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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: heathers on Sunday 07 October 07 13:51 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information about David Dickson and Susannah Johnstone of Mouswald.
I am researching their son Jacob, born 1756
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Hi Heather
Welcome to Rootschat :)
it looks as if the Mouswald records don't go very far back.
The IGI does have the following daughter's recorded for them at Mouswald:
Dec 1760 Jean
Dec 1762 Janet
Aug 1774 Mary
Sep 1777 Susannah
Scotlands People would probably have the sons as well.
Regards
Gadget
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SP are showing the following Johnstone(variations) baptisms in Mouswald, 1715-1750 - all to William Johnston and Jean Gray:
1740 Margaret
1743 James
1745 Robert
1748 Ann
These might possibly be parents of your Susannah - do any of the names carry through?
Gadget
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Thanks. We visited Dumfries RO a couple of years ago and found David & Susannahs children, but did not have time to do the Johnstone's. Robert is a name that carries down.
Jacob moved across the Solway to Cumberland, and the Mouswald PR had a record of his first childs baptism in Cumberland.
Ive not been able to find anything relating to David & Susannah being married, or of David's baptism; although we have found their grave at Mouswald.
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Just got these from SP, so will add them:
1750-1780 Mouswald bpt. to David and Susannah:
Aug 1754 John
Aug 1756 Jacob
Dec 1760 Jean
Dec 1762 Janet
Jan 1765 Oswald
Aug 1767 Abraham
Aug 1769 Joseph
Mar 1772 Adam
Aug 1774 Mary
Sep 1777 Susannah
Nov 1778 James
It would seem that they either married (maybe by declaration) around 1754 -ish or married outwith Mouswald. The names suggest a possible non-conformist faith :-\
Gadget
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Jacob's first child was John, and he was baptised by a Presbyterian minister in Cumberland, but I understand that that would mean Church of Scotland. Apart from that Jacob married and had children baptised CofE.
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Yes the C Of S was/is Presbyterian. There seem to be a lot of biblical names. I haven't come across so many in a D & G family before :-\
Gadget
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Hi,
I'm descended from one of the Dickson families of Mouswald and have done a bit on most of them as I try to find a connection between my family and the others. Anyway from my research as you probably already know, David was born abt. 1732 and Susannah c 1733. He died 14 Nov 1815 at Glebe Park as did Susannah on 9 Jul 1809. I believe Jacob was married to Jean Bell, Abraham possibly married Sarah Boys / Boyes in Torthorwald on 16 Jun 1793. They had John, 2 x James, Susah and Agnes between 1796 and 1804. Both James were dead by the end of 1800.
I think that Janet married James Richardson and had Ann Richardson b 18 Feb 1800 in Dornock & d 18 Apr 1814 at Glebe Park. I also believe Oswald was married or had 'thing' twice but thats just supposition by me. Firstly to Jean Grahame, they had Susannah b Sep 1788 in Mouswald. He then married Mary Dinwoodie and had Mary 1792-1868 and William Dinwoodie Dickson b 24 Mar 1794
then David 11 Apr 1796, Jean 15 Jul 1798, Betty 9 Sep 1800 and Margaret 15 Nov 1803. Mary was married to William Jardine in May 1812 in Mouswald and died in Dalbeattie.
One reason for my look into this family is that my GGG Grandfather Thomas Dickson had a Jacob, David, John, James, Jean, Janet & Mary in his own family although as far I can tell he didn't have a brother Jacob or David. Thomas's parents were Richard and Elspeth Dickson. My Dicksons come from the Village of Mouswald as well as from Woodside closer to the 'border' with Torthorwald parish.
Would love to find out anything you have on your David's Dicksons and happy to be corrected on any of my suggested lines.
Cheers
Mick Dickson
QLD Australia
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One more thing, its possible, due to the Cumbria connection that David was a brother or relative of Rev. Jacob Dickson of Mouswald. Your thoughts?
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Jacob Dickson (son of David) married Jean / Jane Bell on 6 Jun 1786 at Holme Cultram. Jane died at Torpenhow in Oct 1787.
They had a son John, bp at Blenerhasset, CUL, on 21 Oct 1787. (3 days before his mother was buried)
Jacob then married Mary Elliott at Torpenhow on 17 Nov 1788, and they had James 1790; Jacob 1792, Robert 1794, David 1796, Joseph 1799 & William 1802; all bp Aspatria. By this time the name was Dixon
Jacob was a Miller and died at Wythop, CUL in 1835.
The only way we were able to connect Jacob to the Mouswald family, was by a potential entry on the IGI, which led to a visit to Dumfries RO. The entry gave no confirmation that it was the correct Jacob; but an entry 30years later about John son of Jacob and the places and wife mentioned did confirm the theory.
We also wondered about the relationship between Jacob Dickson (the clergyman) and 'our Dickson/ Dixon' family. The entry relating to John, son of Jacob was the only one of its kind which made us wonder if it was because he was related.
The name Jacob carried on through different branches of the family, but David did not.
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Is there any clue as to the occupation of David Dixon, or any of his other offspring ?
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Does anyone have any information about their son William - bp in 1757. Did he stay in Scotland or did he (as we suspect) move to Cumberland. ?
