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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 02 October 07 10:39 BST (UK)
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Hi to Sussex Researchers
I have just resived a donation of transcripts of the Heathfield Parish Registers as follows
Register Transcripts (All mixed together) 1582 - 1613
Baptisms 1613 - 1753
Marriages 1612 - 1753
Burials 1612 - 1753
With this donation came the following introductory Information
"The enclosed is a transcript of the Heathfield parish register with corrections of additions when needed from the bishops transcripts. When there was a discrepancy between the parish register and bishops transcripts I used the parish register and did not necessarily note that there was a discrepancy. If I felt it was possibly important, I noted the difference in parenthesis after the entry. I then reviewed both to hopefully correct any mistakes I had made.
Some of the parish register entries were unreadable because of damage. Therefore, especially in the early years, there are some entries missing. The bishops transcripts did not start early enough to fill in the deficiencies
The numbers were very difficult to tell apart at times, for example, the numbers 1 and 2 are almost indistinguishable. This would be important for example if a child was born the 17 May and buried the 18 May but the first number looked like 27 May and then an entry buried the 18 May, then it would seem like entries for two different children.
It is very important to know that many of the entries were out of order. They were apparently entered from slips of paper or notes kept by the parish priests and entered at a later date into the register as they were found. Occasionally there was a note from the priest that the entry should have been made before the previous entry in the book. Also for several years the priest did not keep entries from time to time so there are gaps in the record. Sometimes the gaps were bridged by the bishops transcripts but these included far too few entries at times compared with other years in the parish. Therefore I believe that the priest just tried to remember or collect what notes he could find to send in the record called the bishops transcripts. Therefore on those years the record is definitely incomplete. Also on some of the years that only a bishops transcripts were available, the entries were for only half of the year that was being recorded, for example in the year 1707. There was neither parish register or bishops transcript for the year 1733"
I will be happy to check them for your early Heathfield Ancestors
Chris in 1066
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Hello Chris, I wonder if you could have a look and see if there are any Napp or Nailards in the baptisms.
In particular a Samuel Napp married at Heathfield to Elizabeth Hards in 1775 so working on the assumtion that he was 21ish would give him a birth year c1754 - I think I might just miss out
Also a Thomas Nailard he married Heathfield 1771 to Susanna Eastwood so a birth year of c1750 ?
If you can spot either surname any earlier it would be a bonus.
Many thanks
Suey
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Hi Suey
Have just done an electronic search of all 3 registers
Unfortunately the names Napp or Nailard do not appear in any of them
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Thanks for looking Chris.
I have my suspicions that both family's came into Heathfield from another Parish as they are few and far beween before 1800.
Thanks again
Suey
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Hi Chris,
I wonder if it will be possible to look for any information on the Punnetts from Punnetts Town (near Heathfield) if this is not too big an ask.
Any info. would be greatfully receievd rather than concentrating on one Punnett in particular.
The Punnetts are my Mums maternal line.
Cheers
Toni
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Hi Toni
Did an electronic search of the Registers with the following results:-
Married 11 Sep 1738 James Punnet and Ann Cooper by banns
Bapt 25 Jan 1739 James the son of James Punnet by Ann his wife
Bapt 15 Mch 1740 Ann the daughter of James Punnet by Ann his wife
Bapt 14 Aug 1743 William the son of James Punnet by Ann his wife
Bapt 1 July 1744 Mary the daughter of James Punnet by Ann his wife
Bapt 29 Dec 1745 Hannah the daughter of James Punnet by Ann his wife
Buried 9 June 1741 Ann the daughter of James Punnet
Buried 10 Jan 1746 Ann the wife of James Punnet
Hope they will be of use to you
Chris in 1066
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Many thanks Chris just by looking at the list I can see that they do indeed match my family.
best wishes
Toni
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Hi Chris
Its very kind of you to offer - please could you look up a couple of names for me -
Marriage and birth of a John Holmes father of Richard Holmes born 1755
Marriage and birth of a Thomas Mascal father of Jonadab Mascal born c1737 any info greatly received
My mum was born in Punnetts Town and all her family were from Heathfield and Burwash.
Best regards
Sue
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Sue
It seems that Holmes is a very popular surname in Heathfield and am finding lots of them
Will post them in a wee while when I have them sorted
Chris in 1066
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Hi Sue
This is what I have found todate in the Heathfield Registers
Baptisms 1582 - 1753
Bapt 14 Sep 1684 Richard the son of John Holmes by Margaret his wife
Bapt 1 May 1687 Mary the daughter of John Holmes by Margaret his wife
Bapt 19 Feb 1695 Sarah the daughter of John Holmes by Mary his wife
Bapt 13 June 1698 Elizabeth the daughter of John Holmes by Ann his wife
Bapt 4 Apr 1699 John the son of John Holmes the younger by Mary (Bishops Transcripts has 5 Apr)
Bapt 16 Sep 1699 Sarah the daughter of John Holmes the elder by Ann his wife
Bapt 6 Feb 1701 Jane the daughter of Mary Holmes by John Holmes the youger
Bapt 4 Mch 1706 John the son of John Holmes junior by Mary his wife (from BT only)
Bapt 2 Dec 1716 William the illegitimate son of Ann Holmes
Bapt 7 Mch 1718 Elizabeth the illegitimate child of Anne Holmes
Bapt 17 Mch 1750 Elizabeth the daughter of John Holmes by Elizabeth his wife
Bapt 21 Oct 1753 Sarah the daughter of John Holmes by Sarah his wife
Hope this helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Sue
Here is the electronic search of the Burial Register for Heathfield.
Burials 1582 - 1753
Buried 16 Mch 1696 the wife of John Holmes
Buried 28 Jan 1698 Elizabeth the daughter of John Holmes by Ann his wife (from BT's)
Buried 22 Feb 1699 Sarah the daughter of John Holmes the elder by Ann his wife
Buried 3 Feb 1704 Ann the wife of John Holmes senior
Buried 17 May 1719 John Holmes the younger
Buried 24 Feb 1722 Elizabeth Holmes an infant
Buried 3 Oct 1724 Mary the wife of John Holmes
Buried 14 Oct 1728 Sarah Holmes
Buried 23 Apr 1730 Richard Holmes
Buried 4 Nov 1730 John Holmes senior
Buried 20 Feb 1731 Elizabeth Holmes widow
Buried 7 Dec 1739 John Holmes
Buried 23 Oct 1747 Ann the wife of John Holms
That all the burials - just the marriages to do now
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Sue
Here is the electronic search of the Burial Register for Heathfield.
Marriages 1582 - 1753
Married 27 Nov 1694 Thomas Harmor and Margaret Holms
Married 12 Nov 1695 John Holmes and Mary Sevenock
Married 17 Aug 1697 John Holmes and Ann Wallet
Married 6 Jan 1746 John Holmes and Ann Osborn widow by banns
Married 26 June 1750 John Holmes and Elizabeth Collins widow by banns
Not so many of these
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
I've got just a small one to ask you Chris and living in Sussex myself won't take up too much of your time but I've got one that has been puzzling me for sometime and I haven't been to Lewes for ages!
I have a Thomas Parks born 1655 Heathfield, I've not been able to find his baptism or death. I do know he married Grace Mascall in 1680 in Dallington. She was allegedly born 1659 in heathfield but again no baptism or death.
The amongst many sons a John baptised 3 May 1687. He at some point married a Mary supposedly born 1690 Heathfield but I have been unable to find the marriage on the SMI. Again no deaths for either of these two.
I wonder if you are able to fill in any of those details. I would be grateful for your help and if you ever need a photo taken in Hailsham, I promise to be brave and not hide behind a hedge ;) ;) ;D ;D
Kerry :)
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Hi Sue
Now for the second part of your request - The MASCAL family
Marriages 1582 - 1753
Married 20 Jan 1624 Richard Mascall and Anne Prior
Married 18 June 1677 John Willard and Mary Mascall
Married 13 May 1685 John Fuller and Mary Mascall
Married 13 Oct 1687 John Sevenock and Ann Mascall
Married 2 Feb 1692 Joseph Sellen and Mary Mascall
Married 26 Nov 1694 Robert Gyles and Barb Mascall
Married 21 Apr 1696 Richard Mascall and Elizabeth Waters
Married 11 June 1718 Thomas Geare and Mary Mascall both sojourners in this parish
Married 11 Feb 1728 John Campany and Bridget Mascal both of the same parish by license
Chris in 1066
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KerryB
How does this grab you
Bapt 28 Apr 1664 Grace the daughter of Richard Mascall
Chris in 1066
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KerryB
Found these in the Heathfield Registers
Buried 26?Oct 1680 Thomas Parks the son of Thomas Parks
Buried 30 Aug 1699 Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Buried 8 Feb 1728 John Parks
Buried 17 Nov 1742 Elizabeth the wife of Thomas Parks
Are they of any use to you
Chris in 1066
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Kerry
Bapt 23 Apr 1643 Thomas the son of Josias Parks
Bapt 23 Oct 1680 Thomas the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 16 May 1682 Richard the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 28 May 1684 Mary the daughter of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife (BT says 26 May)
Bapt 3 May 1686 John the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 27 June 1688 Thomas the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 25 Feb 1689 William the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 25 June 1693 Barbarah the daughter of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
Bapt 27 Feb 1695 Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Parks by Grace his
wife
Bapt 30 Dec 1696 Mary the daugher of John Parks of Waldron by Elizabeth his wife
Bapt 23 July 1699 Samson the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
I also found this - but it is to early
Married 26 Dec 1672 John Parkes and Mary Collins - but it is the only one!!
Do you think this is the first of their children
Bapt 19 Feb 1712 Richard the son of John Parks by Mary his wife (in BT only) giving a marriage of about c.1710
Anyway, the above is something to get your teeth into
I was surprised by the number of twins born into other members of the Parkes families
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Sue
Continuing with your Mascalls - here are the burials
Burials 1582 - 1753
Buried 6 Apr 1668 Thomas Mascall
Buried 1670 Margaret Mascall
Buried 1 Sep 1675 old widow Mascall
Buried 9 May 1683 Susan the wife of John Mascall
Buried 27 Dec 1684 Richard Mascall a housekeeper
Buried 7 May 1700 John Mascall
Buried 8 July 1703 Ann the daughter of Joseph Mascall (BT has by Mary his wife)
Buried 10 Oct 1703 Joseph Mascall senior
Buried 13 July 1722 Ann the daughter of Richard and Elizabeth Mascall
Buried 27 Mch 1735 Joseph Mascall
Buried 11 Mch 1744 Benjamin Mascall
Buried 12 Mch 1748 Mary Mascall
That just leaves the Mascall Baptisms, and I know there is a lot of them - so will do then tomorrow if you dont mind
Will give you something to look forward to
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thank you very much, that is something to get my teeth into and very helpful.
According to the information I was given John and Mary's first son was Richard, bapt 1712 so perhaps they married elsewhere. A nice mystery ;D
Both Thomas and then John had stacks of children, must have been the good clean air! Those baptisms and deaths will fit in.
Funnily enough my whole family tree seems to have loads of sets of twins, perhaps thats down to the Sussex air too ;D ;D ;D
Thanks again
Kerry
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Hi again Sue
Continuing with your Mascalls - here are the baptisma
Baptisms 1582 - 1753
Bapt 9 Sep 1627 Richard Mascall son of Richard Mascall
Bapt 25 May 1629 John Mascall son of Richard Mascall
Bapt 1 June 1662 Joseph the son of Joseph Mascall
Bapt 28 Apr 1664 Grace the daughter of Richard Mascall
Bapt 18 Feb 1664 Anne the daughter of Joseph Mascall
Bapt April 1666 Thomas the son of Joseph Mascall
Bapt 12 Feb 1666 Richard the son of Richard Mascall
Bapt 9 Oct 1667 John and Mary the twin children of Joseph Mascall
Bapt 17 Aug 1669 Anne the daughter of Richard Mascall (BT says by Mary his wife)
Bapt 3 Oct 1669 Margaret the daughter of Joseph Mascall (BT says by Joan his wife
Bapt 5 Nov 1670 Richard the son of Joseph Mascall by Anne his wife
Bapt 25 Mch 1672 Thomas the son of Joseph Mascall by Anne his wife
Bapt 16 Apr 1672 Barbara the daughter of Richard Mascall by Mary his wife
Bapt 2 Feb 1689 Joseph the son of John Mascall by his wife Mary
Bapt 15 Dec 1691 Sarah the daughter of Joseph Mascall by Mary his wife
Bapt 27 May 1693 Ann the daughter of Joseph Mascall by Mary his wife
Bapt 30 Dec 1695 Mary the daughter of Joseph Mascall by Mary his wife
Bapt 30 Apr 1697 Ann the daughter of Richard Mascall by Elizabeth his wife
Bapt 26 Mar 1697 Elizabeth the daughter of Joseph Mascall the younger (BT says by Mary his wife
Bapt 12 Dec 1698 Richard the son of Richard Mascall (BT says by Elizabeth his wife)
Bapt 14 May 1802 Mary the daughter of Thomas Mascal and Ann the daughter of the same man (twins) (BT says by Elizabeth his wife)
Bapt 11 May 1703 John the son of Richard and Elizabeth Mascall
Bapt 15 Nov 1703 Bridget the daughter of Joseph and Mary Mascall
Bapt 13 Mch 1705 Thomas the son of Richard Mascall by Elizabeth his wife
Bapt 4 Sep 1708 Sara the daughter of Richard Mascal by Elizabeth his wife (in BT only)
Bapt 5 Feb 1715 Benjamin the son of Richard and Elizabeth Mascall
Bapt 15 Sep 1724 Elizabeth the daughter of Joseph and Susanna Mascall
Bapt 5 June 1726 Richard the son of Joseph Mascall and Susannah his wife
Afraid I have to go and do a few errands now - will complete the list later today
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
I'm so sorry to have given you this large task - thanks so much - I'm going to print it off and
try and sort it out over the week-end.
I am also in Sussex and did go to Lewes a couple of weeks ago for the first time - but need to find time and go again.
I have been to Queens Hall in Cuckfield is it you that dose the talk - if so you are great.
Thanks once again.
Best regards
Sue
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Hi Sue
Wow, you sat and listened to one of my talks at Cuckfield!!
Now for the bad news, they have asked me to go again next year and the topic is "Whats on a Gravestone" - apparently there is a lot more information other than the inscription.
I think I will enjoy listening to that one (Joke)
Seriously though, glad to be of help to you and it keeps me active and the old grey matter ticking over now that I have retired.
Best of luck this weekend, hope you can tie some of them in to your tree
Chris in 1066
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Sue
I've just realised you've got Mascalls too! Some of those baptisms look useful for me too. Thanks Chris.
Hopefully I will be able to get along to Cuckfield next year, subject sounds interesting and I shall look forward to it.
Kerry
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Hi Chris
Do you know the date you will be in Cuckfield - I will pencil it in.
Talking of gravestones - I went to Heathfield Church last month to find my gr.grandparents gravestone - I have seen it before many years ago - but I could not find it - its seams to dispeared also there should a Obelisk for a Richard (Bodle) Holmes he lived to 105 could not find that - I need Sherlock Holmes to help me.
Thanks for your help
Best regards
Sue
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Sue
The last time I went to Heathfield Church I noticed they have moved a lot of old gravestones around the edge. But that was a couple of years ago and perhaps they have moved them out now :-\
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Yes - my mum was a Maskell from Punnetts Town and her gr.grandmother was a Punnett which we believe that Punnetts Town was named after the family name - I think we share some surnames like Lewry and Harmers - do you have a Jonadab Mascal born 1737 in your tree?
Thanks again Chris for the info on the Mascals.
Best regards
Sue
Ps. I just seen your new message - that makes me feel really sad - unfortunately Heathfield Church is not like Cuckfield Churchyard which is beautiful and Dick keeps it looking great.
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Hi Sue
Earlier you wrote:
Do you know the date you will be in Cuckfield - I will pencil it in.
Talking of gravestones - I went to Heathfield Church last month to find my gr.grandparents gravestone - I have seen it before many years ago - but I could not find it - its seams to dispeared also there should a Obelisk for a Richard (Bodle) Holmes he lived to 105 could not find that - I need Sherlock Holmes to help me.
It is usually in March - I think the next one will be on 22nd March 2008 (if not, it will be on the 29th)
Sillgen will give you the exact date as she is part of the organising committee and usually responsible for persuading me to give a talk
Unfortunately more and more memorials are being moved from graves - reasons usually given are 'Health & Safety' but more often than not is makes it easier to cut the grass if they are removed. I personally think it is criminal that they are allowed to do that.
Chris in 1066
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Hi Sue
Continuation of your Mascall Baptisms
Bapt 5 June 1726 Richard the son of Joseph Mascall and Susannah his wife
Bapt 24 Aug 1728 John the illegitimate child of Bridget Mascal
Bapt 16 June 1730 Mary the daughter of Joseph and Susanna Mascall
Bapt 15 Nov 1732 Susannah the daughter of Joseph Mascal
Bapt 27 Jan 1739 John the son of John Mascall by Katherine his wife
Bapt 7 Oct 1744 Thomas the son of John Mascall by Katherine his wife
Bapt 17 Sep 1749 Catherine the daughter of Thomas Mascal by Catherine his wife
That completes the list.
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for all the info - I will sit back with a nice glass of wine and try and sort out all the info.
Thanks once again.
