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Can anyone please help me with information about Benjamin ROSSITER who settled in Cranbourne Shire, and his wife Zillah, and their four children: Charles (1820), Mercy (1822), Ann (1825) and Thomas (1832)?
I believe that Benjamin died in 1858, but would be interested to know when his wife Zillah died.
I also understand that Mercy Rossiter married Hery Wedge, but a date would be helpful if someone can oblige.
I can't find this family in passenger lists, so it would be helpful to locate when they actually emigrated from England.
Any help gratefully received.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Zillah is presumably the sister of Your Thomas Baynton
Died 1871 age 82 ref 8188 Father Thomas Baynton Mother Sarah Wrentmore
I am using the AVRI and it gives Birthplace as Kilm (which I would have thought is Kilmore Vic - but I assume she was born in England - thus it may be the deathplace, incorrectly transcribed
Mercy Paynton Rossiter married Henry Wedge 1852 ref 20387 State Victoria Parish St Andrews Brighton C of E
Trish
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Also from the AVRI
Charles Rossiter married Ellen Teressa O'SHEA 1854 ref 1947 Victoria (no other details)
Charles Rossiter married Ann FLETCHER 1862 ref 648 Victoria
Thomas Rossiter married Mary Ann O'SHEA 1854 ref 1842 Victoria
Thomas Rossiter married Ellen Dalglish 1864 ref 3084
Thomas Rossiter married Rebecca WHITE 1871 ref 3107
The O'SHEA sisters look possible :)
Trish
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Many thanks for this very speedy and helpful reply.
You are of course right about Thomas Baynton and Zillah Rossiter (nee Baynton)
This information is relly excellent and very helpful.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Forgive me - I went looking for a death for Thomas Rossiter, instead of Benjamin ::) ::) - I have become fixed on the name Thomas (It belongs to many many of my family members)
I will get the correct information. I realised this was wrong when I found the following death
Chas Rossiter Father Benj Mother Zilliah BAMTON (sic) age 74 Place Cranbourne 1895 Ref 1321
I will try and be more methodical
Trish
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This is Benjamins death record
Benjamin Rossiter died 1858 ref 1345 Father James Mother Anne U (Unknown) Birthplace England
Zilliah was probably the informant, so his death certificate should give number of years in Victoria/Australia, so this would help to find the immigration
Trish
Edit: I have found an Emily Baguton (sic) Rossiter parents Chas and Ellen Theresa O'Shea - so I would think that is the marriage for your Charles.
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Forgive me - I went looking for a death for Thomas Rossiter, instead of Benjamin ::) ::) - I have become fixed on the name Thomas (It belongs to many many of my family members)
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It's actually my fault. I originally posted the inquiry with the wrong name in the Subject line. I was confused between Thomas BAYNTON and Thomas ROSSITER, so it was me that caused the problem!!
Thanks a lot for persevering; it's doubly kind of you when I mix up the forenames, but least we have the right person now!
Philip Candy
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A few more
Children of Henry Wedge and Mercy Baynton Rossiter
Alice Ann 1854 / 3053 Place Ball Victoria
Edward Davy 1856 / 8045 Place Lindhurst Victoria
Children of Charles Rossiter and Ellen O'Shea
Edward Augustus 1856 / 4367 Western Pt
Emily Brynton 1857 / 5571 C'Bourne
Charles Benjamin 1865 / 21458 Cran
Hubert 1869 / 21696 Cranbourne
Ellen Teresa 1871 / 22626 Cran
and Deaths
Death - children of Charles and Ellen
Hubert Rossiter 1870 / 891 Birthplace Rave
Emily Baguton age 26 1883/ 7879 Birthplace unknown
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I assume this is yours - was Thomas jnr a Thomas James?
Birth James Thomas ROSSITER 1858/ 6233 father Thomas James Mother Mary Ann Jos'Ine O'Shea Crainbourn
I don't find a death for Mary - but no more children either. There are a number of children for Thomas Rossiter and Ellen Dalgleish. I don't see a death for Thomas either - maybe they moved states - you could try NSW (or I need to look post 1901)
Didn't find Thomas, but I found this Death
Death Helena Ellen Rossiter parents Chas Rossiter and Ellen Teressa OSHEA age 40 Melb E 1902 14920
so it seems I have missed a birth c. 1862
and this death
Ellen Theresa Rossiter father O'shea mother unknown died 1909 / 6961 age 73, place Welshpool
One of the others with the Vic CD will find it easier to find spelling variations - I'll send her a note :)
Trish
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Hello there
from the Pioneer index Victoria
ZILLAH ROSSITER died in 1871 aged 82 reg no 8188
birthplace given as KILM?
father THOMAS BAYTON mother SARAH WRENTMORE
kind regards Jenn
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Hello again
this couple's marriage is detailed on
http://www.familysearch.org/
Zillah Baynton - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 30 APR 1818 Kilmersdon, Somerset, England
regards jenn
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,162636.msg760099.html#msg760099
also note this rootschatter looking at the same family
regards jenn
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Hi There,
I am not sure whether this info has been sent to you [or someone ele] by me [or someone else] but this is the cemetery link which will show you some early ROSSITER burials at Cranbourne, Vic
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/vic/casey/cranbourne.htm
They include Emily BAYNTON Rossiter 1857 - 1883.
and will give some details on some others for you I think..Helena, Charles, Ellen....