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mary dickson is my 5x grandmother she had a lot of children with george kerr my francis being one of them francis is lying in the next grave to his granny sussanah and grandfather david in mouswald adam dickson married a janet maxwell and had at least 4 children in kirkbean one of which was named susan you will find her working as a servant in a house in moffat 1861 census beside jessie harkness whose mother susan kerr is francis sister i have susan and jessies death certs csc
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children for oswald dickson and jean grahame sussanah 28 09 1788 and oswald dickson and mary dinwoodie betty 14 09 1800 david 17 04 1796 jean 15 07 1798 mary 18 02 1792 margaret 20 11 1803 william dinwoodie 27 03 1794 abraham dickson in torthorwad agnes dobie 07 05 1804 james 01 04 1798 james 07 12 1800 sushan 13 12 1801 john 27 03 1796 the 2 james are both buried torthorwald i also have a john father jacob dickson mother jean bell 21 10 1787 in mouswald csc
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another dickson in mouswald later on jacob dickson and nicholas templeton agnes mcclinner born mouswald 25 10 1852 and david born caerlaverick 28 04 1851 there is also an abraham dickson and ann in mouswald had janet 23 04 1800 and margaret 25 05 1798 a lot of dicksons have named their child different spellings of susan she has been a well respected wife and mother her fathers name is possibly robert she may have come from kirkpatrick juxta csc
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david dickson may have been a tenant farmer children for adan dickson and janet maxwell david 20 03 1808 mary and susan 25 12 1810 william 21 01 1821 all kirkbean might be more children csc
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Re: Jacob Dickson and Nicholas Templeton
There are possibly 3 more children, James born 20 Jan 1855 Mouswald, another David in 1857 who died 1 Dec 1857 in Lockerbie and George born 1859 and died 20 May 1862 Dumfries.
Jacob was the son of David Dickson (1768-1829) and Janet Beattie (1779-1876), David in turn was the son of John Jacob Dickson (c1734-1798) and Jean Johnston (c1738-1777). In turn, John Jacob was the son of John Dickson (c1703-1760) and Mary Kent (c1702-1755). John was the son of Robert Dickson (c1663-1726).
Jacob was an apprentice to John Fell, Joiner, at Woodside in the 1841 census. My 2G Grandfather, also named Jacob, was born in 1823 as well and lived at Woodside in 1841, where my family were blacksmiths. John fell was married to an aunt of my Jacob.
I haven't worked out where the Abraham Dickson mentioned comes from yet as I have no info on a marriage.
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i wonder if 2 dickson brothers were married to johnstones my susannahs name was johnstone i dont have marriages for any of them abrahams occupation was said to be cooper on sushans birth i am only supposing he is the same family because of her name i have also found another susan in caerlaverock where the john in the family is described as a fisherman there were a lot of fishermen there at that time csc
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in mouswald churchyard here lies john gouldie in mouswald died 26th december 1737 aged 39 years to whose memory this stone is erected by thomas gouldie his son in memory of john hill son of susanna dickson in glebepark died 21st may 1811 aged 2 years does anyone know what the connection between gouldies and dicksons were csc
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death dumfries 21st july 1890 susan dickson single 72 years st michaels st dumfries adam dickson farm servant dec. janet dickson m/s maxwell dec. probably old age not certified -----edgar ---- friend royal bank dumfries csc
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david dickson seniors father is possibly named adam csc
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a lot of the dickson children are born at kirkfield mouswald they must have moved to glebe park later david and sussanah are lying right next to their grandson francis kerr son of daughter mary i wonder if any more of their children or grandchldren are nearby csc
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abraham dickson and sara boys rebuked for their clandestine marriage torthorwald csc
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did david dickson have a brother married to a jean johnstone also in mouswald adam dickson son of david is buried kirkbean with his family abraham was in crossmichael in 1851 his son john is there as well they are under the name dixon soushan is with her father abraham in 1841 there is also a william mcdougall grandson i think her son he ends up in liverpool in 1901this family is difficult to track down csc
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does anyone know who the parents of George Kerr(Mary Dicksons husband) were? regards stoop.
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The only likely candidate to date is George Kerr, elder much respected who died of a fever aged 65 yrs at Under Butterthwat on May11 1812 Dalton in the OPR deaths and burials
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I should add that he is the only likely candidate for Mary Dickson,s husband, we have been unable to find any parents for George
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mary dicksons birthis 1774 so we are looking for a george born between 1760--1780 their first child we can find is robert henderson born 1801 whitecroft christeen
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i have noticed on the back of david dicksons gravestone a raised symbol that looks like a funny shaped head with eyes and a bone underneath would anyone know what this is csc
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we think sussanah dickson/johnstones father might be robert johnstone would anyone know csc
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Just thought you would like to know that the symbols on the back of the headstone are probably a skull with a bone underneath. The bone usually is a femur but sometimes is just a representation of a bone, such as a cartoonist draws. Some are crossed like a Jolly Roger or located either side of the skull. Sometimes only one is shown. The skull itself can be in many forms - side on, full on or at any odd angle. Some has only eyes with no nose, some have no bottom jaw or some have a full set of two rows of teeth. The skull and bone represent the 'death's head' and is one of the oldest symbols of death. On some stones there are carved the same number of skulls for the people commemorated.
The skull and bone appear to be what you have on the reverse side of the gravestone. Hope this helps.
Morag
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yes it looks like a skull with eyes and 1 bone underneath i have had some jokes about having a pirate for an ancestor you have described what it looks like i had not seen one before thanks