Best regards
Sue
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Hi Sue
Please let me know how you get on with it all - that is if you are still sober of course
Would love to know if you can connect with any of them
Chris in 1066
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Hi Sue
Don't know whether you connect with the Richard Mascall found to be the father of Grace, Richard, Ann and Barbara as above?
If you do I have found his marriage to be at Hawkhurst, Kent on 24 June 1661 to Mary Carr, both of Mayfield.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for the info - I'm still trying to find the birth of Jonadab Mascal married Ann Gurr 21/4/1761 Dallington - I believe his father is Thomas Mascal?
Can anyone help me?
Chris has given some great info but I need to connect it all up.
Thanks
Sue
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You'd think with a name like Jonadab he'd be easy to find! I'll keep my eyes open for you.
Kerry
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Sue
I've found him ;D
Jonadab Mascall baptised 10 August 1737, parents Thomas and Catherine Mascall, baptised at Burwash, St Bartholomews.
I looked on www.familyhistoryonline.co.uk my favourite website.
Kerry ;D
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Looking at the baptisms above there should be a John and Katherine and also a Thomas and Katherine. Possible parents for Jonadab, maybe John and Thomas are same person. Thought I would find a marriage on the Sussex Marriage Index but nothing there. :-\
Any marriages of a Mascall with a Katherine around about 1720 - 1735 on the parish register Chris?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Have electronically checked the whole of the marriages 1612 - 1753 and there is not one Mascall marrying a Katherine at all
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Thanks for looking Chris, could well be another outside Sussex marriage as the Richard Mascall appears to be.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for the bapt dated of Thomas.
On Chris list of Mascal bapt the last one is 17/9/1749 Catherine the daughter of Thomas Mascal by Catherine his wife - I believe this is Jonadab sister.
But I cant find the marriage of Thomas and Katherine Mascal.
Thanks for your help
Best regards
Sue
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Hi Chris
I wonder if you would mind doing another search for me. I have been in contact with NZ contact re the Parks family and he pointed out to me that I had John Parks buried 1728 and his daughter Grace born 1731 ::) ::)
Would you be able to confirm the baptism of Grace Parks in April 1731.
Also can you check for another John baptised before 1686. Of course there is the possibility that Grace was baptised a few years after her birth but something doesn't quite add up!!
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Checked the Parish Registers agin with the follwing result
Bapt 20 Apr 1731 Grace the daughter of John and Mary Parke
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Buried 8 Feb 1828 John Parks
There is also the following
Bapt 16 Apr 1651 John the son of Joseph
Bapt 3 May 1686 John the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
I think those details are the same as were posted before
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Can i ask for another look up for Kemp & Luck in Heathfield one of my Punnetts married a Kemp and two Punnetts married Lucks, i do have names but just want to confirm details, sorry one more this time more paticular Harriott Collins b. circa 1817 Heathfield i think she had a sister Matilda, Harriott m. Samuel Punnett circa 1834 (in Hailsham area i am led to believe) with their first child b. 1835 i do not have many details for Harriotts family.
Cheers
Toni
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Hi Kerry
Checked the Parish Registers agin with the follwing result
Bapt 20 Apr 1731 Grace the daughter of John and Mary Parke
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Buried 8 Feb 1828 John Parks
There is also the following
Bapt 16 Apr 1651 John the son of Joseph
Bapt 3 May 1686 John the son of Thomas Parks by Grace his wife
I think those details are the same as were posted before
Chris in 1066
Thanks Chris
I hadn't seen the John son of Joseph before, so he could well be the culprit!
Thank you very much.
Kerry :)
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Toni
Sorry, the transcripts of the Heathfield Registers that I have are from 1582 up to 1753.
So sorry, i can not check for you
Chris in 1066
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No problem.
yes the look ups i asked for are after those dates
all the best
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Hi Toni
I'm going to Lewes on Monday - I will take a look at Harriott Collins c 1817.
She married Samuel Punnett 15/10/1834 Heathfield.
I am also looking up Elizabeth Luck my 4 x gr grandmother who married Samuel Punnett 11/10/1804 Heathfield.
Will let you know what I find out.
Best regards
Sue
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Thanks Sue, i do know quite a bit about the Lucks & The Kemps just wanted to confirm dates,
it was Harriot i know almost nothing about if you can have a look for her i would be grateful.
Samuel who m. Harriott is my 4 x great grandfather on my maternal side and Samuel who m. Elizabeth Luck is his father so my 5 x geat grandfather.
i have Elizabeth Luck down as the daughter of Thomas Luck & martha Dann bapt. 30.11.1783 (possibly this was her birth date) and they m. 11.10.1804, Elizabeth died 25.04.1863. Elizabeth was 6/6 children for Thomas & Martha.
Thomas Luck sister Mary Luck m. Samuel Punnett seniors father also Samuel 11.02.1784 Chiddingly
so Smauel b. 1785 step mother was also his wifes aunt.
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Hi Chris
Is it possible to do a electronic search on just a Christian name?
Best regards
Sue
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Hi Chris
Can I be a pain and for a check on these two births. My NZ contact on the Parks family has pointed out two baptisms I didn't have (which means the parents had two sets of twins within 3 years.) :o Must be something in the water!
George Parks born 1710 to John and Mary
Jacob Parks born 1720 to John and Mary
Very grateful and thankyou
Kerry :)
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Hi Sue
You asked "Is it possible to do a electronic search on just a Christian name?"
Yes. it is, but you are likely to get a lot of answers unless it is an unusual surname like Avis, etc.
It would also be helpful if you could make a suggestion as to what surname that christian name may be connected to
Chris in 1066
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Hi there Kerry
Not ben able to find your required baptisms of George in 1710 - the only entries coming up around that time (1708 - 1725) are as follows:
Bapt 19 Feb 1712 Richard the son of John Parks by Mary his wife (in BT's only)
Bapt 27 Feb 1715 William the son of John and Mary Parkes
Bapt 4 Dec 1720 Esau and Jacob the twins of John and Mary Parks
Bapt 24 Nov 1723 Richard and Barbara the twins of John and Mary Parks
Bapt 26 Dec 1725 Mary the daughter of John and Mary Parke
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
I'm dubious about the George 1710, I've also found it as a submitted record on IGI so will not add to tree - yet! I shall ask my contact where they got the record from.
Thanks for the confirmation of Jacob. :)
I can't believe the amount of twins in this family, Esau (twin) went on to have a set of his own!
Kerry
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Hi Chris
You kindly sent me bapt/marriages/burials on the Mascalls
I'm trying to find the marriage of the parents of Jonadab (Thomas and Katherine Mascall.)
But cant find it - so lets see if we can find the bapt of them!
We have a Thomas Mascal bapt 13/3/1705 in Heathfield
Under burwash we have
5/5/1735 James Mascal son of Thomas and Catherine Mascal
10/8/1737 Jonadab son of Thomas and Catherine Mascal
Under heathfield we have
17/9/1749 Catherine the daughter of Thomas and Catherine Mascal
27/1/1739 John the son of John and Katherine Mascal (not sure about this one)
So Thomas bapt 1705 could be the father - so could you look for a Katherine/Catherine
born between 1695 and 1720 if there are loads of them forget it.
Fingers crossed only a couple please.
Thanks so much
Sue
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Hi there Sue
This is what I found between 1695 and 1720
Bapt 11 Apr 1703 Katharin the daughter of Thomas and Mary Ackhurst
Bapt 8 Apr 1716 Catherine the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Prior
Bapt 28 July Catherine the daughter of Daniel French (BT said mother was Eizabeth)
Bapt 5 July 1719 Catherine the daughter of Thomas and Mary Baucomb
Hope one of them looks familiar
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks much for the Katherine I'm going to crossed check them against any marriages that I can find.
Could I possible ask you if you could run the Christian name of Jonadab.
Thanks again
Sue
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Hi Sue
Unfortunately the forename Jonadab does not appear in any of the transcipts of the Heathfield Registers that I have from 1582 - 1753
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for looking for Jonadab - it was just outside chance that that the child may have been named after a grandad.
Many thanks
Sue
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Hi Chris,
Please can you tell me if the surname of AVENDER appears on your Heathfield Register as My Gt Grandfathers army savings book gives Eastbourne as his birth place but on the 1881 census it gives Heathfield.I cannot find the surname AVENDER anywhere in UK previous to 1881
Many thanks
Kathy
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Hi tup1
Will have a look, but you mention dates of 1881 - the transcription copies that I have are from 1582 - 1753 so will more likely than not have the name AVENDER in them
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Kathy
well, the name AVENDER comes up many times - but always as part of the name LAVENDER; never on its own.
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Please can you tell me if the surname of AVENDER appears on your Heathfield Register as My Gt Grandfathers army savings book gives Eastbourne as his birth place but on the 1881 census it gives Heathfield.I cannot find the surname AVENDER anywhere in UK previous to 1881
Many thanks
Kathy
Hi what was his full name and year of birth? (hopefully after sept 1837 ) then we can look from him in the BMD, if it was prior to 1837 we can look on the IGI for his bapt.
Toni
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Hi Toni
His full name was James William Avender born c1855.On his Army Savings book he gave his parents names as George & Mary and 2 brothers named George & Gid Young?(not very clear) & 1 Sister called Mary.
Incidentally I came across another Avender in Grantham in the 1881 census for Grantham his name was James Enos Avender but he was a soldier and it gave no place of birth.whether they were brothers etc I don't know.Hope that you can help me
Many Thanks
Kathy
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Hello Kathy, can you give details or the reference for the 1881 census.
I'm wondering if your chap was an Avenden, which is a Sussex name, can't see a match just yet though ???
Maybe he was a Lavender and somehow the L got left off, maybe by accident or the family changed it for some reason?
Suey
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i can't see him 1850-1856, in fact i cant see any Avender/dar's at all
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Hi Suey,
The Ref No is RG11/3233. Folio55 Page no 16.
Any help would be appreciated
Kathy
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I see now - this is Ellen Avender (looks like Avinda) his wife...living with the Cook family. Will take another look in later census...
Got him in 91 will post details in a mo ;D
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1891 Census - Bexhill
3 Station Road North, Bexhill
James AVENDER head 36 gen lab b Hellingly
Ellen wife 27 b Lincolnshire
Ruth dau 6 b do
Hmm so although he says born Hellingly it's still in East Sussex :-\
Sorry my pc seems to be on a real gooo slooow tonight.
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Hi Suey,
I have a copy of 1891 census and in the 1901 census it states he is 44yrs old and born in Heathfield Sussex Parish Bexhill.It gets confusing when they give different birth places
Kathy
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I'm still looking for his birth ??? the best I can do in census for 1861 is a James with no surname aged 6 born Hellingly a nephew to the Burton family living in Hailsham
RG9/568/F37/p31
Still on a major go-slow, might have to nip off for bit :(
Suey
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Hi Suey,
I don't know if this info is helpfull but on James Avenders Army Bank account it says he joined the 82nd of Foot on the 20th Jan 1875 at Shorncliffe at the age of 18yrs and was born in or near Eastbourne Sussex and was a Brickmaker.
On my Grandmas 2nd Wedding Cert she gives James Avender deceased as her father and that he was a brickmaker.
Thanks hope your comp feels better after a rest
Kathy
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Hi Chris
I was wondering if you could please tell me what information you would be able to give me for STACE and COLLINS families in Heathfield. I am hoping you coud please do an electronic search and that there wouldn't be too many names thrown up but if this search is too wide please do let me know.
Best regards and THANKS very much for any help you can give.
Regards
Darren
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Hi Darren
These are the baptisms of both Stace and Collins in Heathfield between 1613 and 1753
I hope that you can identify with some of them - will do the burials and marraiges later this evening
Chris in 1066
1621 Bapt 24 Mch Margett Stace the daughter of Sampson Stace
1623 Bapt 27 July Robert the son of Samson Stace
1626 Bapt 27 Mch Sampson Stace son of Stephen Stace
1626 Bapt 26 Mch Sampson Stace the son of Sampson Stace (duplicate)
1635 Bapt 26 Mch Sampson Stace the son of Sampson Stace (duplicate)
1652 Bapt 11 Sep Sarah the daughter of Samson Stace
1654 Born 21 Aug a stillborn son of Samson Stace
1655 Born 28 Dec Katherne the daughter of Samson Stace
1661 Bapt 5 Jan Samuell the son of Samson Stace
1688 Bapt 17 Feb John the son of James Stace by Mary his wife
1696 Bapt 10 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of James Stace by Mary his wife
1723 Bapt 19 Apr Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas and Mary Stace
1725 Bapt 5 Nov Mary the daughter of Thomas and Mary Stace
1731 Bapt 22 Aug Sarah the daughter of Thomas and Mary Stace
1613 Bapt 6 Feb John the son of Steven Collins
1619 Bapt 25 Apr Judith the daughter of Thomas Collins
1624 Bapt 1 Nov Anne Collins the daughter of Stephen Collins
1628 Bapt 11 May Francis Collins daughter of Stephen Collins
1673 Bapt 5 Mch Henry the son of Thomas Collins Esq by Margaret his wife and was born 24 Feb
1702 Bapt 30 Aug Mary the daughter of Thomas Collins by Mary his wife
1728 Bapt 27 Oct Mary the daughter of John and Anne Collins
1735 Bapt 14 Nov Sarah the daughter of Francis Collins by Mary his wife
1738 Bapt 24 Dec Elizabeth the daughter of Richard Collins
1749 Bapt 30 Nov Susannah the daughter of Richard Collins by Mary his wife
1753 Bapt 4 Feb Elizabeth the daughter of Richard Collins by Mary his wife
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Darren
In the early registers, Births, Marraiges and Deaths are all in the same book.
This is the book from 1582 to 1612
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
1581 Bapt 29 Oct Hana Stace the daughter of Robert Stace
1583 Bapt 19 Jan Sara Stace the daughter of Robert Stace
1590 Buried 27 July Prissilla Stacee the daughter of Roberte Stacee
1591 Buried 22 Dec Amose Stacee the son of Robert Stacee
1591 Buried 22 Dec the wife of Robert Stacee
1591 Married 10 Jan Robert Stacee and Agnis Prier
1592 Bapt 31 Oct Alce Stacee the daughter of Robert Stacee
1592 Buried 8 Nov Alce Stace the daughter of Robert
1593 Buried 4 Oct Robert Stacee
1593 Married 27 Dec James Leafe or Lease and Agnis Stace widow
1609 Buried 2 Nov Agnis the daughter of George Collins
1611 Bapt 9 Feb Dorothy Collins daughter of Steven
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Hi Chris
Would you mind checking for marriage I can't trace on the SMI which ought to be Heathfield as children born there.
The father is Henry Monk/Munke
First child is John born 1647
Stephen born 1648
Mary born 1653
Of course none have mother's name on baptism records that I found on familyhistoryonline ::)
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
That is what I found
1646 Bapt 12 Apr John the son of Henry Monke
1648 Bapt 28 Jan Stephen the son of Henry Munke
1653 Bapt 11 Sep Mary the daughter of Henery Munke
Sorry, there was no marriage listed of Stephen and ? of the right date - but there was this
1626 Married 1 Feb Henry Monke and Mildred Dawe (only in BT)
1672 Married 23 Apr Stephen Monk and Mary French
Spotted these, possibly connected - but all in the burial register?
1626 Buried 5 June Lettis Monke wife of Henry Monke
1658 Buried 14 Aug Henery Moncke
1673 (?) 18 May Mary the daughter of Stephen Monk by Mary his wife (this entry crossed out)
1674 Bapt 6 Jan Sarah the daughter of Stephen Monk by Mary his wife (tis entry crossed out)
1682 Buried 7 Feb Stephen Monk…d?
1683 (these entries in BT only) Buried 31 Mch Barbara Monk the daughter of Stephen Monk
1704 Buried 28 Oct Sarah the daughter of Stephen Monk by Mary his wife
1721 Buried 21 Sep Stephen Monk senior
1725 Buried 23 Jan Mary Monk widow
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
Looks like there is some useful information in there!
Kerry :)
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Hi Chris (again)
please could you look up any Axell/ Excells for me - the name seemed to be interchangable
many thanks
Toni
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Hi Toni
Will get on with it now
Chris
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Hi again Toni
I have just electronically checked all the Birth, Marriage and Burial Transcripts that I have for Heathfield between 1581 and 1753 - but unfortunately the name Excell / Axell does not appear in them at all
I did the search on Ax or Ex in order to pick up any variants.
Sorry about that
Chris in 1066
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many thanks for checking Chris
it seems they were located firstly in Framfield then they moved to Rotherfield and later to Heathfield but one of the Axcell/Excells (male) did marry one of my Punnetts and i was hoping their children were b. Heathfield
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Hi Chris
Would you mind looking up the Harmers in Heathfield. I have them going back to the 1400s supposedly in Heathfield, records given to me by other people and I would like to check them and start filling in the details of those I have been given to see if it is even correct.
However if there are hundreds of them please tell me to get lost ;D ;D I'm not sure how you have your records and whether it is easy to pull out a surname like that and I really don't want to cause too much work but it is about time I started looking further into the Harmers.
Kerry :)
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Hi Chris
Please could you see if there is a Henry Parsons bapt and a Elizabeth Daws bapts
they married in Heathfield 4/2/1759.