Sue
EDIT Have amended that link to one that works
Index P-Z
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Dear all
Please accept my apologies for failing to respond sooner to your very helpful postings.
I had another posting at the same time (for Zillah's brother, Thomas BAYNTON) also in Victoria which had over 25 postings in a day and a half, and I was kept busy responding to all that.
In any case, this whole thread has proven to be extremely helpful, and I now have a much better idea of what happened to this family after they reached Australia.
Thanks so much for all the detective work and the kind suggestions about lines of inquiry.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Hi Phillip
I have just joined so you may already have this info.
Henry WEDGE son of Edward Davey WEDGE 1777-1852 & Lucy KING - 1852 (both drowned 21 May 1852 together with one of their daughters Lucy WEDGE in the Werribee River, Victoria flood). Henry was born 1819 Stetchworth, Cambridgeshire arrived in Australia 1830 on board the "Wanstead" with his mother and four sisters to join fatherand brothers. Henry died 1866 Lynhurst, Victoria, Aust. Henry & Mercy had three children - Alice, Edward Davy & Lucy.
SoffeNZ
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Please accept my apologies for the delay in reply; I have been away from home over the Christmas-New Year period, and am only now catching up on the backlog of emails.
Many thanks for this additional information. It has allowed me to find quite a lot more about this family, which appears to have been very early settlers in Victoria and before that in Tasmania.
Thanks a lot for writing to me.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Hi, Are you still looking for information on the Rossiters as I have quite alot of information that could answer most of the questions and clear up the replies posted last year as some of that information is incorrect. Kind regards, Gayle
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Hello Gayle
I am always on the lookout for further information, and would prefer to have corrects facts in my database.
Please let me have whatever you think would be helpful.
Kind regards and thanks
Philip Candy
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Hi Philip,
Sorry that I have taken so long to get back to you. I have the following information:
Benjamin (Joseph?) Rossiter was born c1785-1786 to James Rossiter and Ann Rossiter nee Hoddinott and baptised on the 4th June, 1786 at St. Mary’s, Witham Friary in Somerset, England and died at “Ravenhurst”, (Gladys Park) on the Berwick Road, Garem Gam (near Cranbourne) at 6.00am on the 29th January 1858*. Buried at Dandenong Cemetery, Kirkham Road, Dandenong, Victoria. Cause of death: “successive attacks of Apoplexy” Hand written note as death certificate written by Benjamin’s physician and friend Dr. James Bathe of Garem Gam. *Note: Cemetery records lists Benjamin’s death as 28 January 1858.
Zillah Baynton was born c1789 to Thomas and Sarah Baynton (nee Wrentmore?) and was baptised on the 18th October, 1789 at Leigh-on-Mendip, Somerset. Zillah died on the 29th December, 1871 and is buried at Dandenong Cemetery, Kirkham Road, Dandenong, Victoria.
Benjamin Rossiter of Frome Selwood, Somerset at the time married Zillah Baynton on the 30th April, 1818 at the Parish of Kilmersdon by Daniel Drape, Curate. Witnessed by Thomas Baynton and Sally Baynton.
Benjamin (occupation recorded as Yeoman at the time) and Zillah listed their abode as Leigh-on-Mendip when christening their children at Kilmersdon on the following dates:
Charles 19/11/1820 (born 11/81820 at Leigh-on-Mendip)
Mercy Baynton 14/7/1825 (born 26/8/1822 at Leigh-on-Mendip)
Ann 14/7/1825 (born 7/3/1825 at Leigh-on-Mendip)
Thomas James there is no mention of his christening at Kilmersdon
(he was born 20/4/1831 at Radstock)
Benjamin, Zillah and family emmigrated to Australia in 1841 on the Strathfieldsaye arriving at Port Phillip, Victoria in August. They travelled with Zillah’s brother who was Dr. Thomas Baynton (1792), the Surgeon in Charge of the Strathfieldsaye. There is no record of Benjamin and Zillah's names as they must have been paying passengers and these names as far as I can ascertain were not recorded however I think Charles and Mercy (recorded as Mary) travelled as assisted immgirants.
