed.
Thanks again for all this!!
Mike