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue9
There are several children to Thomas & Elizabeth including:
Bapt 25 Oct 1734 Henry the son of Thomas Parsons by Elizabeth his wife
Will have a look for Elizabeth Daws now
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Sue9
My electronic search of the baptism Registers of Heathfield 1612 t0 1753 revealed the following:
Bapt 24 Nov 1644 Elizabeth the daughter of William Dawe
Bapt 21 Aug 1699 Elizabeth the daughter of Allen Daw by Jane his wife
Bapt 22 Dec 1704 An unbaptized child of William Dawe junior by Jane his wife
Dont think any of them are suitable - but you never know
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks so much for the info on Henry Parsons can I ask you if you don't mind can I have his siblings
for my records
Best regards
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Hi Kerry B
These are the baptisms from 1613 to 1753 for Harmer
1616 Bapt 1 Apr Sarah the daughter of John Harmer (BT states that the father is a labourer)
1618 Bapt 7 June Margarett the daughter of John Harmer
1622 Bapt 24 Nov Elisabeth Harmer the daughter of John Harmer
1644 Bapt 9 June John the son of William Harmer
1649 Bapt 11 Oct William the son of William Harmer
1649 Bapt 10 Mch Jonah the son of Anthony Harmer
1650 Bapt 23 Mch William the son of William Harmer
1651 Bapt 2 Nov Mary the daughter of Anthony Harmer
1653 Bapt 28 Aug Mary the daughter of William Harmer
1661 Bapt 18 Apr Mergery the daughter of William Harmer
1662 Bapt 18 Sep Thomas the son of William Harmer
1665 Bapt 25 June Josiah the son of Williiam Harmer
1703 Bapt 11 Apr Richard the son of John Harmer junior and Elizabeth his wife
1717 Bapt 15 Apr Richard the son of Josiah and Ann Harmer
1723 Bapt 2 Jan John the son of John and Elizabeth Harmer
1725 Bapt 14 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of John and Elizabeth Harmer
1730 Bapt 23 Feb Sarah the daughter of William and Susanna Harmer
1735 Bapt 10 July John the son of John Harmer by Katherine his wife
1730 Bapt 16 Oct Thomas the son of John Harmer by Elizabeth his wife
1736 Bapt 23 Oct Jane the daughter of William Harmer by Susannah his wife
1737 Bapt 3 Dec Ann the daughter of William Harmer by Mary his wife
1740 Bapt 18 Nov Richard the son of Richard Harmer by Sarah his wife
1744 Bapt 29 Apr Samuel the son of John Harmer by Katherine his wife
1744 Bapt 8 July John the son of William Harmer by Mary his wife
1746 Bapt 15 Jan Thomas the son of Richard Harmer by Sarah his wife
1750 Bapt 9 Jan Ann the daughter of Joseph Harmer by Ann his wife
1751 Bapt 6 Apr Thomas the son of Thomas Harmer by Mary his wife
1751 Bapt 12 Dec Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Harmer by Mary his wife
1753 Bapt 18 Mch Joseph the son of Joseph Harmer by Ann his wife
They look pretty well spread out over the period of that register transcription - but there is a big gap between 1665 nd 1703 - will have to check that bit again
Chris in 1066
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Bapt 22 Dec 1704 An unbaptized child of William Dawe junior by Jane his wife
This is an odd one. The "unbaptized" comment is more likely to be found against a burial entry than a baptism, isn't it?
But many thanks, Chris - I have Parsons & Dawes in my tree, too!
Stovepipe
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Hi Sue9
Looks like we have two families here - possibly father and son because there is a generation between them (unless Thomas became a widower and married a very young wife)
1708 Bapt 6 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Parson by Elizabeth his wife (in BT only)
1710 Bapt 9 Sep Thomas the son of Thomas Parson by Elizabeth his wife (in BT only)
1714 Bapt 2 May Grace the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Parsons
1734 Bapt 25 Oct Henry the son of Thomas Parsons by Elizabeth his wife
1737 Bapt 3 Apr Sarah the daughter of Thomas Parsons by Elizabeth his wife
1739 Bapt 17 May Grace the daughter of Thomas Parsons by Elizabeth his wife
1741 Bapt 4 Sep Hannah the daughter of Thomas Parsons by Elizabeth his wife
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Stovepipe,
Nice to hear from you again - yes, me thinks it should have been in the burial register and we know they very often put birth, marriage and burials in the same register - so who knows?
Got to dig a few more 'Harmer' out for Kerryb after dinner - is there anything you want whilst I am at it ?
Chris in 1066
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Kerryb
Yes that was correct - I slowly scrolled through the transcriptions between 1665 and 1703 and there were no Harmer or variant baptisms.
Strange that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for your kind offer - and, believe it or not, the Harmers would be good for me too. I strongly suspect that my ancestor William Upfield married an Elizabeth Harmer of Heathfield (but her baptism would have been well after 1753).
Cheers,
Stovepipe
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Hi agian Kerryb
The 1582 to 1613 Registers contain all 3 events - so I have written them down as they came up on the electronic search.
1599 Buried 10 Apr Richard Harmer
1600 Buried 18 Oct John Harmer
1600 Buried 18 Dec Margeret Woodam the servant of Richard Harmer
1600 Bapt 11 Oct Frances Harmer the son of Richarde Harmer
1610 Married 28 Jan John Harmer of Hellingly and Sara Wickenden of this parish
1612 Married 27 Apr Retorne Harmer and Joane Bucher
Well, wasnt a lot was there
Kerry, as you can get all the marriages off your copy of the Sussex Marriage Index, that now just leaves me the burials between 1613 and 1753
Chris in 1066
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Kerry i have Harmers (my tree is like a map of Sussex names!)
some of my Harmers are in rotherfield and others in Hurstmoncaux
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Hi Chris
Thank you very much, that's given me something to do tomorrow afternoon ;D You are very kind
How odd that there was a gap, there were, according to my tree some Harmers born during this period. Hmm
While I'm here can you check a marriage for a John Harmer and Elizabeth? which should be 1701 in Heathfield according to my records sent to me. I couldn't find it on the sussex marriage index although there is a Canterbury Marriage Licence in 1702 for a John from Effell and I wondering if that is the one.
Thank you and very very much appreciated
Ooh I've just crossed with another message, thank you again
Kerry :)
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Hi Stovepipe
Yes, you are correct, he did marry an Elizabeth Harmer
Location: Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 6 Apr 1795:
Groom: William UPFIELD,
Bride: Elizabeth HARMER, with consent of parents Jos.& Eliz. md 1766
Both of this parish
looking at Kerryb's list, there was a Joseph Harmer baptized in 1753, could be a connection?
Chris in 1066
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Kerry i have Harmers (my tree is like a map of Sussex names!)
some of my Harmers are in rotherfield and others in Hurstmoncaux
Toni
Our 'maps' must be quite similar.
Maybe we should get together sometime, we seem to be meeting up on every name!!! ::) ::)
I've got quite a lot of Harmers on my tree now, some from Herstmonceux but not all checked which is what I'm starting to do, my other gran was a Harmer from Dallington with a long ancestry back to the old Heathfield Harmers.
Kerry
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Stovepipe
Cor Chris is on top form tonight, I can't keep up with him. Yes I have William Upfield and Elizabeth Cane on my tree, not directly descended from those two but they are there, is there any thing I can help with?
Kerry :)
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Hi Stovepipe
Yes, you are correct, he did marry an Elizabeth Harmer
Location: Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 6 Apr 1795:
Groom: William UPFIELD,
Bride: Elizabeth HARMER, with consent of parents Jos.& Eliz. md 1766
Both of this parish
looking at Kerryb's list, there was a Joseph Harmer baptized in 1753, could be a connection?
Chris in 1066
According to my tree Joseph Harmer baptised in 1753 and his wife Elizabeth Cane were this Elizabeth Harmer's parents. The Sussex Marriage Index had this Elizabeth Cane married to a Joseph Jarman but this is believed to be either a mistranscription or was misheard and it should be Jospeh harmer. They married in burwash on 16 April 1775.
Kerry
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Kerryb
Have checked the marriage transcripts for you
There were only 3 marriages in 1700, 4 in 1701 and 2 in 1702 (bishops transcripts only) - but sorry, there are no Harmers listed.
So this time,I cant help you
Sorry about that
I have just checked the burials and I believe there are 23 listed - will do them after dinner
Chris in 1066
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Chris,
That's brilliant! - thanks so much. And great information about consent from named parents too - but if I take "md 1766" to be the year of marriage of Jos. & Eliz., would I be right? It means the baptism of Joseph in 1753 was rather late for someone married just 13 years later. Of course the 1753 baptism may have been some cousin or other of Elizabeth's father.
Thanks again,
Stovepipe
PS I think Kerry may have answered the question - just need to check the Harmer/Jarman reading in an image of the register sometime. And check the dates.
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Thanks Chris
I can tick off Heathfield then, they must have married elsewhere.
Kerry :)
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Stovepipe
I have Elizabeth Harmer who married William Upfield baptised at Heathfield on 2 May 1777.
Do you have details of William's birth or baptism?
Kerry
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Hi Chris
Thanks so much for the info on the Parsons -
When you get time please dont spoil your dinner - can you check the marriages for me (Thomas and Elizabeth)
I have the SMI but not sure who is who!
My hubby in the kitchen cooking my dinner - bless him.
I also have Harmers in my tree and also my neice is marrying a Harmer in Dec in Alfriston.
Best regards
Sue
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Kerry i have Harmers (my tree is like a map of Sussex names!)
some of my Harmers are in rotherfield and others in Hurstmoncaux
Toni
Our 'maps' must be quite similar.
Maybe we should get together sometime, we seem to be meeting up on every name!!! ::) ::)
I've got quite a lot of Harmers on my tree now, some from Herstmonceux but not all checked which is what I'm starting to do, my other gran was a Harmer from Dallington with a long ancestry back to the old Heathfield Harmers.
Kerry
i can't spell Herstmonceux spell it differently every time!
most of my Harmer info. is unchecked also.
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I have Elizabeth Harmer who married William Upfield baptised at Heathfield on 2 May 1777.
Do you have details of William's birth or baptism?
Hi Kerry,
I've nothing on William Upfield's birth/baptism so far. I have his will and know from the grant that he died 22 November 1840. A death registered at Hailsham in Q4 1840 is probably his, but the index around that time doesn't give age at death (as you know). An accurate (big assumption that) age at death on the certificate would give me his year of birth (obviously) but just now my budget doesn't stretch to buying it.
His will names his children, including a few who pre-deceased him, and what I know about them fits very well with him marrying Elizabeth in 1795. A number of Harmers are mentioned in the will (witnesses and the married surname of one of William's daughters).
His wife Elizabeth was alive when he made his will in 1832 but had died before early November 1840 when a codicil was added. I've not found an entry in the civil registration index for Elizabeth's death - she may well have died before 1837 with the addition of the codicil being prompted by William's imminent demise, not hers.
As Elizabeth Harmer was a minor when she married in 1795, the baptism at Heathfield in 1777 looks very much like hers. Were the parents Joseph & Elizabeth?
The additional information on Chris's marriage data (viz. "md 1766") now causes me to doubt that the 1775 Burwash marriage of Joseph Harmer and Elizabeth Cane is that of the parents of William Upfield's wife. This is especially so when Joseph's surname is read as "Jarman" - the misreading is possible, but then "Jarman" isn't too unusual a name, so could just as well be right.
One day I'll visit ESRO and check all this stuff for myself.
Thanks for your interest, and all the help you've given me in the past.
Stovepipe
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Hi Stovepipe
I shall put your message on pile to look at.
I have a note on the marriage that says 'this needs checking, the contact was convinced it must be them but I would like to check for myself because Jarman is a local name I think.
Sorry I totally missed the bit about Elizabeth's parents being married 1766! Must slow down and read things properly. If they were married 1766 it is unlikely to be the Joseph baptised 1753 wouldn't it.
Certainly no marriage on the SMI of a Jos* Harmer in 1766. Hmm Another to add to the list for ESRO.
I must get along there one day too. Soon
Kerry
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Hi Kerryb
Here are your Heathfield Burials for the surname Harmer between 1612 and 1753
1616 Buried 14 Dec Sarah the wife of John Harmer labourer
1617 Buried 2 May Sarah the daughter of John Harmer a child
1622 Buried 11 Nov John Harmer
1622 Buried 20 Feb Francis Harmer the son of widow Harmer
1642 Buried 29 Apr Thomas Harmer
1652 Buried 7 Oct Jonas the son of Anthony Harmer
1661 Buried 30 Apr Mergery the daughter of William Harmer
1696 Buried 26 Mch Daniel Harmer
1696 Buried 7 May Joseph Harmer
1715 Buried 17 May John Harmer senior (BT says he was a pauper)
1716 Buried 25 Nov Susannah Harmer widow
1718 Buried 15 May Richard Harmer (2nd page says from Arlington)
1718 Buried 8 Aug Anne the wife of Joseph Harmer
1721 Buried 2? Apr Elizabeth the wife of John Harmer (BT has 28 Apr)
1723 Buried 13 Feb Joseph Harmer senior
1724 Buried 2 May widow Harmer
1738 Buried 4 Oct John Harmer
1741 Buried 2 Dec Margaret Harmer
1741 Buried 29 Dec Thomas Harmer
1743 Buried 29 Dec John Harmer
1747 Buried 13 Dec Mary Harmer the widow
1749 Buried 25 Mch Elizabeth Harmer widow aged 95
1749 Buried 9 Jan Joseph Harmer (church-warden and parish book keeper)
That is your lot I am afraid - Hope it helps with your quest
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
I'm going to be busy now. I just picked up my file of Harmer info and pages I printed from A2A some time ago. Interesting lot the Harmers. I have one who brought a court case again Sir William Pelham who has previously given a house and land at Burwash to his father and grandfather and then decided to take it away.
Another one was executed in 1572 along with the wife of a man from Warbleton that together they murdered.
I'm going to enjoy researching this family I think ;D
Kerry
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Hello Chris - please could you check the Baptisms and Burials for these two surnames - Coman/Colman/Coleman and Bridger.
Many thanks
Suey
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Hi there Suey
Unfortunately, Bridger does not appear in the Baptism register 1613 to 1753 and the Coleman entries are as follows
1646 Bapt 5 Apr William the son of William Coleman
1647 Bapt 24 Oct Mary the daughter of William Coleman
Thats all I am afraid, but there are a couple of children to an Edward Colbran which is a very similar surname.
Will have a look in the burials in a little while
Chris in 1066
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Thank you Chris - I'm trying to eliminate Parishes as much as anything so results are actually quite interesting.
Suey
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Hi Suey
Here are your burials in Heathfield between 1613 and 1753
1716 Buried 10 Mch Ann Coleman wife of John Coleman
Bridger - sorry there are none
Not very helpful was it
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Here are the entries for 1582 - 1613
All Baptisms, Marriages and Burials are in the same register
1586 Married 20 June Robert Collman and Marye Plumden
1611 Married 26 Nov Thomas Colman and Sara Tyhurst
Again, it was ZERO response for Bridger
Chris in 1066
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Thanks again Chris - No worries, at least I can cross 'early Heathfield' off my list :D
I have been looking at some PR transcriptions myself just recently and I have come to realise just how transient some of our ancestors were.
A marriage in one parish certainly does not guarantee that children will have been born or baptised there - or maybe it's just my lot giving me the run around ;D
Suey
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Good Evening Chris
Please could you look up the name Sands in the Heathfield Parish Records - hope there not to many of them.
Thanks
Sue
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Hi there Sue9
Here are your SANDS baptisms as shown in the Heathfield Parish Registers between 1613 abd 1753
1716 Bapt 22 Feb Mary the daughter of William and Mary Sands
1725 Bapt 26 Sep Ann the daughter of William and Mary Sands
1736 Bapt 26 Sep John the illegitimate son of Mary Sands
1739 Bapt 27 May Jeremiah the son of Jeremiah Sands by Ann his wife
1743 Bapt 3 Apr Thomas the son of Jeremiah Sands by Ann his wife
1748 Bapt 29 Sep Benjamin the son of Jeremiah Sands by Ann his wife
There are no Baptisms, Marriages or Deaths in the Registers between 1582 and 1612
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Sue9
Here are the burials in Heathfield between 1612 and 1753
1747 Buried 2 Sep Mary the wife of William Sands
1749 Buried 5 July Thomas the son of Jeremiah Sands
Sorry, but thats your lot
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
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Sue9
There are only 2 marriages during 1612 to 1753 as follows
1629 Married 23 Apr John Young and Elizabeth Sands both of the parish of Mayfield by license
1735 Married 7 Mch Jeremiah Sands and Ann French by banns
Sorry, thats all there are
CXhris in 1066
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Good Evening Chris
Thanks so much for looking up the Sands for me it is very kind of you.
Regards
Sue
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Hi Chris
I wonder if you could check two spouses for me who married into the Harmers and were supposedly born in Heathfield.
Susanna Baker born 1707
Katherine Evenden born 1709
Are you able to find their baptisms and from that their parents and any possible siblings?
Thank you
Kerry :)
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Hi Kerryb
Trust you to pick 1707 - one of the years that virtually no records were entered - on the transcription that I have it says the following:
1707 (this year was not in BT and there are no regular records in PR just these 2 out of order therefore
there will be many missing entries)
Bapt 30 Aug Susannah the daughter of Thomas and Susannah Taylor (entry was out of order)
Bapt Feb Francis the son of Arthur and Jane Knight (entry out of order)
But prior to this, there are several baptisms of children to "John Baker by Jane his wife" and John Baker (Parish Clerk) and Elizabeth his wife.
Although there is this
1700 Bapt 22 Dec Susanna the daughter of John Baker by Elizabeth his wife.
After the above, the Baker name does not appear again for some 40 years (1841 to be exact, and then it is a William Baker and Mary his wife.