Charles Rossiter married Ellen Teressa O'Shea (1836-1909) at St. Peter's Church in Melbourne in 1854. Thomas James Rossiter married Ellen's sister Mary-Ann Josephine O'Shea.
Please correct any information that you think is incorrect and if you can help me with any additional information that you may have discovered I would really appreciate it!
Kind regards,
Gayle
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Dear listers
I am revisiting this research in light of some further information from Cemetery Records.
Can someone please give me the date of marriage for Charles Benjamin ROSSITER to Mary Ann Mercy Zillah (Maiden name unknown)? It is likely to be around 1890.
Also, I am interested to find the marriage of his brother Claude Cecil ROSSITER to Stella (Maiden name unknown) also around 1890.
Any help gratefully received.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Any ide of what state?
Jenn
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marriage in Victoria
ROSSITER Chas Benj born Cbourne married ROSSITER Mary Anne Mercy Zillah born Cbourne in 1899 in Victoria reg no 309
will look for her death to see what parents names were
Jenn
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ROSSITER Mary Ann Mercy Zillah died aged 58 in Dandenong in 919 reg no 1443
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Anne OSHEA
Jenn
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ROSSITER Claude Cecil born Koo-wee-rup married PARAGREEN Stella MAry born Vic in 1907 reg no 447
children
Lelia Ellen Mary 1908 Welshpool reg no 7716
Maida Eunice 1914 Welshpool reg no 8671
Marjorie Teressa 1919 Welshpool reg no 7804
Claude Stanley 1916 Welshpool reg no 25603
Jenn
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ROSSITER Mary Ann Mercy Zillah died aged 58 in Dandenong reg no 1443
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Anne OSHEA
Age: 58
Jenn
Many thanks Jenn. I should have said Victoria, but you have already found that out!
Can I ask you if there are any other deaths whose parent were also Thomas James ROSSITER and Mary Anne O'Shea?
I haven't found any other children born to this couple.
Kind regards
Philip
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ROSSITER Norton Bayton died aged 71 in 1947 reg no 19239 at Toora
Father Rossiter Chas
Mother Emily Teresa SHEA
Jenn
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ROSSITER Claude Cecil born Koo-wee-rup married PARAGREEN Stella Mary born Vic in 1907 reg no 447
children
Lelia Ellen Mary 1908 Welshpool reg no 7716
Maida Eunice 1914 Welshpool reg no 8671
Marjorie Teressa 1919 Welshpool reg no 7804
Claude Stanley 1916 Welshpool reg no 25603
Jenn
This is great Jenn. I only found this couple this morning, mentioned in Claude's mother's will, so now I have his marriage AND the names of their children.
Thanks so much
Philip
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ROSSITER Norton Bayton died aged 71 in 1947 reg no 19239 at Toora
Father Rossiter Chas
Mother Emily Teresa SHEA
Jenn
Thanks Jenn
The tricky thing is that Charles ROSSITER married Ellen Theresa O'SHEA and his brother Thomas James ROSSITER married her sister, Mary Anne Josephine O'SHEA!
So there are quite a few people with both these names in their ancestry.
Would you be able to look at birth records instead of death records? For instance, her tombstone suggests that Mary Ann Mercy Zillah ROSSITER was born in 1860; are there other ROSSITERs born around that same time in Victoria, with parents Thomas and Mary Ann?
Kind regards and thanks
Philip
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I don’t know if you have this death or not
Reg no 14539/1907
ROSSITER THOMAS J father BENJAMIN mother ZILLAHat MOLONG in NSw
His gravestone can be viewed at
http://cemindex.arkangles.com/inscription.php?id=3302688
his wife can be seen also she is buried at Cunnamulla Qld
http://cemindex.arkangles.com/inscription.php?id=3055240
her death is on the Qld BDM’s
reg no 1891/C1112
Rossiter Mary Anne Josephine
Father John O'Shea mother Mary Josephine Ryan
Jenn
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ROSSITER Thomas James born 1858 at Crainbourn reg no 6233
father Thomas James mother Mary Anne Josephine Oshea
Jenn
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I don’t know if you have this death or not
Reg no 14539/1907
ROSSITER THOMAS J father BENJAMIN mother Zillah at MOLONG in NSW
His gravestone can be viewed at
http://cemindex.arkangles.com/inscription.php?id=3302688
his wife can be seen also she is buried at Cunnamulla Qld
http://cemindex.arkangles.com/inscription.php?id=3055240
her death is on the Qld BDM’s
reg no 1891/C1112
Rossiter Mary Anne Josephine
Father John O'Shea mother Mary Josephine Ryan
Jenn
Wow, you really have cast a wide net!
Yes, I found these people yesterday, which encouraged me to find out more about their children.
