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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: JackLemon on Sunday 14 October 07 00:35 BST (UK)
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Hi all. Yet another Newbie joining the ranks of the inquisitive. Whoever thought up the TV programme 'Who do you think you are?' has got a lot to answer for!
Where to start? Ok.. stuff I think I know..
My Grandfather was Ivor Clifford Leaman and he was one of three or more children including Grace Leaman & Vera Leaman... I believe that they lived in Bristol during the 40's. However I believe that my G/G/great grandfather was called Ernest Leaman
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][/color]and he was married to L. Bennet and they possibly lived in Torquay. I have seen pictures of Ernest with his Standard Poodle in Torquay, and my grandfather before he died mentioned that his father lived near Torquay or in the surrounding area. (I didnt pay attention then.. ah the folly of youth!) I also have several photos of him on the seafront in his Sunday best..
From here on in its a bit hazy but I think that my G/G/F was one of three children including Fred Leaman & Albert Leaman .
So you say.. lots of names.. However.. I don't have any dates, just a very faded piece of wallpaper with these names written on. So please please help me.. where do I go from here?
Where do I start? Help would be really appreciated...heck a mere hint would be really appreciated!
Thought you might like to see a pictre of Great Great Grandfather Ernest on His Hawker Motorcycle. The picture was taken in Eastville in Bristol circa 1926. He had just won a time trail race. The small lad next to him is I think my Grandfather.. This picture is the reason I have started wondering about my relatives.
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Hi Welcome to Rootschat! :D
Where to start? Always start with what you know for certain and try to find any certificates that will help you get further back, look (or ask us for lookups) in birth marriage & death and census records - you can find lots of good advice in topics in this beginners section on how to go about this.
To get you started, there's a death registration for Ivor Clifford Leaman, June 1999 reg no.B12 entry no.132 district S.Glos - aged 89 date of birth 2 Jun 1910
Will have a look around the census etc for you - great pic by the way!
Barbara
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could this be them in 1901
1901. RG13/2381/16/24.
john.f.leaman age 42. b. bristol,st stephens,gloucestershire. occ. warehouseman. head.
madeline.e.leaman age 42. b. bristol,st.pauls,gloucestershire. wife.
ernest.h.leaman age 20. b. bristol,st.philips,gloucestershire. cigarette machinist. son.
albert.c.leaman age 19. b. bristol,clifton,gloucestershire. occ. ditto. son.
frederick.a.leaman age 17. b. bristol,clifton,gloucestershire. occ. tramcar conductor. son.
living at 61,regent street,bristol,gloucestershire.
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if this is them then here is possibly ernests birth
name. ernest henry leaman
y.o.r. 1880
qtr. apr/may/jun.
dist. barton regis.
county. gloucestershire.
vol. 6a.
page. 153.
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here is his marriage
ernest henry leaman
y.o.r. 1903
qtr. jul/aug/sep.
dist. bristol.
county. avon, gloucestershire
vol. 6a.
page. 259.
also on the same page lily bennett
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I am.. well.. In awe.. Yes, both make sense.. I recall my grandfather saying that the family worked for Wills Tobacco in Bristol but he didn't say who..
Wow. It looks like I'm in the right place to get the ball rolling.. Do you know *looks embarassed* how long it's taken me to find anything at all?
Thank you for such quick help.. I am amazed! I really do have to log off and yet... aaaaargh....
Ok.. I must go.. but THANK YOU ALL... I will be back!!
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1891 census RG12/1981 fol.127 p.33
2 Charleton St, Bristol
LEMAN
John F head mar 32 Warehouseman
Madaline E wife mar 32 Dress Stay Maker
Earnest H. son 10
Albert C. " 9
Frederick A. " 7
Percival Y(?) " 3
all born Bristol
Marriage for John Frederick Leaman to Madeline Elvina Curnow is June Quarter 1879 Bristol 6a 75
Birth for John Frederick Leaman March Qu 1859 Bristol 6a 18
you can find them (under Leeman) on the 1881 census yourself free on either www.familysearch.org or on www.ancestry.co.uk - John F was a Grocer's porter
Births marriages and deaths can be found free on freebmd.rootsweb.com
Barbara
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birth
ivor.c.leaman
y.o.r. 1910
qtr. jul/aug/sep.
dist. bristol.
county.avon,gloucestershire.
vol. 6a.
page. 106.
birth.
grace lilian leaman
y.o.r. 1907
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. bristol.
county. avon,gloucestershire.
vol. 6a.
page. 205.
not sure about the next one.
there is a vera leaman born in devon in 1904 so maybe ernest-lily moved down to devon soon after the marriage and moved back to bristol after a couple of years.
anyway here is the entry for vera
vera leaman
y.o.r. 1904
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. newton abbot
county. devon.
vol. 5b.
page. 127.