I hope the above makes sense to you
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Sorry, but the name Evenden appears only once in the baptism Register between 1612 and 1753 as follows:
1751 Bapt 8 Sep John the son of John Evenden by Elizabeth his wife
Sorry, but it does not look like they are Heathfield Folk
Chris in 1966
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I've seen elsewhere "Evenden" as a form of the name "Haffenden". Should think there might be one or two of the latter in the Heathfield registers. (Not asking for a lookup, though.)
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Hi Kerryb
Trust you to pick 1707 - one of the years that virtually no records were entered - on the transcription that I have it says the following:
1707 (this year was not in BT and there are no regular records in PR just these 2 out of order therefore
there will be many missing entries)
Bapt 30 Aug Susannah the daughter of Thomas and Susannah Taylor (entry was out of order)
Bapt Feb Francis the son of Arthur and Jane Knight (entry out of order)
But prior to this, there are several baptisms of children to "John Baker by Jane his wife" and John Baker (Parish Clerk) and Elizabeth his wife.
Although there is this
1700 Bapt 22 Dec Susanna the daughter of John Baker by Elizabeth his wife.
After the above, the Baker name does not appear again for some 40 years (1841 to be exact, and then it is a William Baker and Mary his wife.
I hope the above makes sense to you
Chris in 1066
It makes perfect sense and ain't that just typical, had to be me who wanted 1707 ;D ;D
Thanks for looking Chris. At least the 1700 birth gives a possibility to look into.
Kerry
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Hi again
Sorry, but the name Evenden appears only once in the baptism Register between 1612 and 1753 as follows:
1751 Bapt 8 Sep John the son of John Evenden by Elizabeth his wife
Sorry, but it does not look like they are Heathfield Folk
Chris in 1966
Thanks again Chris
At least I can start looking elsewhere and it proves to me once again that taking submitted trees off the IGI should never be taken as gospel!
If I don't get chance to say it again, have a lovely Christmas Chris! ;D
Kerry
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I've seen elsewhere "Evenden" as a form of the name "Haffenden". Should think there might be one or two of the latter in the Heathfield registers. (Not asking for a lookup, though.)
Thanks for that Stovepipe, that's a possibility I had not thought of!
Kerry
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Stovepipe / Kerryb
Yes, there are quite a few Haffendens in Heathfield Parish Registers - but unfortunately not one of them were named Katherine with a K or a C
Sorry Kerry
Chris in 1066
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Thanks for looking Chris
Kerry
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Happy New Year Chris
Please could you look-up two bapts for me
Sarah Roberts born between 1680-1720
Elizabeth Deering born between 1640 - 1695
Thanks so much
Sue
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Sue9
Happy New Year to you too
Was any of these what you were looking for
1712 Bapt ?? June Sarah the daughter of George and Ann Roberts (entry out of order)
1646 Bapt 29 Nov Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering
1671 Married 25 May Christopher Deering and Elizabeth Willard
1672 Bapt 16 May Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
Hope that helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for the info
My Elizabeth Deering (Heathfield) married Thomas Parsons 2/6/1707
so I think she would be 1672 bapt 16 May the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife.
I have a Sarah Roberts married to Thomas Parsons 1731 so Sarah 1712 would fit - the only problem I have is the children of Thomas Parsons (1710) the mother is a Elizabeth and not Sarah?
Thanks for the look-up.
Sue
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Hi Chris
Can you look-up the bapt of
Christopher Deering married 1671 and his wife Elizabeth Willard.
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue9
1629 Bapt 7 Feb Christopher Deering the son of Christopher Deering
1676 Bapt 3 Jan Christopher the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1629 Married 28 Apr Christopher Deering and Theodosia Larkins
1665 Married 27 June Christopher Deering and Ann Johnson
1671 Married 25 May Christopher Deering and Elizabeth Willard
1668 Buried 14 May wife of Christopher Deering the younger
1671 Buried 15 July Christopher Deering the elder
1688 Buried 18 Feb Christopher Deering
Sussex Marriage Index
Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 28 Apr 1629:
Christopher DEERING & Theodosia LARKINS, from the BT
Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 27 Jun 1665:
Christopher DEERING & Ann JOHNSON
Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 25 May 1671:
Christopher DEERING & Elizabeth WILLARD
Heathfield, East Sussex, Date: 5 Nov 1737:
Christopher DEARING & Elizabeth HOLMAN, widow by licence.
Hope all the above helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for all the info on Christopher Deering.
Do you think that perhaps Christopher who married Elizabeth Willard in 1671 may have been a widower because of a Christopher marrying Ann Johnson 6 years earlier and their was a death of a wife of Christopher the younger in 1668 - can you look for any bapt of any children born to them both.
Thanks
Sue
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Sue
Yes, that is more than probable.
I noticed quite a few children of Christopher being baptized and buried.
It would take me a little while to assemble the data
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for your time - its great getting back to the 1600.
Sue
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Sue
1629 Bapt 7 Feb Christopher Deering the son of Christopher Deering
1646 Bapt 29 Nov Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering
1649 Bapt 24 June James the son of Christopher Deering
1672 Bapt 16 May Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1674 Bapt 24 June Anne the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1676 Bapt 3 Jan Christopher the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1681 Bapt 23 May Thomas the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1683 Bapt 8 Feb John the son of Christopher Deering and Elizabeth his wife was born 27 Dec
1686 Bapt 10 Oct Henry the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1689 Bapt 20 July Mary the daughter of Elizabeth Dearing widow (BT says father is Christopher Deering)
1653 Buried 1 Aug James the son of Christopher Deeringe
1668 Buried 14 May wife of Christopher Deering the younger
It looks as though the entries where it just mentions Christopher is from one wife as the rest all state Elizabeth.
Only confusing bit, are some Chris the Elder?
Chris in Hastings
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Hi Chris
Thanks for all the info - I'm busy trying to make head and tail of it - once you start to enter it up it sometimes becomes clearer.
Thanks once again.
Sue
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Hi Chris
I've just google Christopher Deering Sussex - and found this - New Shoes and Mutton Pies, Investigative responses to theft in seventeenth century east sussex - on may day 1639 Christopher Deering discovered that a lamb was missing from this property in Heathfield.
Its great when you find some like this.
Thanks
Sue
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Chris i was wondering if you came across any of this in the burial registers:~
By law, from 1667 until 1814, corpses had to be wrapped in sheep wool to bouy up the English woolen industry. Each burial entry was annotated with a note (‘by Aff’) testifying that an affidavit had been sworn before a magistrate by a member of the defuncts family to this effect. The details about the affidavits were sometimes accompanied by the persons name and relationship to the deceased. Where the burial registers are deficient, any separate notes about affidavits can prove invaluable as they were sworn within eight days of the interment.
Toni
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Hi Toni
Yes, as a teacher of family history at various CCE establisments in Sussex as well as at the University of Sussex - I have been well aware of the 'Buried in Wool Act' for many many years.
A copy of one such affidavit is posted below
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris, would these be held in the genreal parish records then or a seperate index? I was wondering whetre i would be able to search them at the County Record Office i suppose.
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Hi Toni
Unfortunately very few of these affidavits have survived - if they have, it is usually in the Parish Chest or amongst the Overseers of the Poor papers.
An alternative was a 'naked burial' for those who could not afford wool, or a fine.
The Acts were only repealed in 1814, but in some places like Manchester, the Parish Clerks in 1678 purchased a separate Register to record the affidavits. The series was continued upto 1795, though the affidavits cease to be recorded in the latter two volumes of the series, and it would appear that these registers had by then become the main paper original register of burials.
Unfortunately, I have not come across any in the East Sussex Record Office.
Chris in 1066
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oh i was hoping they might give me some clues
thanks anyway
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Hi Chris
Would you kindly look and see if there are any Cliftons in the Heathfield Parish Registers
Best regards
Sue
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Hi Sue
Not many I am afraid
1698 Bapt 29 Mch John the son of Clifton by Joan his wife (BT gives initial of father as N.)
1699 Bapt 13 May Martha the daughter of William Clifton by Jone his wife
1685 Married 1 Oct David Clifton of Wadhurst and Elizabeth Heathfield of Heathfield
1704 Married 4 Feb William Clifton and Mary Bywood both of this parish
Burials - Nill
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Would it be possible to get details for any of the Ticehurst family in Heathfield?
Would be much obliged if you could have a looksee!!
Thanks!
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Hi chrislb
Sure, no problem - will do it a little later this morning.
Watch this space
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Well, that didnt take long - the electonic search only found the following
Heathfield Parish Registers - 1613 to 1753
1740 Married 13 Nov John Ticehurst of Glynd and Mary Hepden of Burwash by license
Baptism - Nill
Burials - Nill
Heathfield Parish Registers up to 1613
Nill
Sorry, but that is the one and only
Chris in 1066
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LOL wish all searches could be that quick!!
Thanks Chris!!!
Do you by any chance have any parish registers for places such as Ashburnham, Dallington and Burwash????? There should be several Ticehursts in those records........ :)
Again thanks :D
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Hi again
Only have these burials at the moment
TICEHURST Mary 39 10 Aug 1821 Ashburnham
TICEHURST ?m 16 Jul 1835 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Charles 62 15 May 1845 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Rhoda 28 5 Nov 1845 Ashburnham
TICEHURST John 1 July 1708 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Mary 5 Jan 1709 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Ann 4 Feb 1711 Ashburnham
TICEHURS Joseph 16 Jun 1713 Ashburnham
TICEHURST John 9 Apr 1714 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Mary 4 Aug 1714 Ashburnham
TICEHURST James 7 Dec 1719 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Joseph 7 May 1720 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Ann 30 Dec 1727 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Eliz 2 July 1730 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Joseph? (worn away) 26 Aug 1732 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Eliz 13 Jun 1733 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Ann 17 Dec 1737 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Sarah 6 Aug 1738 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Samuel 18 Dec 1742 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Joseph 6 Feb 1746 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Lydia 20 Mar 1752 Ashburnham
TICEHURST John 11 Oct 1753 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Sarah 11 May 1758 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Catherine 14 Nov 1763 Ashburnham
TICEHURST Martha 9 Aug 1769 Ashburnham
Are they of any help to you
Chris in 1066
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They surely are Chris!! Thanks.
Feel free to send anything else you find, be it births deaths or marriages, about Ticehurst's in Ashburnham, Burwash or Dallington my way :D
Thanks very much indeed!!
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One question regarding those Ticehurst burials..........
Apart from the 1st, 3rd and 4th in the list, which clearly have an age and date, I am assuming that the numeral represents the date not age of the deceased. Would that be correct??
I ask because I want to be clear on that :D
Thanks again!!
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Hi Chris,
Would it be possible for you to see if there are any records for Hook/Hooke in the Heathfield registers please? I am particularly interested in the earlier years of the registers, but any details would be great.
Thank you,
Lesley
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Hi Chrislb
The first four have an age at death because they are all in the 1800's; the rest are in the 1700's when NO age at death was recorded
So yes, you are correct
Chris in 1066
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Hi there L
I will look for you in a short while - am in the middle of cooking dinner for the family as the 'good lady' is not to well today and is staying in bed
But I will do it soon
Chris in 1066
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Do you by any chance have any parish registers for places such as Ashburnham, Dallington and Burwash????? There should be several Ticehursts in those records........ :)
Burwash baptisms are well covered by the Sussex-OPC site (4,783 records 1569-1896); burials and marriages not so well (although there's a few).
You can search on surname. I checked for baptisms under the name "Ticehurst" and found none.
http://www.sussex-opc.org/index.htm
Stovepipe
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Hi L
Did these few whilst I was waiting for the Roast Potatoes to brown off
Heathfield Marriage Registers from 1613 to 1753
1643 Married 30 Apr Thomas Besbridge of Wadhurst and Mary Hooke of Waldron
1665 Married 31 Oct Thomas Hooke and Dorothy Durrant
1665 Married 9 Feb Edward Hooke and Elizabeth Coale both of Waldron
1670 Married 24 May Richard Hooke and Anne Tanner both of Warbleton
1747 Married 16 June Thomas Hook and Sarah Alderton by banns
Chris in 1066
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Hi
Heathfield Parish Registers 1580 to 1613
1596 Bapt 23 Jan Marye Hooke the daughter of William Hooke
1599 Bapt 13 Jan Sara Hooke the daughter of William Hooke
1601 Buried 23 May the daughter of William Hooke
1602 Buried 13 July John the son of William Hooke
1603 Bapt 5 June Joseph Hooke the son of William Hooke
1604 Bapt 24 Feb John son of William Hooke
1606 Bapt 7 Dec Lyddia the daughter of William Hook
Will do the 1613 to 1753 later today
hris in 1066
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Hi there L
As there was not many - managed to get them all done before dinner
Heathfield Bapt & Burial Registers 1613 to 1753
1643 Bapt 9 Aug Thomas the son of John Hooke but was boarne at Mayfield
1705 Bapt 2 Apr Charles the son of Edward and Joane Hook (entry out of order)
1709 Bapt 2 Apr Charles the son of Edward and Joan Hook (in BT only)
1709 Bapt 5 May Elizabeth the daughter of Edward and Joan Hook (in BT only)
1753 Bapt 30 Aug John the son of Thomas Hook by Sarah his wife
1681 Buried 13 Mch Dorothy Hook a widow
1749 Buried 29 May Mary the wife of Richard Hook
Going to put the yorkshire puddings in now
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Many thanks for all that which I can now start to sort. Hope the dinner turns out well!
Thank you again,
Lesley
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Hi Chrislb
The first four have an age at death because they are all in the 1800's; the rest are in the 1700's when NO age at death was recorded
So yes, you are correct
Chris in 1066
Thanks Chris! Sorry if I sounded a bit dense there........ :) but I would rather get it right before making any assumptions about anyone on the list :D
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Dear Chris
Not sure if you have looked already but i hane Relf/e's as a remote line in my tree i have been conctaed by a fellow researcher and i was wondering if they appear in the Heathfield PR's and that i could pass this info. on
all the best
Toni
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Hi Toni
Got a couple of errands to do this morning - will look for you when I get back about lunchtime
Chris in 1066
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Hi there
Got my errands done a bit quicker than I thought.
Here are all of the occurences of the Surname RELF or variant in the Heathfield Parish Registers
1563 – 1613
NILL
1613 to 1753
1673 Married 24 Apr Richard Relfe of Heathfield and Anne Jordan of Burwash
1680 Married 19 Oct Richard Weston and Susannah Relfe both of Mayfield
1681 Married 21 Apr Thomas Dypleg of Wadherst and Elizabeth Relfe of Mayfield
1681 Married 23 Feb Edward Chapman and Ann Relfe
1698 Married 5 May Edward Alfrey and Mary Relfe
1699 Married 27 Apr John Roades and Ann Relfe
1704 Married 27 June Richard Relfe of Brasted, Kent and Elizabeth Turner of Chiddingly
1720 Married 10 Nov John Turner of Rotherfield and Bridget Relfe of Mayfield by license
1735 Married 8 Apr Adam Relfe and Katherine Taylor both of Waldron by certificate
1632 Bapt 17 Mch William Relfe the son of Richard Realfe
1635 Bapt 23 Mch Alce Relfe the daughter of Richard Relfe
1641 Bapt 26 Sep Richard the son of Richard Relfe
1659 Bapt 26 Feb Thomas the son of William Relfe
1659 Bapt 1 Apr William the son of William Relfe
1674 Bapt 9 Aug Mary the daughter of Richard Relf by Ann his wif
1676 Bapt 23 Jan Anne the daughter of Richard Relf by Ann his wife
1743 Bapt 11 Mch Ann the daughter of Adam Relfe by Kathrine his wife
1631 Buried 1 Mch Alice daughter of Richard Relfe
1632 Buried 17 Feb Joane Relfe widow of Mayfield
1645 Buried 16 Mch Mary the wife of Richard Relfe
Hope that helps with their research
Chris in 1066
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OMGosh Chris i wasnt expecting so many!
i will pass it on to the fellow Relf/e researcher
thanks for your efforts
PS how did your talk go on memorial / gravestone inscriptions?
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Toni
OMGosh Chris i wasnt expecting so many!
I gave you all I could find in the Registers using an electonic search facility.
PS how did your talk go on memorial / gravestone inscriptions?
It didn't - it is not till this Saturday Coming - 8th ;D
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
I've been tracing my family tree Rumary/Romary and have found them to have been living in Heathfield(West Street Lane) from at least 1796 to 1910 as they appear in all the census, from 1841 to 1901, is there any record of them in the parish records? as I have now come to a standstill.I would be really gratfull for any advice or information
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Hi there
Got to take daughter to Dentist - but will have a look for you later this morning; but I only have transcriptions of the Registers from 1563 up to 1753
Chris in 1066
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PS how did your talk go on memorial / gravestone inscriptions?
It didn't - it is not till this Saturday Coming - 8th ;D
Chris in 1066
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oops i was sure you said the 4th and the 4th wasn't even a weekend :-[
good luck
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Hi Whyamihere
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards which is one of the best - hope we can help you with your research.
I have done an electronic search of the Heathfield Registers with the following results for the surname Rumary/Romary/Rummery etc.