The only other child I have so far is a Thomas, born at Cranbourne, Victoria in 1860 (Ref No: 6233) but I wonder if they had other children following their marriage in 1854?
Best wishes and thanks
Philip
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Thomas is the only birth to this couple in the Vic records.
Cheers
Cando
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Thomas is the only birth to this couple in the Vic records.
Cheers
Cando
Thanks Cando
Earlier today I posted something about Mary Ann Mercy Zillah ROSSITER, daughter of this couple, who died in 1919 aged 58.
Her parents were shown as Thomas and Mary Anne ROSSITER and her headstone gives her date of birth as 6th (or maybe 8th) August 1860.
Is there any kind of birth record with this torrent of (unusual) first names that might fit?
Phil
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Sorry Phil...absolutely nothing.
People did forget to register the childrens' births and I am not sure about Victoria but in NSW the registrar was prohibited from accepting birth regs after a certain period. There were also fines imposed for late regs. Bit hazy about this subject these days :-[
Cando
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ROSSITER Claude Cecil born Koo-wee-rup married PARAGREEN Stella MAry born Vic in 1907 reg no 447
children
Lelia Ellen Mary 1908 Welshpool reg no 7716
Maida Eunice 1914 Welshpool reg no 8671
Marjorie Teressa 1919 Welshpool reg no 7804
Claude Stanley 1916 Welshpool reg no 25603
Jenn
I would like to add the following to this subject:-
ROSSITER Claude Cecil (born 24/8/1878 at "Hawksdale", Yallock and died 12/9/1947) married PARAGREEN Stella Mary (born 20/3/1884 at Won Wron and died 30/10/1955) in 1907.
Their children were:-
Leila Ellen Mary born 14/1/1908 died 1/7/1985
Daphne Stella 3/8/1912 died 12/4/1964
Maida Eunice 18/12/1914 died 10/11/1961
Stanley Claude 4/9/1916
Marjorie Teressa 24/1/1919 died 7/1/1993
Emily Claudia Estelle 10/10/1921 died 22/2/2001
Alma Ena 18/8/1925 died 19/4/1988
Regards,
Gayle
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Fantastic Gayle.
I really appreciate this extra information.
Kind regards
Philip
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marriage in Victoria
ROSSITER Chas Benj born Cbourne married ROSSITER Mary Anne Mercy Zillah born Cbourne in 1899 in Victoria reg no 309
will look for her death to see what parents names were
Jenn
Just adding the following to this subject:-
Charles Rossiter's son ROSSITER Charles Benjamin (born 11/10/1860 at "Ravenhurst", Cranbourne, Victoria and died 16/11/1942) married his cousin ROSSITER Zillah (died in the 1920's) and they had no children.
Regards,
Gayle
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ROSSITER Mary Ann Mercy Zillah died aged 58 in Dandenong in 919 reg no 1443
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Anne OSHEA
Jenn
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Thomas is the only birth to this couple in the Vic records.
Cheers
Cando
Dear Cando and others who have helped.
I came across another website which lists the following children for Thomas James ROSSITER and Mary O'SHEA:
i. Frances Ann Rossiter was born 10 Aug 1855 in Victoria, and died 15 Jun 1934 in Gordon, NSW. [This does seem to be registered under the name Fanny A ROSSITER]
ii. Blanche Mary Rossiter was born 1858 in Clyde, Victoria, and died 1898 in Moonee Ponds, Victoria, Australia.
iii. Thomas James Rossiter was born 16 May 1858 in Clyde, Victoria, and died in Victoria.
iv. Zillah Rossiter was born Aug 1860 in Clyde, Victoria, and died 1919 in Victoria.
v. William Buckley Rossiter was born 2 Oct 1862 in Ravenhurst, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia, and died after 1901 in Wales, England.
vi. Herbert Simon Rossiter was born 13 Dec 1864 in Ravenhurst, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia, and died 22 Sep 1941 in Tasmania, Australia.
vii. Henry Wedge Rossiter was born 28 Dec 1866 in Victoria, and died in Victoria.
viii. Katherine Baynton Rossiter was born 3 Feb 1876 in Victoria, and died 31 Dec 1907 in Molong, Victoria. She married David Allen. [Note: Molong isn't in Victoria, this is at least partly wrong]
(see: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=symonds&id=P2809573396)
According to that researcher, Blanche Mary ROSSITER married James Melville Symonds in 1886; Thomas James ROSSITER married Celia Mary Boland; William Buckley ROSSITER married Elizabeth ROSSITER from Somerset England and had children in the UK, although there doesn't seem to be any indication of the marriage in the freebmd records for England; and Katherine Baynton ROSSITER married David Allen. In addition, I have found that Henry Wedge ROSSITER moved to Tasmania, where he had at least five children with his wife Hilda May (nee MARR), but I haven't found their marriage yet. [see: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,387761.0.html]
So can anyone add anything more, given this new information?