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birth.
percival francis leaman
y.o.r. 1888
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. bristol.
county. avon,gloucestershire.
vol. 6a.
page. 26.
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This could be John in 1871 but you really need his birth cert to be sure of his parents:
1871 RG10/2534 fol.39 p.28
12 Pipe Lane, Bristol
John Miller head widr 66 Coach Maker Scotland
Mary Byrnes dau widow 24 Bristol
Willimina " grand.daughter 3 months "
Eliza Leaman boarder widow 39 Dressmaker "
John " " 13 Errand Boy Shoemaker Bristol
and here's the Devonshire connection, and complicated family, looks like Grace with daughters Mary & Eliza and their children, so maybe John's mother Eliza wasn't married! 1861 census:
1861 RG9/1716 fol.88 p.33
46 Princess St, Bristol
Grace Leaman widow W 66(?) Housekeeper Devonshire
Mary A. Byrnes dau mar 41 Mariners (wife?) Bristol (the word wife not there)
Eliza Leman dau unm 30 Dressmaker "
Henry J Byrnes son 13 Scholar "
William C " " 13 " "
Elizth J " dau 4 or 6? " "
Alfred C " son 2 "
John F. Leman son 2 "
Susan A Byrnes dau 4 months
Back tomorrow with 1851/1841 if no-one else finds them before then :)
Barbara
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Jack
Bet you're glad you asked now ;D ;D ;D
If you want to get any certificates to back any of this wonderful info up,you can do so online at www.gro.co.uk they cost £7 each and you will need the ref numbers that everyone has kindly provided below.
Here is a great website that explains what info the certs will give you
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
All the best
Carol
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Hi Jack
Here's 1851 census - great, the whole family, you are lucky!!:
HO107/1948 fol.116 p.22
46 Princess St, Bristol
John Leaman head m 64 Mariner Devon Ashburton
Grace " wife m 55 " Branton
Susan E " dau u 23 Milliner Bristol
Eliza " " u 20 " "
Edward H " son u 15 Block Maker "
Mary A Byrnes dau m 31 Master Mariners Wife "
Sarah I Moore dau m 25 " " " "
William T Byrnes son.in.law m 34? Mariners Mate Calcutta East Indies
Henry J " grandson 5 Scholar Bristol St.Stephens
William " " " 3 " " "
James Moore son.in.law m 33? Master Mariner Ireland Curlingfare?
John Watts lodger unm 23 Sail Maker Bristol
and 1841 - no relationships given in this one and adult ages usually rounded down to nearest 5 yrs.
1841 HO107/375/4 fol.33 p.14
Prince St, Bristol, Gloucestershire
LEAMAN
John 50 Seaman
Grace 40
Mary Ann 20
Sarah 15
Susan 13
Eliza 11
William 8
Edward 5
Oddly enough it says they were all born in the county
This is as far back as I can go with the census
Mary Ann Leaman married William Timothy Byrnes
Sept Quarter 1842 Bristol 11/192
It will no doubt take you a while to digest, so come back to us with any further questions, and enjoy the research
:D
Barbara
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Wanted to log in and say a big thank you to ECNAPS, WOZZLE & CAROL. I sat here last night not knowing where to begin and now have enough stuff to keep my free time busy for quite a while.
I thought that finding family was going to be easy but after heaven know many hours last night finding nothing you and this site are an oasis..
Thank you so much for the push start, and thank you for the hints and advice on where to continue the search. I have bookmarked this site and will be back, and I plan to return the help if at all possible.
Thanks everyone.
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Hi all. Yet another Newbie joining the ranks of the inquisitive. Whoever thought up the TV programme 'Who do you think you are?' has got a lot to answer for!
Where to start? Ok.. stuff I think I know..
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Where to start? Seems nobody has told you the best place, but your head must be spinning with all the data you have!
I suggest you take it easy and have a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/org/ where yo will find lots of help, guidance and links. The site can tell you more than any one person could.
If you are planning to have a family tree programme, a good one to start with is called PAF5 and is available free from the LDS via their site at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp It does not have all the facilities found on a commercially available prog. but so what!?.
Regards
Chas
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Is it just me?
Methinks this is getting addictive.. I'm now gettng 'funny looks' from the 'sig other' in my life because I'm talking dates and census results and birth certificates. So many relatives are springing to life and events that only lived in history books are starting to spring into life..
I'm thankful that I have read your boards and got hints and ideas.. and you are right.. It can be harder than it looks on TV. Maybe someone needs to do a TV programme for "Behind the scenes" of 'that' programme.. Trouble is I don't think they can even start to show what you have to do to get anywhere..
So.. thanks again to everyone for starting me off... Do you have a complaints forum for when the sig other wants to vent? lol.. Keep well and be lucky. :)