1563 - 1613
None
1613 - 1753
1693 Bapt 24 Jan John the son of Philip Rummery by Grace his wife
1716 Bapt 29 Apr Philip the son of John and Mary Rummery
1718 Bapt 11 May John the son of John and Mary Rummary
1721 Bapt 23 July Richard the son of John and Elizabeth Rummery
1728 Bapt 18 Feb George the son of John Rummary
1748 Bapt 29 June George the son of Richard Rummery by Mary his wife
1750 Bapt 17 Oct Elizabeth the daughter of Richard Rummery by Mary his wife
1677 Buried James Bummy?? (possibly Rummy?)
1726 Buried 29 Sep Mary Rummery an infant
1730 Buried 24 Jan George the son of John and Mary Rummery
1732 Buried 22 May Philip Rummery
1744 Buried 14 Dec Mary Rummery widow
1750 Buried 16 Nov George Rummery
Marriages - None
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Many thanks for your speedy reply to my query, really do appreciate your time and effort, i now have some more information to work with, once again many thanks.
All the best Kevin
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Hi I am new toall this, my Dearing/Deering Ancestors came from Heathfield Area I would like to know if I can find out if any Fought in the Battle of Hastings, and if poss the main source of occupations.from 1575 thanks. A1931
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HI A0510
Welcome to Rootschat and especially our Sussex Boards.
Sorry, but have not got time to do your search at the moment as I visit a relative in an Old Persons Home on a Friday Evening, but will do an electronic search for you when I get back which will be about 9pm
Chris in 1066
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Hi Again
Here is the first part of your electronic search for Deering/Dearing ancestors from Heathfield. (There are more of them than I thought there would be)
Heathfield Parish Registers - 1563 - 1699
1614 Married 10 Oct Richard Deering and Anne Tredcroft widow
1624 Bapt 29 Aug Morefruite daughter of Esay Deering
1625 Bapt 29 Aug Morefrute the daughter of Esau Deering (this entry crossed out)
1629 Bapt 7 Feb Christopher Deering the son of Christopher Deering
1629 Married 28 Apr Christopher Deering and Theodosia Larkins
1634 Bapt 14 Sep John Dearing the son of Christofer Dearing
1636 Bapt 16 Oct Mary Dearing the daughter of Christopher Dearing
1665 Married 27 June Christopher Deering and Ann Johnson
1668 Buried 14 May wife of Christopher Deering the younger
1671 Married 25 May Christopher Deering and Elizabeth Willard
1671 Buried 15 July Christopher Deering the elder
1672 Bapt 16 May Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1674 Bapt 24 June Anne the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1676 Bapt 3 Jan Christopher the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1679 Married 20 May Thomas Deering and Elizabeth Taylor
1681 Bapt 23 May Thomas the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1683 Bapt 8 Feb John the son of Christopher Deering and Elizabeth his wife was born 27 Dec
1686 Bapt 10 Oct Henry the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1689 Bapt 20 July Mary the daughter of Elizabeth Dearing widow (BT says father is Christopher Deering)
1689 Buried 27 Mch Theodosia Dearing widow
Will complete after I have got kids to bed
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Here is the second and final part of Deering/Dearing surname in the Heathfield Parish Registers between 1700 and 1753
1705 Buried 24 Aug Thomas Dearing of Hurstmonceaux
1711 Bapt 14 Oct Ann the daughter of Henry Dearing by Hannah his wife (in BT only)
1712 Bapt 6 Oct Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Dearing by Elizabeth his wife (in BT only)
1713 Bapt 31 Jan Henry Dearing the son of Henry and Hannah Deering
1715 Married 11 May John Deering and Dorothy Mepham both of this parish
1717 Buried 4 Sep Elizabeth Dearing the wife of Christopher Dearing
1718 Bapt 18 Jan Christopher the son of Henry Dearing by Hannah his wife
1719 Buried 7 Oct Thomas the son of Henry and Hannah Dearing (2nd page has 9 Oct)
1723 Buried 27 Nov Mary Dearing an infant
1724 Buried 12 May Anne Dearing an infant (BT says daughter of Henry and Hannah Dearing)
1726 Bapt 24 Apr Elizabeth the daughter of John Deering and Dorothy his wife
1737 Married 5 Nov Christopher Dearing and Elizabeth Holman widow by license
1738 Married 3 Apr John Dearing and Mary Sanders by banns
1743 Married 1 Dec Henry Dearing and Mary Picknall by banns
1744 Bapt 10 Mch George the son of Henry Dearing junior
1747 Bapt 30 Aug Henry the son of Henry Dearing by Mary his wife
1748 Married 1 Dec George Dearing and Mary Knight both of this parish by banns
1749 Bapt 13 Apr George the son of George Dearing by Mary his wife
1749 Bapt 18 Mch Thomas the son of Mary Dearing (BT says Mary is wife of Henry Dearing)
1750 Married 13 June John Gain and Ann Dearing by banns
1750 Bapt 22 Oct Mary the daughter of George Dearing by Mary his wife
1751 Bapt 24 Jan Thomas the son of John Dearing 3 years old the 13th of Dec last
1751 Bapt 24 Jan Henry the son of George Dearing by Mary his wife
1753 Bapt 12 Oct John the son of George Dearing by Mary his wife
Hope it has been of some help to you
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris, thank you so much for all the Dearing information I knew there were quite a few arouind as I have a C D of marriages, but Baptism I never had to many of so no Info on who had how many Children, Are there many Desendance left in the area do you know? My grand father Albert and his Brother George came down to London, about mid 1800's and this where I originate from, so the help of S F H G has been a great help to me and now yourself, I am sure I shall be in contact with you Again, Happy Easter, A0510.
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Hello Chris, I have a Burial record of Henry Deering on 4/3/1870 who died in County Prison age 19 I haven't been able to find who his Parent's were can you help please, Thanks. A0510
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Hi
Sorry, my records for Heathfield cover the period 1563 to 1763; so am unable to help on this one.
Chris
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Hi Chris
I wonder if you would mind checking the Heathfield Register for any occurrences of the name Message?
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Have electronically searched the Heathfield registers for 'Message' - but without success I am afraid.
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Don't be sorry Chris :D
That was just what I wanted to know! ;D Thank you I can cross Heathfield off the list.
Kerry :)
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Hi Chris,
Would you please check the Heathfield Parish Register for any entries relating to the surnames Morfey and Stonestreet, I'd be very grateful.
Ian
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IMF
i have a distant link to the Stonestreets,
PM me!
are you after any in particular?
Toni,
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Hi Chris
Would you mind checking the Heathfield registers for the name Curtis?
Thank you and hope you are enjoying our rain, my garden is loving it ;D
Thanks
Kerry
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Hi Chris
any chance of a look-up fro LUCK
have been given a descendant chart which begins circa 1642 (not a good start wth no exact date)
and it ends in 1880, iknow the later ones won't be there but you may be bale to confirmwhat i have been given and also add to the info as this is only a direct line and does not elaborate on the siblings, just gives names and bp. dates.
cheers
Toni
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Chris,
Would you kindly check for any WELLER baptisms following the marriage there in 1783 of Thomas WELLER, schoolmaster of Heathfield, widower, and Lucy HIDER of same, spinster.
Thanks,
Samueller.
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Morning Chris
Would you kindly look up any births for the name Cooper just females.
Looking for a Ann/Mary/Elizabeth born after 1700.
Thanks
Sue
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Hello Sue, just been through the microfiche of Transcriptions of Baptisms that I have 1700-1770 not a sign of a Cooper anywhere; having said that some images are from the original reg's and very hard to read.
But if Chris is able to look at his records sometime just to double check :)
Suey
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Hello Chris
I noticed that you had been asked about the surname LUCK earlier this year. I can't find your answer...sorry.
Would it be possible for you to look again for LUCK and PANKHURST.
Thank you
Pauline
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Hi pollymusic
Welcome to rootschat. I think Chris must be away for the summer as he has not been online for the last month. It might be worth your starting a new post with the names in the heading and then someone may pick up on it and help you. Give as much detail as you have - names and dates if you have them. If you can quote a census or two that is even better.
Andrea
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Thanks...I will.
Pauline
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Sue9
Hi there
Have checked the Heathfield Parish Register transcripts for the surname Cooper between the years 1613 - 1753
There are several entries right up to 1679 then they stop and there are non right up to 1753 - so it looks as though the family moved out of Heathfield or else they all died off ?
Sorry about this
Chris in 1066
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Pollymusic
Hi there
Yes, Andrea was correct, we have just come back from 5 weeks camping in Somerset, Bristol, Bath & Avon .
You are looking for Luck and Pankhurst I believe - but is it Bapt, Marr or Death and what particular time period?
Chris in 1066
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Hi Samuellee
You asked:
Would you kindly check for any WELLER baptisms following the marriage there in 1783 of Thomas WELLER, schoolmaster of Heathfield, widower, and Lucy HIDER of same, spinster.
Unfortunately, this is beyond the range of my transcriptions as they only cover the period 1612 to 1753
Sorry about that
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Hi Toni
You recently asked
look-up fro LUCK - have been given a descendant chart which begins circa 1642 (not a good start wth no exact date) and it ends in 1880, i know the later ones won't be there but you may be bale to confirm what i have been given and also add to the info as this is only a direct line and does not elaborate on the siblings, just gives names and bp. dates.
24th Mar 1612 - Dorothy the dau of Ester
then a big gap to
9th August 1677 - John the son of Thomas by Mary his wife
4th Jan 1680 - Thomas the son of Thomas (BT says by Mary his wife)
3rd Dec 1682 - Philip the son of Thomas by Mary his wife
13th June 1685 - Joseph the son of Thomas by Mary his wife
7th Jan 1677 - Mary the daughter of Thomas by Mary his wife
2nd Aug 1691 - Hugh the son of Thomas by Mary his wife
30th Dec 1694 - William the son of Thomas by Mary his wife
6th Nov 1698 - a child of Thomas by Mary his wife by Mr Livermore
14th Feb 1725 - William the son of William & Mary
9th Dec 1729 - Mary the daughter of William & Mary
7th Sept 1735 - Elizabeth the daughter of William and Mary his wife
19th Mar 1735 - Joseph the son of John
12th Aug 1750 - John the son of Thomas by Anne his wife
14th Jan 1751 - Philip the son of Thomas by Ann his wife
18th Apr 1753 - Elizabeth the daughter of William by Mary his wife
11th Nov 1753 - Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas by Anne his wife
Hope they confirm some of what you already have
Chris in 1066
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Hi Kerry
Sorry for the delay but here is your Curtis baptisms
1632 Bapt 10 Mch Barbery Curtis the daughter of Moremercy Curtis
1699 Bapt 30 Oct Thomas the son of Thomas Curtis by Elizabeth his wife
1699 Bapt 27 Dec Mary the daughter of John Curtis the younger by Mary his wife
1700 Bapt 6 July Sarah the daugher of Thomas Curtis junior (BT says by Mary his wife)
1703 Bapt 19 Apr Mary the daughter of Thomas Curtis junior and Elizabeth his wife
1737 Bapt 18 Aug John the son of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
1739 Bapt 5 Aug Hannah the daughter of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
1740 Bapt 18 Jan Mary the daughter of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
1742 Bapt 17 Oct Thomas the son of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
1743 Bapt 26 Feb Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
1745 Bapt 12 May Jeremiah the son of Thomas Curtiss by Hannah his wife
1753 Bapt 11 Mch William the son of Thomas Curtis by Hannah his wife
Hope the above is ok
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
You have given dates for Luck baptisms to Toni for the dates I am interested in, around 1650 through to your end date. Marriages & burials would be useful in the sames date range.
Pankhurst is a hopeful inquiry. They were in Chiddingley in 1796 but they moved around a bit in Sussex, so the same date range for BMD's would be useful
Thank you, I am grateful for any info just to narrow the search field. You must have a lot to catch up on after your holiday
Regards
Pauline
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Hi Pauline
Just had a quick look for PANKHURST baptisms (about 50) and Burials (about 24) in the Heathfield registers between 1612 and 1753.
Give me time to write them out and will copy here directly
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
There is no panic...I am sure you have more important things to do after five weeks away.
Regards
Pauline
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Hi Pauline
Here are the PANKHURST and Variants baptisms - 1612 to 1753
1614 Bapt 15 May Dorothy the daughter of John Pankerst
1614 Bapt 28 Aug Agnes the daughter of Unfayned Pankerst
1615 Bapt 31 Dec Elizabeth the daugthter of Unfayned Pankhurst
1616 Bapt 15 Sep Richard Pankhurste the son of Francis Pankhurst (BT states that the father is a labourer)
1616 Bapt 13 Dec Joane the daughter of Unfayned Pankerst the thatcher
1617 Bapt 20 Mch Bettrice the daughter of John Pankerst
1619 Bapt 4 Apr Mary the daughter of Unfeyned Pankerst
1619 Bapt 9 May Elizabeth the daughter of (Unfayned crossed out) Francis Pankerst
1619 Bapt 3? Thomas the son of Unfayned Pankerst
1620 Bapt 2 Apr John the son of John Pankhurst
1620 Bapt 31 Dec Margery the daughter of Unfeyned Pankherst
1620 Bapt 24 Mch Increase Pankerst the daughter of Unfigned Pankerst of Hellingly
1622 Bapt 31 Mch Thomas Pankerst the son of Jhon Pankest
1622 Bapt 5 May Mildred the daughter of Francis Pankest
1623 Bapt 16 Feb Joane the daughter of Unfaigned Pankerst
1624 Bapt 28 Nov Richard Pankest the son of Jhon Pankest (BT has father as Thomas)
1626 Bapt 4 Mch Richard Pankest son of Unfayned Pankest
1627 Bapt 13 May Walter Pankerst the son of John Panckerst
1628 Bapt 20 Apr Grace Pankest daughter of Unfayned Pankest
1628 Bapt 5 Oct William Pankest son of Francis Pankes
1629 Bapt 26 Apr Elisabeth Pankest daughter of John Pankest
1629 Bapt 1 Nov Annis Pankest the daughter of Thomas Pankest
1630 Bapt 13 Feb Thomas Pankest the son of Francis Pankest
1631 Bapt 18 Sep Marget Pankest the daughter of Unfayned Pankest
1631 Bapt 5 Feb Thomas Pankest the son of Thomas Pankest
1647 Bapt 7 Nov Anne the daughter of William Pankerst
1647 Bapt 12 Dec Thomas the son of Richard Pankerst
1649 Bapt 13 May Thomas the son of Richard Pankerst
1650 Bapt 9 Feb Robert the son of Richard Pankerst
1662 Bapt 29 Dec Thomas the son of Thomas Pankerst posthumous
1677 Bapt 7 Dec William the son of Thomas Pankerst
1679 Bapt 14 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Pankherst by Margaret his wife
1685 Bapt 14 July Hannah the daughter of Thomas Pankherst by Elizabeth his wife
1686 Bapt 11 Jan Ann the daughter of Thomas Pankherst by Ann his wife
1689 Bapt 7 Jan Thomas the son of Thomas Pankerst by Ann his wife
1690 Bapt 31 Dec Ann the daughter of Thomas Pankerst by Ann his wife
1693 Bapt 15 Apr Thomas the son of Thomas Pankhurst by Ann his wife
1700 Bapt 14 Aug Thomas the son of Thomas Pankhurst by Ann his wife
1723 Bapt 12 Feb Thomas the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankurst
1725 Bapt 4 Apr Anne the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst
1725 Bapt 20 Mch William the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst
1729 Bapt 27 Apr Thomas the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst
1730 Bapt 29 Nov (blank) the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst (BT says child is Mary)
1732 Bapt 30 Jan Mary the daughter of Thomas Pankhurst and Elizabeth his wife
1734 Bapt 21 Feb Thomas the son of Thomas Pankhurst (BT says mother is Elizabeth
1738 Bapt 9 July Ann the daughter of Thomas Pankhurst
Between 1738 and 1753 there are no entries
Hope the above will be of use to you - I love the name Unfayned Pankest, a 'Thatcher' with a daughter named 'Increase'
Chris in 1066
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That's great Chris, thanks very much
Pauline
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Pauline
Hi again
Here are the burials between 1612 and 1753 for Heathfield
1615 Buried 17 Apr Susan the daughter of Nicholas Pankhurst
1622 Buried 26 May Robert Pankest
1626 Buried 10 Mch Richard Pankest (BT says 16 Mch)
1627 Buried 23 Aug Rachell Pankest
1629 Buried 14 June William Pankost the son of Francis Pankest
1647 Buried 19 Dec Anne the wife of Richard Pankerst
1648 Buried 10 Apr Thomas the son of Richard Pankerst
1649 Buried 3 Apr Jone the wife of William Pankerst
1649 Buried 19 Dec William Pankerst
1652 Buried 4 Mch an unbaptized child of Richard Pankerst
1653 Buried 28 Mch Richard the son of Richard Pankerst
1662 Buried 11 July Thomas Pankherst
1665 Buried 25 Mch widow Pankherst
1670 Buried 13 Oct Lyda the wife of Richard Pankherst
1677 Buried 14 Jan Margaret the wife of Thomas Pankherst
1689 Buried 15 Jan Thomas Pankerst
1699 Buried 12 Apr Henry Pankhurst
1725 Buried 3 Apr Ann the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst
1725 Buried 28 Apr the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst
1727 Buried 25 June William the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pankhurst an infant
1729 Buried 13 July Thomas Pankhurst
1742 Buried 13 Oct Thomas Pankhurst
1749 Buried 20 May the widow Pankhurst
I will get on to the marriages shortly
Chris in 1066
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Pauline
And here are your Pankhurst marriage details 1612 to 1753 at Heathfield (the first entry looks very familiar dosen't it)
1612 Married 8 Feb Unfained Pankherst and Dorothy Gir
1628 Married 16 Feb Thomas Pankest and Elizabeth Monke
1631 Married 14 June Thomas Putland and Marget Pankerst
1650 Married 17 Dec John Sampson and Jone Pankerst
1652 Married 1 Nov Sampsen Stace and Margaret Pankerst
1661 Married Jan Thomas Pankerst and Mary Munke
1662 Married 28 July Richard Pankherst and Lydia Humphry
1668 Married 23 Feb Alexander Bissenden and Mary Pankerst (BT says both of Heathfield)
1672 Married 23 Sep Richard Pankherst and Replenish Prior
1674 Married 16 Feb Thomas Pankherst and Margaret Roberts (BT says she of Heathfield)
1678 Married 4 Apr John Crouch and Anne Pankherst (BT has Mary Pankherst)
1705 Married 3 Feb John Crouch and Mary Pankhurst both of this parish
1723 Married 21 Apr Thomas Pankurst and Elizabeth Huggett both of this parish by banns
1740 Married 22 Feb Philip Stokes and Ann Pankhurst by banns
1746 Married 1 Apr Samuel Dan of Burwash and Elizabeth Pankhurst by banns
No further entries up to 1753
Chris in 1066
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Once again, thanks Chris. You are producing the lists faster than I can read them!