Kind regards and many thanks
Phil
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As I have pointed out to Phil on the other thread some of this information is a bit off, I cannot locate any of these births in Victoria, you would have thought at least one of them might havebeen registered, that is not to say it is incorrect just strange.
This reseacher has the said KAthleen Baynton Rossiter marrying and dying details however there is no death in NSW at Molong or anywhere else that matches. Incidently that is the same year and place that Thomas JAmes Rossiter DOES indeed die.!!!
Jenn
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Okay found this death in NSW
reg no 5132/1962
ALLEN KATHERINE BAYNTON father THOMAS mother MARY district CHATSWOOD
and this death in Victoria
SYMONDS Blanche died in 1898 at Essendon reg no 11850 aged 39
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Ann OSHEA
but still no matching births!!!!!!
Jenn
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As Jenn as said, no births on the Vic indexes and don't have the time at the moment to read all the other threads but noted
Deaths
SYMONDS Blanche
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Ann OSHEA
39 years at Essendon 1898 Reg#11850
ROSSITER Mary Ann Mercy Zillah
Father Rossiter Thos Jas Mother Mary Anne OSHEA
58 years at Dandenong 1919 Reg#1433
After the name WEDGE was raised yesterday in Tas
WEDGE Mercy Baynton
Father Rossiter Benj Mother Zillah BAYNTON
80 years Hawthorn 1903 Reg#13619
I apologise to 'chatters if this info has been given before.
As mentioned previously Phil some people chose not to register their children. Wonder if the information came from a family bible.
Perhaps some certs and transcriptions are needed.
Cheers
Cando
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I really agree with your caution about this. I have written to the person who posted the family information asking if it came from family sources (such as a Bible or Birthday Book) but haven't heard back so far.
I have found deaths for Henry Wedge ROSSITER and Herbert Simon ROSSITER in Tasmania (1944 and 1941 respectively) but parents' names not mentioned.
Katherine Baynton ROSSITER married David ALLEN in Parramatta RD in 1921, so she was already about 55 at that time.
Kind regards
Phil
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Birth not registered but here is a baptism
ROSSITER, Fanny Ann.
Event
Baptism
15 Dec 1856
Place St Andrews Brighton
Source St Andrew's Church of England Brighton
Comment Daughter of Thomas James & Mary Ann Josephine
Will search for the other names later.
Cheers
Cando
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Wow
A shaft of light after all the gloom; how reassuring.
It's really interesting that this baptism is in December 1856 whereas the posted birthdate was in August 1855, so it looks as if the birthdates are based on a different source, such as a family Bible.
Many thanks
Phil
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Yes but a lot of baptisms especially in early Australia depened on a minister or church being handy. Often the family would have to travel many, many miles to a church or minister to have a baby baptised. That is why you often see the same baptisimal dates for a number of children born to one couple. Circumstances often meant the couple would have them all baptised together.
Jenn
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v. William Buckley Rossiter was born 2 Oct 1862 in Ravenhurst, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia, and died after 1901 in Wales, England.
vi. Herbert Simon Rossiter was born 13 Dec 1864 in Ravenhurst, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia, and died 22 Sep 1941 in Tasmania, Australia.
So can anyone add anything more, given this new information?
Kind regards and many thanks
Phil
Hi Phil,
Just adding to this subject:-
"Ravenhurst" is the name of the property (it is not/was not a suburb or town) which was the station or run that formed the eastern section of the larger Garem Gam station situated on the Berwick Road, Cranbourne, Victoria.
Regards,
Gayle
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Thank you Gayle. This is helpful extra information.
Philip
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Gayle are you able to add any more information, ie can you verifiy the names that have been found on the tree in cyberspace.
Jenn
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A bit more -
ROSSITER Thomas James
O'SHEA, Mary Ann Josephine.
Marriage 1 Sept 1854
Place St Andrews Brighton
Witnesses ROSSITER Benjamin, ROSSITER Zillah
ROSSITER MRS.
Burial 7 Feb 1919
Place DANDENONG
ROSSITER, Hubert Hugh
Death 5 Feb 1870
Place Cranbourne
Cranbourne cemetery headstones 12 Dec 1858 - 24 Mar 1986.
Cando
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Hi Jenn,
I am just new to this so bear with me if I don't use the correct terminology or protocol when replying to these posts. I am the granddaughter of Claude Cecil and the great granddaughter of Charles (son of Benjamin & Zillah). All my information comes from recollections and bits and pieces of our family history written by my aunties and mum before they passed away and subsequent information which I have been able to marry up with the information that I have. I may be wrong in some instances - that's why these posts are an important source to me.
