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Title: Hartland
Post by: RobPhill on Monday 01 October 07 20:43 BST (UK)
Trying to find parents and birthplace of HENRY HARRY HARTLAND who married SELINA JENNINGS at Dudley in 1905. Any information would be greatly appreciated
Rob. of Portsmouth
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: heywood on Monday 01 October 07 20:54 BST (UK)
Hi Rob,

there is this one in 1901 RG13; Piece: 2778; Folio: 124; Page: 21

Great Park Street Worcester

Wm Hy Hartland 37 yrs  commercial clerk
Sarah 39 yrs
Beatrice 16 yrs book binder
Henry H 12 yrs
Gilbert 9 yrs
Lucy Kate 6 yrs
Phyllis 1 yr
Mary Louisa Wood boarder 69 yrs living on own means

all born Worcester

to be sure though you would need to find father's name from Marriage certificate.

best wishes
heywood
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: jacquelineve on Tuesday 02 October 07 09:22 BST (UK)
Hello Rob

According to West Midlands BMD....

Henry H.Hartland +Selina Jennings 1905 St Johns Dudley.

                          Jackie.
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: RobPhill on Tuesday 02 October 07 13:24 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood,
Many thanks for your help but I don't think that this is the correct Hartland as he was married in 1905, which would only make him 17yrs. Feasable, but unlikely.
Thanks also to Jackie for the marriage details. I had found that info. also on WMBMD.
I find it unusual to have a son called both Henry & Harry as Harry is another term for Henry. On his daughter's birth certificate in 1920 he is named as Harry, driving for a meat factory and ex-army. It is the details of his parents that I need as I am tracing the family history of the Hartlands for his grand daughter. I suppose the next move is to obtain his marriage certificate where the details should be shown
Many thanks - I will let you know if I find the details.
Rob. of Portsmouth
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: hartland on Tuesday 02 October 07 13:29 BST (UK)
Hi RobPhill,    Although surname is the same, my family are not related to your Hartlands, sorry
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: suecad on Monday 15 October 07 14:27 BST (UK)
Hi rob I'm an hartland not from the line you are looking for but as i live near dudley let me know if you need anything

Sue
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: RobPhill on Wednesday 17 October 07 18:50 BST (UK)
Hi Sue,
Many thanks for your kind offer - this is what Rootschat is all about!
I am still looking for the parents of Henry Harry Hartland. I think maybe the other contributors may be right and Harry (Henry) could have been married at the age of 17yrs. After the birth of the 3rd child, apparently, he then went to live with someone else but, accoding the Dudley cemetery records, they were buried in the same grave! I bet the ground is moving a bit there! I am waiting for my wife's cousin (the grand-daughter) to come up with their marriage certificate to find out who his parents were. If you have any clues, I would be delighted with the info. Didn't realise there were so many Hartlands in the Midlands.
Regards,  Rob.
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Wednesday 17 October 07 19:21 BST (UK)
hi sad to say i can't help but if anyone should come across Mary HARTLAND born about 1791 in the Broadwas area please let me know I've searched everywhere I can think of including the bordering Hereford parishes Date and place are from the 1851 and 1861 census for Edward HODGES, whom she married in 1813 in Doddenham.
Good luck with your search who knows we may eventually link up
Trees
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: suecad on Thursday 18 October 07 14:22 BST (UK)
Hi Rob, i will be going to  dudley archives friday so i will have a look at the marriage of henry and selina in the record for St Johns dudley 1905 this should help you with the father. Will get back to you tomorrow night

Sue
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: RobPhill on Friday 19 October 07 13:59 BST (UK)
Hi trees,
I sympathise with the search. I had a similar problem with my great grandmother - she was born in 1829 in Worcestershire but i could find no trace of her birth at all. The problem was resolved when I found out that she wasn't baptised until she was 42yrs of age!! As you know, most of the parish registers only record baptisms, not birth dates. I have found one Mary Hartland, b. about 1790, d. 1870 in Wolverhampton. I found her on Ancestry.co.uk but it didn't say which parish. There was also a Mary Hartland in the 1841 census. She was born in Broadwas but in 1803 but obviously she became a Hartland on marriage. I will continue looking & let you know if I have success but look later than her birthday in the Broadwas registers.
Regards,
Rob. of Portsmouth.
PS Thank you Sue for taking the time to check on the Hartland marriage. I look forward to hearing from you
Rob.
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Friday 19 October 07 14:21 BST (UK)
Many thanks for that Rob I'll try a longer search of the Broadwas regs. I did wonder if she was non con. too The married Hartland from Broadwas  is interesting Perhaps the husband was related to the Broadwas HARTLAND and they met on a visit.  I'll do a little chasing in case it leads anywhere
Trees
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: philheeks on Friday 19 October 07 17:26 BST (UK)
Hi Rob

I dont know if this will be of any help to you - but there were a lot of Hartlands at both Hartlebury & Ombersley (I'm descended from Hartland's by the way)

All the very best

Phil
Weston-super-Mare
born in Worcester City
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Friday 19 October 07 18:52 BST (UK)
Hi, I have a lot of Ancestors (1748 of them)from Ombersley Phil take a look at my Hollioak line and see if any of the names match . GILES, MARSHALL, HODGES MOULE, ROSTINS etc. Then in Hartlebury GILES, ROSTINS,MOULE, RANDLE etc
I have a second HARTLAND line Mary Ann b 1832 Broadwas m William ROSTINS in Ombersley in 1856 their children were baptised in Ombersley. I got excited when I found these out on a twig as I thought Mary Ann might lead back to Mary 1791 Braodwas (my main line) so I followed her back. Her father was b 100 in Cradely Herefordshire his parents and Grand parents also from Cradley so I'm before Mary's birth with no connection Mary Ann was one of 7 born in Broadwas1832-1847
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: philheeks on Saturday 20 October 07 13:21 BST (UK)
Hi Trees

Its a small world aint it - I spend 3 months of the year on holiday at Crossway Green, Hartlebury & there are a lot of Moules there [as a matter of fact one of them is the partner of my god son & cousin]

All the very best

Phil

GOOD HUNTING
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Saturday 20 October 07 14:54 BST (UK)
Yes Phil Small world and getting smaller is your God- son's OH interested in FH? Between us and my fellow MOULE researchers we could help her if she is interested.
Trees
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: philheeks on Monday 22 October 07 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi Trees

No such luck as my god son Tim Cupper (whose partner is Rachel De Bere nee Mole) has no interest in F.H. - well to be fair he's not old enough yet Ho Ho.

All the very best

Phil
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Monday 29 October 07 12:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Phil just a quick update so far I'm afraid the net work is not finding anything positive but we are all now looking for you Good luck
Trees
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: philheeks on Monday 29 October 07 15:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Trees

This Hartland topic isnt even mine I just jumped into it with a couple of comments

All the very best

Phil
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: Trees on Monday 29 October 07 16:03 GMT (UK)
Oops wrong post sorry put it down to a senior moment!!
I have sorted it now thanks for alerting me   ':)'
Trees
Title: Re: Hartland
Post by: philheeks on Tuesday 30 October 07 15:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Trees

Dont try pulling the senior moment one on me I'm 63 so reckon I have seniority over you for senior moments LOL

All the very best

Phil