Pauline
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Pauline
Your 'LUCK' and variants entries in the Marriage Register of Heathfield between 1612 and 1753
1616 Married 4 Mch Thomas Longly and Mary Lucke widow
1626 Married 6 June Josias Michell and Joane Luck
1633 Married 6 Aug Edward Whitely and Elizabeth Lucke widow both of Mayfield
1676 Married 19 Dec William Daw and Mary Luck
1691 Married 7 May Thomas Bawcom and Elizabeth Luck
1745 Married 30 Apr William Moon and Mary Luck both of this parish by banns
1753 Married 22 May Thomas Cornford and Lydia Luck by banns
Deaths will follow after I have had a cup of Tea
Chris in 1066
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Pauline
Finally - the burials for LUCK and Variant 1612 to 1753 for Heathfield
Nothing between 1612 and 1713
1714 Buried 30 Apr Mary Luck the wife of Thomas Luck
1716 Buried 23 Feb Joseph Luck from Warbleton a rippier
1718 Buried 3 Dec Hugh the son of Thomas Luck
1731 Buried 23 Oct Mary the wife of John Luck
1731 Buried 29 Oct Thomas Luck junior
1719 Buried 9 Nov Thomas Luck aged about 90
1743 Buried 19 May John the son of John Luck
1743 Buried 30 Jan Elizabeth the wife of John Luck
1753 Buried 13 Sep Joseph Luck
And that as they say is your lot
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Good to see you back again and thanks for looking at the Curtis family for me. Unfortunately my Ann Curtis was not one of them, so again she possibly didn't come from Heathfield. I love tidying up others research. ::) ::)
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Strangely enough, it does feel good to be back
I went through a period of gloom in April - July this year and just didnt want to sign on to the boards at all, although I kept tabs on my web site.
The recent holiday in Somerset seems to have cleaned the system out though and I have enjoyed posting for this last couple of days - now I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with all the messages.
Thanks for your kind thoughts
Chris in 1066
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Well its certainly good to have you back and I hope you feel we looked after the Sussex boards in your absence. As always in Sussex there seems to be a lot of sharing of families and we all seem to be discovering links to one another ::) ::) ::)
They didn't get out much, these Sussex folk ;D ;D
Kerry
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Chris, thank for that we missed you on the boards
so a big welcome back and now i can crck on with the lucks once again
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Toni
My apologies, I didnt realize I was holding you back.
Good luck with your new information though
Chris in 1066
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Many thanks Chris...that will keep me quiet for a while
Pauline
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Chris you wasnt holding me back but have given me a new incentive to search them so thanks again
Toni
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Hi Chris
Are you able to help me with the baptism of Mary Crouch born 1621? She married William Harmer in 1643, Heathfield and I'd like to know who her parents were.
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
The only entry that I can find is the following
1613 18th April Mary Crouche, daughter of John
Hope that helps
Chris
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Kerry
Not sure who the wife of Jon is, but this is the only marriage in that time period in the Marriage Register
1612 Married 7 July John A’Crouch and Marie Putland
CXhris
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Kerry
Other children to John and ? (possibly Marie)
1615 Bapt 7 Apr William the son John A’Crouche
1617 Bapt 8 Mch Grace the daughter of John Crouch
1620 Bapt 24 Sep Ursula the daughter of John Crouch
1622 Bapt 2 Feb Susan Crouch the daughter of Jhon Crouch
1624 Bapt 6 Mch Jane Crouch daughter of Jhon Crouch (BT has father as Thomas and child as Joane)
1627 Bapt 28 Oct Jhon Crouch son of Jhon Crouch
That is all that is in the transcripts that I have
Chris in 1066
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Kerry
Looking at the Burials we have:
1649 Buried 12 May Mary the wife of John Crouch senior
1650 Buried 28 Aug Jane the daughter of John Crouch
1652 Buried 30 Sep John the son of John Crouch
1655 Buried 9 Dec John Crouch
Chris
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Thanks Chris
That may just be the right one, I'm not sure the tree on the IGI goes on real records ::) ::)
Kerry
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Chris
Can I be an absolute pain (I bet you wish I didn't have quite so much family in Heathfield) ;D and ask for you to look up baptisms and marriages for HARMAR and HARMOR/HARMOUR
This morning I was looking at my Harmer family and found quite a few burials I didn't have before on Find my past under these three surnames.
I know you were kind enough back on page 8 of this thread to search for Harmer for me, but these three surnames might just fill in some gaps!
Thank you Chris :-* and if I can ever return the favour I will!
Kerry
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Kerry
Are we looking at any particular time frame (makes it a lot easier for me ;D)
or are we looking at pre 1613 or 1613 to 1753
Will do the electronic search later today
Chris
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Kerry
Just had a quick scan - there are not many pre 1613, so here they are
1599 Buried 10 Apr Richard Harmer
1600 Married 29 Sep John Duke and Ann Harmar
1600 Buried 18 Oct John Harmer
1600 Buried 18 Dec Margeret Woodam the servant of Richard Harmer
1601 Bapt 11 Oct Frances Harmer the son of Richarde Harmer
1610 Married 28 Jan John Harmer of Hellingly and Sara Wickenden of this parish
1612 Married 27 Apr Retorne Harmer and Joane Bucher
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
1613 to 1753 I guess ;D
It looks like pre 1613 they were all Harmer rather than Harmar or Harmor, perhaps the new vicar after that time was not quite hot on spelling. ::)
Kerry
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Kerry
Just had a quick look at 1613 to 1753
Looks as though there is about 50 of the Harmer/or/ar/ etc Baptisms between those dates - will do it after had my dinner
Chris
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Thanks Chris and enjoy your dinner - I can smell roast something or other ;D ;D
Kerry
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Kerry
Yes, it was Roast Beef and Yokshire Pudd etc - but fell asleep afterwards - sorry
Here are your Baptisms from Heathfield Registers between 1613 and 1753
1616 Bapt 1 Apr Sarah the daughter of John Harmer (BT states that the father is a labourer)
1618 Bapt 7 June Margarett the daughter of John Harmer
1622 Bapt 24 Nov Elisabeth Harmer the daughter of John Harmer
1644 Bapt 9 June John the son of William Harmer
1649 Bapt 11 Oct William the son of William Harmer
1649 Bapt 10 Mch Jonah the son of Anthony Harmer
1649 Bapt 23 Mch William the son of William Harmer
1651 Bapt 2 Nov Mary the daughter of Anthony Harmer
1653 Bapt 28 Aug Mary the daughter of William Harmer
1654 Born 5 May Elizabeth the daughter of Antony Harmor
1658 Bapt 28 Mch Ann the daughter of William Harmor
1659 Bapt 29 May Thomas the son of Anthony Harmor
1661 Bapt 18 Apr Mergery the daughter of William Harmer
1662 Bapt 18 Sep Thomas the son of William Harmer
1665 Bapt 25 June Josiah the son of Williiam Harmer
1672 Bapt 21 Mch Susanna the daughter of William Harmor by Susanna his wife
1674 Bapt 17 Sep Mary the daughter of William Harmar by Susanna his wife
1674 Bapt 10 Nov John the son of John Harmor by Susanna his wife
1677 Bapt 13 Apr Sarah the daughter of William Harmor by Susan his wife
1678 Bapt 4 Mch Mary the daughter of William Harmor by Susan his wife
1680 Bapt 29 June Thomas the son of John Harmor by Susan his wife
1681 Bapt 16 Jan Daniel the son of John Harmor by Susan his wife
1685 Bapt 12 Dec Joseph the son of John Harmor by Susan his wife
1690 Bapt 20 June Susan the daughter of John Harmor by Susan his wife
1690 Bapt 20 June Thomas the son of the said John Harmor by Susan his wife
1695 Bapt 13 May John the son of Thomas Harmor by Margaret his wife
1698 Bapt 9 Mch Josiah the son of Josiah Harmar by Ann his wife
to be continued
Chris
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Kerry
Here are the rest
1700 Bapt 20 Sep Thomas the son of Thomas Harmar by Margaret his wife
1701 Bapt Sep Mary the daughter of Thomas Harmar
1703 Bapt 11 Apr Richard the son of John Harmer junior and Elizabeth his wife
1703 Bapt 24 June Mary the daughter of Josiah and Ann Harmor
1717 Bapt 15 Apr Richard the son of Josiah and Ann Harmer
1723 Bapt 2 Jan John the son oof John and Elizabeth Harmer
1725 Bapt 14 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of John and Elizabeth Harmer
1730 Bapt 23 Feb Sarah the daughter of William and Susanna Harmer
1731 Bapt 5 Mch Sarah the daughter of John and Elizabeth Harmar
1735 Bapt 10 July John the son of John Harmer by Katherine his wife
1736 Bapt 16 Oct Thomas the son of John Harmer by Elizabeth his wife
1736 Bapt 23 Oct Jane the daughter of William Harmer by Susannah his wife
1737 Bapt 3 Dec Ann the daughter of William Harmer by Mary his wife
1740 Bapt 18 Nov Richard the son of Richard Harmer by Sarah his wife
1744 Bapt 29 Apr Samuel the son of John Harmer by Katherine his wife
1744 Bapt 8 July John the son of William Harmer by Mary his wife
1746 Bapt 15 Jan Thomas the son of Richard Harmer by Sarah his wife
1749 Bapt 14 Oct Elizabeth the daughter of Joseph Harmner by Elizabeth his wife
1750 Bapt 9 Jan Ann the daughter of Joseph Harmer by Ann his wife
1751 Bapt 6 Apr Thomas the son of Thomas Harmer by Mary his wife
1751 Bapt 12 Dec Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Harmer by Mary his wife
1753 Bapt 18 Mch Joseph the son of Joseph Harmer by Ann his wife
Going to have a cup of Tea now, will then do the rest of your enquiry
Chris in 1066
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Kerry
Here are your marriages 1613 to 1753
1615 Bapt 18 Mch Joseph the son of Joseph Harmer by Ann his wife
1617 Married 27 July John Harmer and Margaret Walkott
1627 Married 26 Dec Thomas Oliffe and Margaret Harmer
1629 Married 21 June Joseph Harmer and Anne Gower (BT only)
1629 Married 22 Oct Mr Robert Smith gentleman and Mary Harmer (BT only)
1634 Married 8 Oct Antonie Goddene and Constance Harmer (BT says Anthonie Godwin)
1639 Married 30 Nov John Hope and Mary Harmer
1642 Married 28 Apr Thomas Crouch and Mary Harmer
1643 Married 17 Aug William Harmer and Mary Chrouch
1670 Married 9 Mch Francis Durrant and Letice Harmor
1672 Married 28 May William Harman and Susanna Brooker
1672 Married 23 July Abel Foster and Elizabeth Harmar of Ashburnham
1673 Married 10 June John Harmor and Susanna Taylor
1694 Married 27 Nov Thomas Harmor and Margaret Holms
1697 Married 1 Mch Josiah Harmer and Ann Curtis
1717 Married 17 July John Cornford junior of Warbleton and Susannah Harmer of this parish
1721 Married 29 Sep Allen Daw and Ann Harmer both sojourners in the parish by banns
1722 Married 22 Apr John Harmer and Mary Lustead widow both of this parish by banns
1722 Married 9 Sep Joseph Harmer and Elizabeth Taylor both of this parish by banns
1723 Married 9 Sep John Harmer and Elizabeth Vallence both of this parish by banns
1726 Married 17 June George Oxley of Waldron and Mary Harmerr of this parish by license
1727 Married 9 Sep Edward Daw and Elizabeth Harmerr both of this parish by banns
1729 Married 10 Aug William Harmer and Susanna Baker both of this parish by banns
1734 Married 14 Nov John Harmer and Katherine Evenden both of this parish by banns
1745 Married 21 July George Roberts and Mary Harmer both of this parish by banns
1748 Married 17 Jan Thomas Harmer and Mary Gurr both of this parish by banns
and that appears to be the lot Kerry - have fun,
Chris
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Many thanks Chris
There's some beauties in there ;D ;D
Kerry
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Hi Chris,
Would you please check the Heathfield Parish Register for any entries relating to the surnames Morfey and Stonestreet, I'd be very grateful.
Ian
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Hi there Ian
Baptisms for Morfey and / or Stonestreet between 1612 and 1753
NILL
Marriages for Morfey and / or Stonestreet between the same dates as above
1750 Married 29 Sep Samuel Stonestreet and Lucy Stredwick by banns
Burials for the same names and dates as above
NILL
So, I think we can safely say that Morfey and / or Stonestreet were not residents of Heathfield up to 1753
Chris in 1066
NB - Some entries that cracked me up when I did an electronic search using MOR as the key letters were
Morehope Curtise (female)
Moremercy Curtis (female)
Morefruite Court (female)
Morefruite Luffe (male)
Moremercie Curtis (male)
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the searches, at least there is one marriage there.
Even the negatives are useful for elimination purposes.
Thanks again,
Ian
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Hi Chris
Would you mind taking a look at Peckham for me.
I am particularly looking for a William Peckham born about 1681
Thank you :-*
Kerry
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Hi Chris, it is very kind of you to offer info on Heathfield. I am looking for the parents of Richard Fuller b abt 1668 and also his marriage to Mary Waters abt 1796. Any help you can give me will be gratefully appreciated. Regards Poppyann.
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Chris seems to be AWOL for a while so I hope people don't mind me butting in.
Hi Kerry,
From the PRTS's CD of Beverly Roth's transcript of the Heathfield baptism register:
1681 24 Jan William the son of Thomas PECKHAM by Elizabeth his wife
The year looks very old style to me.
Hi Poppyann,
From the same source:
1667 20 Feb Richard the son of Thomas FULLER
Again the year looks old style, so 1668 in our terms. No mother is named - I tried looking for other baptisms with Thomas as the father but there was only one and again it didn't name a mother. For the record the other child of Thomas (assuming he hadn't a namesake) was:
Margaret, bp 20 Nov 1666
I couldn't find a marriage for Thomas, but these are possibly Richard's:
1695 16 Apr Richard FULLER and Mary WATERS
1710 25 May Richard FULLER and Suzan BENE
These burials may be of interest:
1692 21 May Margaret the wife of Thomas FULLER (BT entry only)
1708 4 Oct Mary the wife of Richard FULLER (BT only)
1713 7 Jan Thomas FULLER the butcher (year looks old style)
1736 19 Mch Richard FULLER (OS year again)
1743 26 July Susannah FULLER widow
HTH,
Stovepipe
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Thanks for that Stovepipe. :)
Chris hasn't been about all week, perhaps he's Christmas shopping, or avoiding it somewhere ::) ;D ;)
Kerry
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Thanks for the info Stovepipe, it has been very useful. Would it be possible for you to help me find the parents of Mary Waters, she was born abt 1675. Just as a matter of interest when Richards son Richard married he and his wife moved to Brightling where there were a lot of Fullers. Regards Poppyann
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Hi Poppyann
I have a Harmer who married a Fuller of Brightling, have you seen the Fuller family tree - http://www.angelfire.com/planet/madjack/index.htm
Kerry
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Hi Poppyann
Baptisms
6 Apr 1645 Richard the son of Thomas WATERS (no mother named)
24 Nov 1650 Richard the son of Richard WATERS (no mother named)
Marriage
2 June 1670 Richard WATERS and Sara WOOD
(BT says both of Heathfield)
More baptisms
15 June 1671 Elizabeth the daughter of Richard WATERS by Sarah his wife
3 Jan 1672/3 Richard the son = ditto =
15 Feb 1675/6 Mary the daughter = ditto =
30 Jan 1680/1 Thomas the son = ditto =
27 May 1683 John the son = ditto =
I couldn't find a baptism for Sarah WOOD
If the Richard who married Sarah was Thomas's son this burial may be that of his mother.
27 Feb 1646/7 Elizabeth the wife of Thomas WATERS
If not this may be his father's burial
21 Feb 1661/2 Richard WATERS the elder
Other burials
27 Dec 1673 Thomas WATERS
23 Jul 1706 Sarah the wife of Richard WATERS (BT only)
15 Nov 1708 Sarah the daughter of Richard WATERS widower (BT only)
26 Dec 1723 Richard WATERS
15 May 1742 Richard WATERS from Mayfield (bit late, this one, but thrown in for completeness)
HTH,
Stovepipe
(PS I've tentatively identified a Fuller in my tree, too - Elizabeth, born about 1725 - so thanks, Kerry, for the link!)