Kind regards,
Gayle
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Marriage
ROSSITER, Mercy Baynton
WEDGE Henry
24 Feb 1852
Place St Andrews Brighton
Witnesses ROSSITER Benjamin, NORRIS Jane
I can't see any further baptisms of the chn of Thomas and Mary.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you so much Cando.
At the risk of asking for too much, is there any sign of the baptisms of the Wedge children at St Andrews? They would be
Lucy 1852
Alice Ann 1854
Edward Davy 1856.
Thanks so much for looking for these various baptisms; it has helped enormously.
Kind regards
Phil
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Nothing for the WEDGE children listed.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Jenn,
I am just new to this so bear with me if I don't use the correct terminology or protocol when replying to these posts. I am the granddaughter of Claude Cecil and the great granddaughter of Charles (son of Benjamin & Zillah). All my information comes from recollections and bits and pieces of our family history written by my aunties and mum before they passed away and subsequent information which I have been able to marry up with the information that I have. I may be wrong in some instances - that's why these posts are an important source to me.
Kind regards,
Gayle
There is no set terminology or rules we are just a group of people more than willing to help anyone else where we can ;D
It is good if you are able to cite sources as we are having trouble finding some of the children.
Any information is allways welcome and of course it works the other way, anything we can help you with just ask
kind thoughts Jenn
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A bit more -
ROSSITER Thomas James
O'SHEA, Mary Ann Josephine.
Marriage 1 Sept 1854
Place St Andrews Brighton
Witnesses ROSSITER Benjamin, ROSSITER Zillah
Cando
Hi Cando,
I wonder if there's any record of another ROSSITER/O'SHEA marriage also in 1854?
According to the Victorian online indexes, Charles ROSSITER married Ellen Theresa O'Shea in 1854, and it seems likely that they were married in the same place, if not at the same time, as Thomas ROSSITER and Mary Anne O'Shea.
Any sign of them?
Phil
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ROSSITER Charles married Ellen Teressa O SHEA in 1854 reg no 1947
Jenn
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Posted the same wedding details Phil ...nothing for Charles and Ellen that I have found yet....will get back to you after searching a bit further.
Cheers
Cando
Edit to alter info
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Yes, they were two sisters marrying two brothers. That's what made me think that the marriages might have been on the same day!
As you can see, the grooms' parents -Benjamin and Zillah - were witnesses both times.
Here's another challenge: Any sign of (a) a marriage for Edwin Augustus ROSSITER probably in 1890; (b) the birth of a daughter named Frances soon afterwards; (c) the death of his wife some time prior to 1915; and (d) the death of Edwin, probably in 1939?
I have just discovered that he enlisted in the First AIF (Remount Regiment, 1st Squadron) in 1915, claiming to be 50. In fact, he was just a few months off sixty!!
As always, your help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Kind regards
Phil
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Phil have edited my last post...the reg numbers have quite a gap so wouldn't be the same day. Sorry about my incorrect posting.
Cando
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Yes, they were two sisters marrying two brothers. That's what made me think that the marriages might have been on the same day!
As you can see, the grooms' parents -Benjamin and Zillah - were witnesses both times.
Here's another challenge: Any sign of (a) a marriage for Edwin Augustus ROSSITER probably in 1890; (b) the birth of a daughter named Frances soon afterwards; (c) the death of his wife some time prior to 1915; and (d) the death of Edwin, probably in 1939?
I have just discovered that he enlisted in the First AIF (Remount Regiment, 1st Squadron) in 1915, claiming to be 50. In fact, he was just a few months off sixty!!
As always, your help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Kind regards
Phil
Do you have some of this information allready or are you quoting from another resource?
Jenn
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ROSSITER Edwin Agustus died in 1939 reg no 9330 at R PARK aged 84
mother Ellen Therese Oshea father Charles Rossiter
two other deaths with the same parents name
NELLIE TERESA BRIERLY died 1926 aged 56 at Heidleburg reg no 5747
CHARLES BENJAMIN ROSSITER died 1942 aged 77 atPranham reg no 30337
THINK YOU HAVE THIS ONE ALLREADY THOUGH ;D
Jenn
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this is exactly what I was hoping for. Is there any sign of Edwin's marriage in about 1890?
Many thanks for your help - Phil
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Charles Rossiter and Ellen Teressa O'Shea (born Mallow, County of Cork, Ireland 11/4/1836, died 3/6/1909) married in St. Peter's Church, Melbourne on the 31/8/1854. He was a Protestant. She was a Catholic. Thomas James Rossiter married Mary-Ann Josephine O'Shea, They had at least one child, a son Thomas Jnr who married Cecelia Mary Boland. Thomas James Rossiter died at his home in Edward Street, Molong, New South Wales on 30 December aged 76 years.
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ROSSITER Edwin Augustus married Ellen Louisa CRAIG in 1890 reg no 302
Children born to this couple
Ida Hamilton 1891 at Hamilton reg no 23578 died aged 6 mnths in 1892 reg no 2189
Dorothy Mabel 1896 at Kooweerup reg no 4574
Stanley Hamilton 1898 at Kooweerup reg no 4307 died 1898 reg no 3045
Deaths of children to Edwin August Rossiter and Ellen Louisa Craig
Violett SWEENEY 1934 aged 40 at sheparton reg no 19008
Amy Isabel SWEENEY 1947 aged 48 at Maffra reg no 20948
CAZALY Frances Carol aged 37 in 1931 at Bunyip reg no 513
PARAGREEN Ivy Constance aged 83 in 1974 at Hasting reg no 7339
Note I could not find corresponding births in Victoria
ROSSITER Ellen Louisa died aged 47 in 1912 at Melbourne East reg no 2392
Father Archibald CRAIG mother Louis Young
Jenn
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Marriage in NSW
Reg no 6931/1941 groom JUSTICE GORDON LESLIE bride ROSSITER DOROTHY MABEL
and from the Ryerson index
JUSTICE Dorothy Mabel Death notice 07JAN1990 Death 95 late of Bradbury
Bradbury is a suburb of Campbelltown
Jenn
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These postings arebrilliant. Thank you so much. Kind regards - Phil Candy
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Charles Rossiter and Ellen Teressa O'Shea (born Mallow, County of Cork, Ireland 11/4/1836, died 3/6/1909) married in St. Peter's Church, Melbourne on the 31/8/1854. He was a Protestant. She was a Catholic. Thomas James Rossiter married Mary-Ann Josephine O'Shea, They had at least one child, a son Thomas Jnr who married Cecelia Mary Boland. Thomas James Rossiter died at his home in Edward Street, Molong, New South Wales on 30 December aged 76 years.
sibs
Many thanks for this information, especially for the actual date and place of Charles and Ellen's marriage.
I am intrigued by the information about Thomas James ROSSITER. As far as I can tell, Thomas James ROSSITER was born on 16 May 1856 at Cranbourne in Victoria to (another) Thomas James ROSSITER and his wife Mary-Anne Josephine O'Shea. It was the father who died at Molong in 1907 aged 76 (the NSW Index of deaths gives the parents' names as Benjamin and Zillah, which fits with what I know already.)
What I haven't been able to locate is when and where Thomas James (junior) died. His wife Cecilia Mary (nee BOLAND) seems to have died at Liverpool in NSW in 1958, but I can't find any reference to Thomas's death.
Please let me know if you can add anything more about this family.
Kind regards and thanks again.
Philip
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Sorry Phil I should have made that clear:-
Thomas James Rossiter (son of Benjamin 1786-1858 and Zillah 1789-1871), who was the father of Thomas Jnr, died on the 30th of December (year not legible) at his residence, Edward Street, Molong, New South Wales, aged 76 years.
Also Mary Anne Josephine Rossiter (nee O'Shea - sister to Ellen Teressa and David O'Shea) died previously to her husband at 58 years on the 27th of August (year not legible) at her residence"Spring Grove".
Ellen Teressa, Mary Anne Josephine and David's father was John O'Shea and their mother was Mary Rhine.
That all I can tell you as I am descended from Charles' line not Thomas.
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ROSSITER Edwin Augustus married Ellen Louisa CRAIG in 1890 reg no 302
Children born to this couple
Ida Hamilton 1891 at Hamilton reg no 23578 died aged 6 mnths in 1892 reg no 2189
Dorothy Mabel 1896 at Kooweerup reg no 4574
Stanley Hamilton 1898 at Kooweerup reg no 4307 died 1898 reg no 3045
Deaths of children to Edwin August Rossiter and Ellen Louisa Craig
Violett SWEENEY 1934 aged 40 at sheparton reg no 19008
Amy Isabel SWEENEY 1947 aged 48 at Maffra reg no 20948
CAZALY Frances Carol aged 37 in 1931 at Bunyip reg no 513
PARAGREEN Ivy Constance aged 83 in 1974 at Hasting reg no 7339
Note I could not find corresponding births in Victoria
ROSSITER Ellen Louisa died aged 47 in 1912 at Melbourne East reg no 2392
Father Archibald CRAIG mother Louis Young
Jenn
This is from my auntie's list of Charles (1820-1895) and Ellen Teressa (1836-1909) Rossiter's children in order of birth:-
Edwin Augustus born 10/6/1855 at "Ravenhurst", Cranbourne, died 21/9/1939 aged 84 years married Blanche and had six daughters Ivy, Francis, Amy, Dorothy, Voilet and Ada.