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We seem to be interlinking here Stovepipe, ::)
The name Waters rang bells with me and I have an unproved baptism of Sarah Waters on 17 December 1769 at Heathfield, which I need to prove especially as my information says she was born in Battle. Parents Thomas Waters and Ann unknown.
Would you be able to check her baptism and see if there are any other around the same time to a Thomas and Ann?
She married into the Stonestreet family in Brightling.
Kerry
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Sorry, Kerry, my source ends in 1753 the same as Chris's and there's no WATER(S) baptism after 1738 up to its end.
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Thanks again Stovepipe I am grateful for your help Regards Poppyann
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Hi Kerry, yes I have seen the Fuller website. I also have the name Harmer in my tree but they were born in Herstmoncuex. Regards Poppyann
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Sorry, Kerry, my source ends in 1753 the same as Chris's and there's no WATER(S) baptism after 1738 up to its end.
Sorry Stovepipe, I actually realised that as I lay in bed last night. ::) ::) Blame it on having too much to do!
Kerry
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Hi Kerry, yes I have seen the Fuller website. I also have the name Harmer in my tree but they were born in Herstmoncuex. Regards Poppyann
Poppyann
My Harmers came from Heathfield, but there are lots around Sussex, apparently two main strands - Heathfield and Salehurst.
Kerry
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Hi again
I don't suppose there is a Thomas Waters baptised around 1740 ish??
Kerry
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Kerry,
Again, no joy. The latest WATERS baptism was Elizabeth d. of Richard & Mary baptised 2 Feb 1737/8 - no WATERS after that to the end of the transcript. Before that were just two in the first decade of the 18th century to Thomas & Mary, but none where the child was Thomas. The closest Thomas WATERS before that was as early as 12 May 1684, son of Thomas & Catharine.
(Sorry I can't easily give you a mass lookup - as Chris very helpfully does - 'cos my source doesn't permit cut-n-paste, so I have to type everything out manually.)
If it's any help the Mayfield register has the following baptism:
30 Mch 1740 Thomas the son of Richard and Mary Waters
I couldn't find the baptism of any sibling.
Regards,
Stovepipe
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Thanks Stovepipe
I can disregard the many entries on the IGI submitted as wrong then ::) :) they had him baptised at Heathfield 1737 to 1740.
There was an option for Mayfield, I shall have to look into that one after all Mayfield is not that far from Heathfield anyway. ;D
Kerry
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Hi All
Thanks Stovepipe for filling in for me.
Unfortunately I caught a virus which knocked me backwards for a few days and that allowed the flue to take advantage and sneak in, so spent the last 8 days in bed - but glad to say am now moving about again.
Hope to be back on the boards again from now
Chris
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Get well soon Chris we missed you! ;) :)
Kerry
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Hi Chris and Sue9.
I was reading the full set of posts to this thread to see whether I could pick up any bluebirds and saw the post from Sue9 on 26/10/2007 (better late than never says I).
It said in part
"I'm trying to find the marriage of the parents of Jonadab (Thomas and Katherine Mascall.)"
The Jonadab concerned was born in 1737 in Burwash. I've previously picked up info from Sue9 about Jonadab Mascall and Ann Gurr who are my 5xg grandparents, and I wondered if Sue had progressed with Thomas and Katherine at all.
All the Mascall posts are of great interest as well. I'll be returning to those before too long.
Regards
Alan Muggridge
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Hi Alan
My Mascall family are quite far back on my tree and I've not done much research on them but I look forward to seeing what you come up with and whether we have a link through this family.
I'm glad we have parents for Jonadab at last.
Kerry :)
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Hi Alan
I'm struck on Thomas and Katherine Mascall cant find a marriage - there is a Thomas born around 1705 to Richard Mascall and Elizabeth Walter at Heathfield.
There are several marriages on SMI for a Thomas none to a Katherine (so was Katherine her bpt name)
I cant find the deaths of Thomas or Katherine Mascall? can anyone help!
I have the will of Richard Mascall there is a Thomas is in the will.
I cant find a will for Thomas Mascall but I do have the will of Jonadab Mascall.
Regards
Sue
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Thanks Sue and Kerry.
I'm not much help I'm afraid. I'll be changing my subscription back in March, but I guess that will just give me access to internet sources you already have.
Keep me in mind - there is always the possibility that I could help with Australian queries if any of your people have gone that far astray. As a first generation Australian on both sides I haven't actually had to work with local resources, but I am a lot closer.
Regards
Alan
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Hi Alan
My gr. grandparents died in Australia could be have a look around and see if you can find some dates for me.
Benjamin Mascall (Maskell) born 1864 in Heathfield East Sussex and his wife Elizabeth Ruth born 1865. One of their sons Charles Ernest Maskell married in 1929 and on the newpaper cutting it stated that Mr & Mrs B. Maskell of Marrickville, New South Wales.
I dont know what year for my gr. grandparents went to Australia - my mum never knew her Maskell grandparents.
Regards
Sue
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Hi Sue
In the very near future (a few days) I'll be subscribing to a service that gives me access to some Australian databases and I'll see what I can find. We have a predicted 44 degrees Celsius today (111 degrees F), and my action plan is to spend the day in an air conditioned computer centre, so I'll see what can be accessed without subscription.
As I indicated earlier, I haven't actually had to look at Australian sources before (my parents were both immigrants to Australia), so allow a little time for my learning curve.
In a previous post responding (in part) to you I said:
"Sue,
Jonadab Mascal and Catherine Gurr must be my 5xgr grandparents as well as yours. If I'm reading an internet consanguinity table correctly, this makes us sixth cousins!"
I'm guessing (well, it's not too hard) that Benjamin is either a descendant of Jonadab or at least related, and at some point I'd love to get the intermediate connections.
More soon
Alan
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Hi Sue.
A preliminary result which doesn't add much.
There was a death notice in the Sydney Morning Herald 22/4/1940 MASKELL, Elizabeth Ruth. No detail available, but the index entry says she died 20/4/1940 aged 74. That sounds like your Elizabeth Ruth.
The NSW government site www.bdm.nsw.gov.au /familyHistory has a death and a marriage in the relevant index.
The death is MASKELL Elizabeth Ruth, ref 12881/1940, Father William, Mother Mary [no surnames given], district Marrickville. Certificates can be bought at that website, and the cost is $AUD27.00 (somewhere around $US19, no idea where we stand with Euros at the moment).
The marriage looks like the one you mention: reference 15953/1928 MASKELL Charles E to SAUNDERSON Vera A, Auburn NSW. Certificates available in the same way and at the same savage cost.
Shipping looks harder at this stage. We will need some timings I think. I guess the earliest Benjamin would have migrated would be the early 1880s, and theoretically the latest is 1928. Did Benjamin and Elizabeth marry in England, or did he meet her here...and if the former, do we know if Charles was born there or here. The site above allows the birth index to be checked up to 1908, and there is no birth for Charles 1880-1908, at least in NSW.
I realise the questions implied above are probably the very ones that you hope to answer of course. I'll keep chipping away quietly.
Alan
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Hi Alan
Thanks so much for Elizabeth Ruth Maskell death.
Her father was William Slarks and mother Mary Goldsmith she was born 1863 in Waldron East Sussex.
Charles Ernest Maskell married Vera Saunderson in 1929 (he was their youngest surviving son)
I did meet Charles Ernest (Uncle Ernie) in the 1960s when he came over to see his brother my granddad.
My mum thinks that Uncle Ernie and Uncle Frank joined the Australia Navy in WW1 and decided to live in Australia after the war and they send for their parents to come over - my granddad would not go because he had a young family.
In my Mascall tree I have two lots of Mascalls marrying Muggridge.
Harriett Mascall married George Muggridge in Heathfield 6/2/1832
Ann Mascall married Richard Muggridge in Heathfield 23/10/1780
I'm not sure if Richard and George are connected. On George Muggrige marriage cert. witness was a William Muggridge.
I will send you PM.
Hope its not to hot for you - they say we are going to get snow in the next few days!!!
Regards
Sue
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Hi Sue.
I was just working out where your George might fit when I noticed an anomaly in my own data layout; on close inspection I may have mucked something up rather badly. Please bear with me over the weekend and I'll sort it out. I don't want to post something and drag everyone else into confusion with me.
Alan
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Hi Chris
Would you mind looking up for the name Oliver?
Kerry
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Kerry
Is this what you were looking for
1661 Bapt 23 Feb Jane the daughter of Joseph Oliver
1665 Bapt 30 Apr William the son of Jos Oliver
1669 Bapt 4 July Nicholas the son of Joseph Oliver (BT says by Mary his wife)
1672 Bapt 12 Mch John the son of Joseph Oliver by Mary his wife
1676 Bapt 4 June Thomas the son of Joseph Oliver by Mary his wife
1696 Bapt 28 May Elizabeth the daughter of William Oliver by Elizabeth his wife
1698 Bapt 18 Sep Josias the son of John Oliver (BT by Jone his wife)
1698 Bapt 11 Dec Thomas the son of William Oliver?
1700 Bapt 27 Feb John the son of John Oliver by Ann his wife
1703 Bapt 2 Apr Ann the daughter of John and Ann Oliver
1703 Bapt 15 Dec William the son of William and Elizabeth Oliver
1727 Bapt 17 Feb Joseph the son of Joseph and Mary Oliver
1730 Bapt 1 July Mary the daughter of Joseph and Mary Oliver
1731 Bapt 10 Oct Thomas the son of Joseph and Mary Oliver
1735 Bapt 25 Dec John the son of Joseph Oliver by Mary his wife
1740 Bapt 14 Aug David the son of Joseph Oliver by Mary his wife
Chris in 1066
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That's exactly what I was looking for Chris.
Thank you :-*
Kerry
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Hi again Kerry
Here are the Burials between 1613 and 1753 at Heathfield
1676 Buried Sep Jane Oliver
1694 Buried 30 June John Oliver
1713 Buried 24 Jan Mary Oliver widow
1729 Buried 17 Oct Mary Oliver widow
1741 Buried 18 June David the son of Joseph Oliver
1747 Buried 22 Jan Mary the wife of Joseph Oliver
1747 Buried 14 Feb Joseph Oliver
1749 Buried 23 Aug Richard the son of Oliver Phipps
Hope that is satisfactory
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
Kerry :)
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Hi Chris,
Would it be possible to have a look for any of the Dancy(/Dancey/Daney) family in Heathfield?
Regards,
Penny
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Penny
Hi there
Sorry to say its a negative reply for Dancy(/Dancey/Daney) family in Heathfield?
between 1613 and 1753
Sorry about that
Chris in 1066
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Chris,
Thanks very much for looking tho
Penny
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Hi Chris
Would like a lookup on any Manser births etc in Heathfield Parish
kind regards
Barbara
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Hio Barbara
Have checked the Baptism Registers for Heathfield for the period 1613 to 1753 and unfortunately the name MANSER does not appear.
Also checked the Marriage and Burial for the same period - again a NILL result I am afraid
Sorry
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Would you mind doing a check on Thomas Oliver marriages?
I have looked on the SMI and can't find any. However I have a thomas Oliver who married in 1725 in Herstmoncoeux and had children in Warbleton. Couldn't find his baptism and for some reason that I'm not sure of I and other contacts had dismissed the Thomas Oliver born 1698 in Heathfield but now I am thinking he is looking very likely to have been our Thomas.
So by every possible means I want to look at whether he is our man. There don't seem to be any burials for him.
Many thanks
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Sorry, nothing comes up.
Here are the entries for 1724/26
1724
Married 16 Apr Thomas Chipper sojourner in this parish and Mary Jeffery by banns
Married 17 Nov Edward Dear of Burwash and Elizabeth Durrant of this parish by license
1725
Married 30 Mch John Brown of Ashburnham and Susannah Clapson of this parish by banns
Married 28 Apr Thomas Rhodes and Sarah Goringe both of this parish by license
Married 29 Apr William Hoad of Hurstmonceaux and Mary Clapson of this parish by certificate
Married 30 Apr John Field of Ticehurst and Jane Read of this parish by banns
Married 6 May Arthur Brook of Wilmington and Mercy Wyatt widow of Burwash by license
Married 11 May Thomas Haselden and Mary Stephens both of this parish by banns
Married 21 Mar Joseph Mepham and Margaret Howell both of this parish by license
1726
Married 18 Apr Samuel Atkins of East Hoathly and Hannah Hammond widow of Burwash by license
Married 9 June John Butler and Elizabeth Hicks both of the parish of Burwash by license
Married 17 June George Oxley of Waldron and Mary Harmerr of this parish by license
Married 29 Sep Robert Giles and Martha Laurance both of this parish by banns
Married 21 Nov Richard Parsons of Hawkhurst and Elizabeth Byne of Burwash by certificate
Married 11 Feb Mr Robert Streatfield of Brasted in Kent and Mrs Mary Dyke of Burwash widow
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
Could be the one then :) He didn't die young and didn't marry in Heathfield.
Kerry
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Hio Barbara
Have checked the Baptism Registers for Heathfield for the period 1613 to 1753 and unfortunately the name MANSER does not appear.
Also checked the Marriage and Burial for the same period - again a NILL result I am afraid
Sorry
Chris in 1066
Thanks Chris for the lookup, I will just keep searching
Barbara
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Hello Chris,
Could you possibly search for any Kentfields, Kenfield, Kentifill please. I am trying to find out where my Berkshire Kentfields originated,
Thank you,
Abiam
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Hi Abiam
Just done an electronic search through the Heathfield Registers (baptisms and Burials) for your Kentfield and variants.
Unfortunately it did not find anything other than the names listed below
Kennerd, Kennard, Kent, Kensle, Kengewood, Kente, Kennit,
which were obviously not what you were looking for
Sorry about that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Thank you so much for such a quick reply, much appreciated,
Cheers,
Abiam
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Hi
I have someone asking me about a Frederick Hughan born in Heathfield Park around 1817. I don't suppose you might be able to tell me if you have him anywhere?
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Hi Charlynet
First of all Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards - one of the Best
Unfortunately the transcripts of the Heathfield Registers that I have are from 1613 - 1753 so am unable to identify anyone as late as 1817
Sorry about that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for the offer.Just wondered if there were any Crossinghams on the lists.
Many thanks
Jimf
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H Jimf
Sorry mate, the surname Crossingham or variant does not appear in the Parish Register Transcripts that I have of Heathfield 1613 - 1753
Apologies for that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for looking.At least it stops me wondering if they were there.
Jimf
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Hi Chris
Although we have had a look at the Heathfield Parish Registers manually some years back it would be brilliant to have an electronic saerch to check we haven't missed anything. If this is not difficult would love to see the results for Oxley/Oxly.
Thanks
Dave
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Hi Dave
First of all welcome to Rootschat and especially the Suusex Boards which we think are one of the best
Will do your check for Oxley and variants in a short while - got to finish putting the dinner on first
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris
No Hurry, whatever you do don't burn the dinner!
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Hi Dave
Here are the Heathfield Baptisms for Oxley and variants between 1613 and 1753.
1724 Bapt 8 June William the son of William and Eleanor Oxley
1725 Bapt 9 Jan Richard the son of Richard and Susannah Oxly
1726 Bapt 4 Feb Thomas the son of George Oxley and Mary his wife
1726 Bapt 14 Dec Susannah the daughter of Richard and Susannah Oxley
1728 Bapt 29 Sep Sarah the daughter of Richard and Susanna Oxley
1728 Bapt 27 Nov William the son of George and Mary Oxley
1732 Bapt 28 July William the son of Richard Oxley and Susannah his wife
1732 Bapt 14 Mch Thomas the son of George Oxley and Mary his wife
1732 Bapt 27 Oct Mary the daughter of Richard Oxley by Susannah his wife
1735 Bapt 11 Apr David the son of George Oxley of Waldron by Mary his wife
1738 Bapt 21 Jan Ann the daughter of Richard Oxley by Susan his wife
1744 Bapt 24 Mch Elizabeth the daughter of Richard Oxley
1753 Bapt 5 Jan Susannah the daughter of William Oxley junior by Mary his wife
1753 Bapt 14 Mch Lucy the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Oxley
Hope it was what you were expecting
Chris in 1066
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Hi Dave
Not many burials I am afraid, only 4 in 80 odd years between 1613 and 1753
1676 Buried 18 Sep the illegitimate child of Anne Oxley by John Fuller
1727 Buried 2 Dec George the son of Geoerge Oxley and Mary his wife an infant
1735 Buried 30 Apr David the infant son of George Oxley
1753 Buried 15 Apr Lucy the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Oxley
Hope that helps in your research
Chris in 1066
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Hi Dave
and Finally the Marriages of your Oxley and variant between 1613 and 1753 in Heathfield
1634 Married 4 Nov George Okesle (=Oxley?) and Elisabeth Osborne (BT says he of Penburie in Kent)
1653 Married 29 Sep Thomas Luxford and Sarah Oxlie
1673 Married 24 Feb John Goodman and Elizabeth Oxley (BT says he of Waldron and she of Heathfield)
1719 Married 7 Apr Thomas Oxly of Hellingly and Elizabeth Baker of Chiddingly by certificate
1726 Married 17 June George Oxley of Waldron and Mary Harmerr of this parish by license
1749 Married 10 Apr Robert Holman of Ashburnham and Susan Oxley by certificate
1751 Married 29 Oct William Oxley and Mary Dearing by banns
1753 Married 12 June John Lavender and Mary Oxley by banns
The entries when transcribed were checked with the Bishops transcripts and any variation or additional information was added to the transcript. In some cases the original register was missing and the BT's filled in the missing entries / years
Hope the above is ok for you
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thanks for all that information, It's funny how very few died! I think what happened was the families moved to Heathfield Independant Chapel to worship and we picked up most of them there . Do you want to know about any differences we have?