Emily Baynton born 21/1/1857 at "Ravenhurst", died 29/6/1883 aged 26 years never married.
Helena Teressa born 23/11/1859 at "Ravenhurst", died 30/12/1902 aged 43 years never married.
Charles Benjamin born 11/10/1860 at "Ravenhurst", died 16/11/1942 aged 76 years married cousin Zillah Rossiter and had no children.
Hubert Hugh born 26/10/1869 at "Ravenhurst", died 5/2/1870 aged 4 months.
Ellen Teressa (Nellie) born 8/8/1871 at "Ravenhurst", died 30/5/1926 aged 55 years married William Brierley and had no children. They lived at Albert Park.
Norton Baynton born 26/8/1874 at "Hawkesdale", Yallock, died 17/5/1947 aged 73 years married Hilda Hodgson (22/12/1879-13/6/1950) in 1905 and had five children Garth died a baby, Helena Baynton (Lanie) born 6/5/1907, Elese Teressa (Elee) born 16/2/1909, Charles Norton (Norrie) born 31/7/1916 and Nea Baynton born 11/2/1919.
Claude Cecil born 24/8/1878 at "Hawkesdale", died 12/9/1947 aged 69 years married Stella Mary Paragreen (1884-1955) in 1907 and had seven children Leila Ellen Mary 14/1/1908, Daphne Stella 3/8/1912, Maida Eunice 18/12/1914, Stanley Claude 4/9/1916, Marjorie Teressa 24/1/1919, Emily Claudia Estelle 10/10/1921 and Alma Ena 18/8/1925.
Regards,
Gayle
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Thank you so much for this, Gayle. It fills in quite a few gaps and provides additional names and dates that I would have been unlikely to find otherwise.
I'm really grateful to you for sharing this family information, and for taking the time and trouble to type it all out.
Kind regards
Phil
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ROSSITER Edwin Augustus married Ellen Louisa CRAIG in 1890 reg no 302
Children born to this couple
Ida Hamilton 1891 at Hamilton reg no 23578 died aged 6 mnths in 1892 reg no 2189
Dorothy Mabel 1896 at Kooweerup reg no 4574
Stanley Hamilton 1898 at Kooweerup reg no 4307 died 1898 reg no 3045
Deaths of children to Edwin August Rossiter and Ellen Louisa Craig
Violett SWEENEY 1934 aged 40 at sheparton reg no 19008
Amy Isabel SWEENEY 1947 aged 48 at Maffra reg no 20948
CAZALY Frances Carol aged 37 in 1931 at Bunyip reg no 513
PARAGREEN Ivy Constance aged 83 in 1974 at Hasting reg no 7339
Note I could not find corresponding births in Victoria
ROSSITER Ellen Louisa died aged 47 in 1912 at Melbourne East reg no 2392
Father Archibald CRAIG mother Louis Young
Jenn
Thanks to those who posted here.
I've been looking for Rossiter info. to fill in some gaps, particularly Edwin Augustus family history.
His wife Ellen Louisa Craig was elder sister to a great Grandmother of mine Caroline Jane Craig.
I understand that after Ellen's death apparently the 6 girls went to live with other Rossiter family.
Although know of their marriages, only knew youngest daughter Ada's family in a little more detail.
rgds
Neil
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This reseacher has the said KAthleen Baynton Rossiter marrying and dying details however there is no death in NSW at Molong or anywhere else that matches. Incidently that is the same year and place that Thomas JAmes Rossiter DOES indeed die.!!!
Is anyone able to confirm if she is definitely the daughter of Thomas James Rossiter and Mary Ann Josephine O'Shea? There is no evidence of her birth to Thomas James and Mary Ann that I can find. Also there is a 10 year difference between Henry being born in 1866 and Katherine in 1876 - does that seem strange? Also Thomas's obituary states 4 sons, 3 daughters to mourn his loss - as all the others were living and Katherine was still living then it should read 4 sons and 4 daughters. As stated earlier a Katherine Baynton Rossiter married David C.E. Allen in 1921 and she died in 1962 in Chatswood, New South Wales, Australia (NSW BDM Reg. no. 5132/1965. Katherine Baynton Allen, d/o of Thomas and Mary). Is this the evidence that she is their daughter?
SORRY JUST ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION:-
Source: The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 16 June 1934 DEATHS. ROSSITER.- June 15, 1934, at the residence of her sister, Mrs D.C.E. Allen, 46 McIntyre-street, Gordon, Fannie Anne, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. T.J. Rossiter, of Cunnamulla, Queensland.
However confirmation of the birth date for Katherine would be great to have.