Thanks for all your help being able to search things electronically is a wonderful tool.
Regards
David
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David
Happy to oblige.
Just interested to see if I picked up on any that you missed - but its no big deal ;D
Chris in 1066
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Marriages were where you scored. We were missing the first three and the last! However, we had a baptism you didn't and one or two years that were different. Details of the differences are:
1741 Bapt 20 Dec John the son of Richard Oxley by Susan his wife (missing from your list)
1732 Bapt 27 Oct Mary the daughter of Richard Oxley by Susannah his wife (we have 1734)
1728 Bapt 29 Sep Sarah the daughter of Richard and Susanna Oxley (we have 1729)
1728 Bapt 27 Nov William the son of George and Mary Oxley (we have 1729)
1726 Bapt 14 Dec Susannah the daughter of Richard and Susannah Oxley (we have 1727)
Some of our figures were altered, however, so there is obviously some confusion/difficulty in reading the numbers.
Many, many thanks for all your input. It will be truely great when all the Sussex parish registers are electonically searchable.
David
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David
Opppps - Sorry - but it was there and I missed it
1741 Bapt 20 Dec John the son of Richard Oxeley by Susan his wife
Please forgive me for that
When they transcribed the documents, they did not feed them into a database for easy sorting and retrival, they were typed in a Word Document; so you have to use the search facility (in this case the letters OXL) to find them, (as you can see from the above it was spelt Oxe)and then retype them in another document i.e Rootschat Message Box
Well, thats my excuse anyway, and I am sticking by it ;D
Chris in 1066
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Nicky
This is the thread I was referring to
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
I noted that you were the coordinator for the FreeREG - Sussex. Would you like the Heathfield Register put on FreeReg. I am doing work for Dorset at present, as there wasn't any work available for Sussex, but then I remembered you had been really helpful with Heathfield and I think had some other registers as well. I could let you have my personal email if you want to send me any stuff.
Regards
David
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Hi Chris
Any chance you could check to see if there are any harmers in heathfield prior to 1765?
My ancestor (ancestress?) is Susannah Harmer born in Heathfield c 1761 acc IGI...
Many thanks
Mike
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Hi Mike
Harmers have already been done :) page 6 of this thread, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259177.75.html
I'm descended from them too, I'll have to have a look and see if Susanna is on my tree.
Kerry ;)
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for that - it saved me looking them all up again
Appreciate your help
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Pleasure, Harmer is one of those names that ring all sorts of bells for me :D
If I don't get chance to say, have a lovely Christmas and stay warm!
Kerry
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Thanks for that Kerry - I had done a search on Harmer but that post didn't show up :(
I see the transcripts don't go up to 1761, but the IGI had given a Joseph and Ann as the parents...
Susanna married a Samuel Lusted alias Cornford in 1789 - another confusing wee twig!
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Hi again Mike
Sorry I missed the 1753 bit. Blame it on snow!
I've taken a look at the Sussex Family History Group database and found her, she is indeed daughter of Joseph and ann and baptised on 12 April 1761.
Do you have her siblings?
Kerry
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Hi Chris
Would it be possible to look up a baptism of Mary Dearing which took place in 1730. I just want to check there was only one Mary Dearing from Heathfield around that time.
Thanks
David
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Hi David
Its the only one, but there are several more children prior to Mary - do you have them?
Bapt, 1730 5 Nov, Mary the daughter of John and Dorothy Dearing.
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris, apologies for not replying sooner. We have children of John Dearing (1683-1731) who married Dorothy Mepham (1694-1766) on 11 May 1715 as: John Dearing 1715; Christopher Dearing 1717-1757; Henry Dearing 1721; George Dearing 1724-1757 (married Mary Knight 1 Dec 1748); and of course Mary who married John Oxley whose information you have already checked for me.
Thanks for all you do. If you ever want help putting the Heathfield Registers onto FreeCEN i have done some of that work for Dorset.
Regards
David
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Hi David
I found these children:
1716 Bapt 22 Feb John the son of John and Dorothy Dearing
1717 Bapt 20 Oct Christopher the son of John and Dorothy Dearing
1720 Bapt 13 Apr Thomas the son of John and Dorothy Dearing
1721 Bapt 22 Oct Henry the son of John and Dorothy Dearing
1724 Bapt 26 Apr George the son of John and Dorothy Dearing
1726 Bapt 24 Apr Elizabeth the daughter of John Deering and Dorothy his wife
1730 Bapt 5 Nov Mary the daughter of John and Dorothy Dearing
I think that is two more children
Hope it helps
Chris in 1066
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Thanks again Chris. Are you happy to check back another generation?
Christopher Dearing/Deering and Elizabeth:
Elizabeth 1672
Ann 1674
John 1683
Mary 1689
and on the other side John Mepham and Dorothy?
Walter 1688
Susan 1690
Dorothy 1694
I'm sure there will be others missing. Checking someone else's tree so additional evidence always good.
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Hi Again
This is what i have found in the Registers:
1629 Bapt 7 Feb Christopher Deering the son of Christopher Deering
1634 Bapt 14 Sep John Dearing the son of Christofer Dearing
1636 Bapt 16 Oct Mary Dearing the daughter of Christopher Dearing
1639 Bapt 1 Sep Ann the daughter of Christopher Dearing
1641 Bapt 26 Aug Margery the daughter of Christopher Dearing
1644 Bapt 28 Apr Henry the son of Christopher Dearinge
1646 Bapt 29 Nov Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering
1649 Bapt 24 June James the son of Christopher Deering
1672 Bapt 16 May Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1674 Bapt 24 June Anne the daughter of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1676 Bapt 3 Jan Christopher the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1681 Bapt 23 May Thomas the son of Christopher Deering by Elizabeth his wife
1683 Bapt 8 Feb John the son of Christopher Deering and Elizabeth his wife was born 27 Dec
1689 Bapt 20 July Mary the daughter of Elizabeth Dearing widow (BT says father is Christopher Deering)
Looks like 2 Generations of Christopher's
Will do the others after dinner
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
If you have time are any Crossinghams in the Registers please.?
Thanks .Jim.
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Hi Jim
Being as the registerrs have been transcribed and fed ino a WORD document - it means I have to scroll through them all to find any info.
So, what am i looking for - Birth, Marriage or Deaths
Chris in 1066
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David
Sorry, went to sleep in the armchair after evening meal - but here are your requested entries from the Heathfield Registers
1679 Bapt 21 Apr Susan the daughter of John Mepham by Dorothy his wife
1682 Bapt 8 Jan Elizabeth the daughter of John Mepham and Dorothy his wife
1688 Bapt 23 Jan Walter the son of John Mepham by Dorothy his wife
1691 Bapt 24 July Thomas the son of John Mepham by Dorothy his wife
1695 Bapt Mary the daughter of John or Jeffery Mepham (This entry only in BT and squeezed
Between 2 lines and very difficult to decipher – could it be the entry below?)
1695 Bapt 16 Feb Dorothy the daughter of John Mepham by Dorothy his wife
Hope it was what you were looking for
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Once again many thanks. That ties in, although missing John in 1686 and Ann in 1690. I will leave them out for now.
Your help is always greatly appreciated, if I can help in anyway in return let me know.
Regards
David
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Hi Again
Went back and had another look - found these
1685 Bapt 15 Feb John the son of John Melpham by Dorothy his wife
This is the only reference to an Ann about tha time
1689 Bapt 5 Aug Ann the daughter of Thomas Mepham by Ann hiswife
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Thanks again Chris. The family tree has so many connections with Heathfield on my wife's side no doubt I will be back in contact again soon!
Regards
David
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Hi Chris,
Please could you check on John Mepham 7.2.1762 for me?
On one source I have him as the child of John Mepham and Mary Carpenter and on another he is shown as the child of John Mepham and Elizabeth!!!
It is the children of John Mepham and Mary Carpenter I am interested in and so far I have:
Ann 1763
Benjamin 1765
Hannah 1769
James 1778
Sarah 1782
there is a confusion over John and maybe the above are also incorrect?
Many thanks HL
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Hi Chris hope you are well,
can you look for Cowpers / Coopers please
ta v.much x
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hI HL
Sorry can not do - my transcripts of the registers only only cover the perion 1613 to 1753,
Chris in 1066
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Hi Tony
Sorry but no Coopers and only one Cowper
1645 Bapt 31 Aug Sarah the daughter of John Cowper
Chris in 1066
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hI HL
Sorry can not do - my transcripts of the registers only only cover the perion 1613 to 1753,
Chris in 1066
Thanks Chris, sorry hadn't read the thread properly!! :)
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Hi Tony
Sorry but no Coopers and only one Cowper
1645 Bapt 31 Aug Sarah the daughter of John Cowper
Chris in 1066
thats weird! maybe they came from Burwash ? i will try there
thanks
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Hi Chris,
Please could you check on John Mepham 7.2.1762 for me?
On one source I have him as the child of John Mepham and Mary Carpenter and on another he is shown as the child of John Mepham and Elizabeth!!!
It is the children of John Mepham and Mary Carpenter I am interested in and so far I have:
Ann 1763
Benjamin 1765
Hannah 1769
James 1778
Sarah 1782
there is a confusion over John and maybe the above are also incorrect?
Many thanks HL
Hi Hampshire Lass
I've just had a look at another source of Heathfield parish registers to answer your question and have found the following:
John baptised at heathfield on 7 Feb 1762 was indeed the son of John and Elizabeth.
John and Mary had the following children baptised at Heathfield:
Ann, 4 September 1763
Bengamin 29 December 1765
Hannah 31 December 1769
James 18 October 1778
sarah 3 February 1782
Hope that helps
Kerry :)
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John Mepham married Mary Carpenter at Heathfield on 9 April 1761
Hmmm interesting, I can't find a marriage of a John to a Elizabeth. Could Elizabeth have been a mistake written on the records? Should it actually be Mary??
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
Thanks for looking up those records, very kind of you :)
I think we may have been looking in the same place :) SFHS?
My confusion started because I originally had the birth record for John from familysearch, which says he is the son of John Mepham and Mary Carpenter. Then, a few days ago I looked on SFHS for any more children and they have John as a child of John and Elizabeth.
I have the marriage of John and Mary, but just didn't think to look for a marriage between John and Elizabeth. By not finding one that does seem to indicate the birth has been incorrectly transcribed on SFHS records. Thanks for thinking to do that. :)
I can probably rely on the familysearch record now :)
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Morning Chris, this time I am specifically looking for Mary Starr's family she was bp 1st April 1743 (SFHG) or 1744 (Familysearch) the daughter of John & Mary nee Unknown there is a James & Sarah Starr having children in Heathfield around this time also
i can see no other children for John & Mary can you? can you see Johns bp. do you think James & Sarah are connected ?
lots of questions some can be answered i think with the PR's from Heathfield and some from the SMI :)
N.B. Mary Starr married first to Henry Head she bore him 2 girls then she married Samuel Punnett and they had a son.
i believe Mary died in 1797 - i know your records are from 1613-1753 so won't show the burial but may show her siblings and her parents and possibly her parents siblings and parents if of course they all came from / stayed in Heathfield :)
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Hi - Am interested in the Heathfield registers (for surnames Stredwick and Tamkin) but since your post was four and a half years ago thought I'd first check you're still there! Please reply if you are and I'll give you some names. Thanks, Pat
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Hi there
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards
Yes, I am still here ;D
The registers cover the period 1612 to 1753
Marr:
Married 29 Sep 1750 Samuel Stonestreet and Lucy Stredwick by banns
Bapt:
Bapt 5 Mch 1726 Joshua the son of Henry Stredwick and Ann his wife
Bapt 8 Sep 1734 Jeremiah the son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Stredwick
Bur:
Buried 11 June 1727 Joshua the son of Henry and Ann Stredwick an infant
Sorry, but that is your lot and no Tamkin listed at all
Chris in 1066
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Thanx for that, Chris - will have to wait till everyone's DNA tested to link everyone up I think, but I do think all of us Heathfield/Stredwick descendants obviously have a common ancestor somewhere back in time! ATB, Pat
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Hi Chris
I'm new to this forum and I wondered if this thread is still active? If so, is it possible please for you to check whether there are any of the
BAWCOMB/BALCOMB/BAUCOMB (or likely variants) family in Heathfield? They had property or land in the area in the 1600s.
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks and regards
CH1234
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Hi CH1234
First of all welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards.
Later on this evening I will do the search you requested and all being well, post the results in the morning - when they were transcribed they were entered into a word document instead of excel or other database, which makes them harder to search
Watch this space
Chris
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Thank you very much Chris, I appreciate that.
I hope I'm not giving you too much work.
Regards,
CH1234
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Hi Chris
Did you have any luck with my Bawcomb/Balcombs in Heathfield - or have they done their usual disapppearing act?
regards
CH1234
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Hi Chris1234
Are you still there? First I am curious as to how you were donated these wonderful transcripts, and thank you for caring for them, and sharing with the rest of us.
I am wondering if you would be able to check for me for JENNINGS who lived in tiny Heathfield during 1700's and 1800's. My grgrgrandfather William Jennings was born in april 1811 to William and Mary. I think they are the William and Mary who were married c 1809, but can't find any other children baptised before or after William. Neither can I find Mary's maiden name, or William's history. My line have been Gardners since early 1800's.
Thanks so much,
Wendy
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Hi
Have you thought of joining the Sussex Family History Group? For a modest subscription you get access to lots of transcriptions of parish registers. The only marriage of a William Jennings to a Mary on the Sussex Marriage Index is to Mary Carter 14 Oct 1797 at Eastbourne. He is a Private in the Royal Artillery. It does not give a marriage c1809. Where did you get that information?
Regards
Andrea
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Good evening, I wondered if you were able to give me some assistance. I have been found an entry for the marriage of a William Jarvis and a Philadelphia Jackson in 1799 in Heathfield, I am looking for all the information I can get. William was my 5 x ggf. In 1841 they are still living and William's occupation is broom maker in Cuckfield. I have looked and found a few Jarvis's born in Heathfield but have not found William yet. in 1841 William is reporting to be 62, putting birth abt 1779, when they were married and taking Philadelphia's age away from 1841 it makes her 15 at marriage therefore birth around 1784. Now William's children were born in Worth and Slaugham, looking at a settlement examination of 1810 he was still in Worth but in 1810 his child born in Slaugham, although I can find no baptism, i suppose it possible that they actually still lived in Worth.
Many Thanks
Paul
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Paul
My copies of the Heathfield Baptism, Marriage and burial records only cover the period 1613 through to 1753; so not of much use to you. The name JARVIS does appear quite regularly throughout them though, so it is quite possible as someone else suggested that the family originated in that area.
Chris in 1066
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Sorry Chris should have taken notes on your dates. Do you know of anyone who might be able to help me with the dates I have provided.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Looking at the Sussex Family History Group database there is a baptism for a William Jarvise at Heathfield on 16 November 1777 to Mark and Ann. Don't know if that is any help.
If you have a lot of Sussex family it really is worth joining the family history society, only 11.50 a year and well worth every penny if only for the baptism and burial database :)
Kerry
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Looking some more:
Baptised at Heathfield to Mark and Ann and all spellings except for William are now Jarvis, so William probably a misspelling?
Ann on 9 July 1770
Thomas on 13 December 1772
then to a Mark and Kezia (2nd wife?)
James on 30 July 1780
Henry on 13 april 1783
and then to Marquick ( ;D ) and Keziah
Hesiah on 5 June 1785
Ann on 12 August 1787
Kerry
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kerry. Mark and Ann then Mark and Kezia. On Mark's mariage to Kezia he is down as Bach, Would this mean not married before or could it also imply that first wife has died.
Paul
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Kerry see thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=180332
Paul
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Also just came upon this on National Archives site: Jarvis Edward 23 Sep 1626 Heathfield butcher 31 Oct 1626 PCC London 37562 10 ref a Will
wondering if there is a connection.
Paul
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Dear Sir/Mam
I was wondering if anyone had burial registers for Heathfield?
I am looking for the burial place for William Harmer 18th June 1698 someone also has 3rd Jan 1698 so not sure, which one it is he married Mary Grace Crouch d 1st June 1698 but i can not find her either most of the Harmer family were buried in All saints Heathfield in the hope someone may be able to help, kind regards Kim
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Kim,
I have the PRTS transcript of Heathfield registers. It says for burials in 1698 (and several years around that time) only the BT entries are available.
The HARMER entries in 1698 are:
1 June buried Mary HARMAR
18 June buried William HARMAR
No age or relationship information is given, but around that time it often was. For example, the entry before that of William records the burial of "Sarah the wife of John NORDEN" on 4 June. This doesn't give confidence in the entry for Mary HARMER being that of William's wife.
There is no entry for the 3 January, even after allowing for the old style calendar.
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Many thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated i will look into it better now i have the right dates thank you so much
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I have had a quick look and yes this is them William Harmer did indeed marry a Mary Crouch so agin thank you