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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: calidris on Sunday 30 September 07 11:18 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
I'm looking for information on John Patricius Chaworth-Musters who lived between 1860 and 1921? What are his exact date of birth and death and where was he born and died, and any additional information is welcome. He was educated at Eton and Christchurch and went to work on the family estate at Annesley near Nottingham in 1867. His daughter Margarita married with John Joseph Baldwin-Young, from her I still miss the date of birth!
Thanks very much,
Justin Jansen
The Netherlands
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Hi Justin
This looks like the birth registration found on FreeBMD:
1860 March Quarter. Southwell District. Volume: 7b. Page: 293. Musters John Patrious.
Spiderboy.
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A word of warning, which might be significant! Although the entry on the GRO index clearly gives the information I have shown, FreeBMD has added a note to the effect that the page number is not within the range expected for the district etc. You will be able to see this if you click on the word “Southwell” in the entry.
Spiderboy.
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Since the 1871 census gives his birth place and those of his siblings as Annesley, and their births are registered in Basford, I would expect JP's to be the same. It may be worth your while to contact Basford Register Office to see if it was registered there.
Jebber
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Whilst looking for the registration of the birth of your Margarita, which I was unable to find, I did notice that there were several children with the second name Chaworth registered between 1871 and 1897 in and around districts on the Nottinghamshire border and wondered if you were aware of them?
I then found that in the 1901 census (the family is indexed as Masters by ancestry! See Piece: 3143. Folio: 21. Page: 34.) the 3 eldest daughters shown, Margarita C, Elsia C and Ruth C, were said to have been British Subjects born in Norway with ages in line with birth years of 1884/5, 1885/6 and 1887/8 respectively.
According to the 1891 census (Piece: 2658. Folio 21. Page 36.) it appears that the children, Margarita C now shown as Rita(?) C were born in Aarnas, Norway. Personally I have been unable to locate an Aarnas and wonder if it was meant to be Arnes?
Hope this is all of interest.
Spiderboy.
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This surely is highly intresting, still working my way through the data shown!
Thank you very much,
Justin
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Hello Justin,
This may help a little from Google Books......http://books.google.com/books
http://books.google.com/books?id=0aUD4NqGYqAC&pg=PA354&dq=John+Patricius+Chaworth-Musters&sig=CixhZbw67cXKE_dO7nC15oqr2xo
Regards
Sheila.
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Nice find Sheila. I hadn’t realized that we were actually researching a family with Royal Blood! That’s got to be a first for me – makes a change from the more mundane Ag Labs etc.
Spiderboy.
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Hi Spiderboy…..
Yes, it does make a change….. :)
My 2xGtGtgrandfather was a gamekeeper and lived in the Annesley and Kirkby Woodhouse area, which is close to Annesley Hall, home of the Chaworth-Musters family, I have often wondered if he was gamekeeper for the family, but I have yet to discover that fact.
Lord Byron had links to Annesley and the Musters family, it should make interesting research!
Mary Ann Chaworth was Bryon’s first love,but she married John Musters of Colwick Hall, Nottingham and the “Chaworth-Musters” name was born.
I am usually over on the Nottinghamshire board, a few of us have baptism, marriage and burial indexes which cover the area, and there are a few for the Chaworth-Musters family but none that Justin is after as far as I can see, but we may see him over there soon ;)
Sheila.
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Wow, that was a nice one! At least it is now clear when he was born!
Thanks very much!
Justin
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Some newspaper clippings for you....
The Times, Saturday, Jan 13, 1838; pg. 7; Issue 16625; col F
"Births"
"On the 9th inst., at Wiverton-hall, in the county of Nottingham, the lady of J.G.Musters Esq., of a son and heir."
[Presumably the "son and heir" is John senior, father of John Patricius]
The Times, Thursday, Mar 17, 1859; pg. 1; Issue 23256; col A
"Marriages"
"On the 15th inst., at Orton, by the Rev. J. L. Brereton, rector of Buckland, Devon, and Prebendary of Exeter, John Chaworth Musters, Esq., of Annesley-park and Coinwick Hall, Notts, to Caroline Anne, eldest daughter of Henry Sherbrooke Esq., of Oxton, in that county."
The Times, Friday, Nov 13, 1863; pg. 3; Issue 24715; col F
"Nomination of Sherriffs"
[Entries county including...]
"NOTTINGHAMSHIRE - John Chaworth Musters, of Annesley, Esq.; Sir Edward Samuel Walker, of Berry-hill, Knight; and William Frederick Webb, of Newstead Abbey, Esq."
The Times, Thursday, Feb 04, 1864; pg. 12; Issue 24786; col A
[A further nomination as sherriff]
The Times, Wednesday, Feb 05, 1902; pg. 12; Issue 36683; col C
"From the London Gazette., Tuesday, Feb.4"
"Commission signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Nottingham - John Patricius Chaworth Muster, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant, Dated 30th January 1902."
The Times, Friday, Feb 02, 1912; pg. 9; Issue 39811; col C
"Obituaries"
"Mrs Chaworth Musters.
Mrs Chaworth Musters, who had been in indifferent health for many weeks, died yesterday at Wiverton Hall, Notts.
She was Caroline Anne, eldest daughter of Mr. Henry Sherbrooke, of Oxton Hall, and niece of Lord Sherbrooke, the statesman. She married, in 1895, Mr John Chaworth Musters, of Annesley Park, Notts, for long Master of the South Notts and Quorn Hounds. Mr. Chaworth Musters died in 1887, leaving a family of sons and daughters."
The Times, Thursday, Dec 15, 1921; pg. 1; Issue 42904; col A
"Deaths"
"CHAWORTH-MUSTERS - On the 12th Dec., at Annesley Park, Notts. JOHN PATRICIUS CHAWORTH-MUSTERS, J.P., D.L., aged 61. Funeral Annesley 2 p.m. to-morrow (Friday)."
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Some more...
The Times, Wednesday, May 01, 1912; pg. 11; Issue 39887; col B
"Marriages"
"Mr Gervase Millward and Miss E Chaworth-Musters"
"The marriage took place yesterday, at All Saints Church, Annesley, Notts, of Miss Elsie Chaworth-Musters, second daughter of Mr and Mrs J P Chaworth-Musters, of Annesley Park, and Mr Gervase Millward, son of the late Mr Leonard Millward and Mrs Milward, of East Bridgford, Notts.
The bride is a direct descendant of Miss Mar-Chaworth (afterwards Mrs John Musters, of Annesley) whose name appears in Byron's poetry. The bride was given away by her father...."
The Times, Wednesday, Mar 05, 1913; pg. 11; Issue 40151; col B
"Forthcoming Marriages"
"Mr J J Baldwin Young and Miss Chaworth-Musters"
"The marriage arranged between Mr J J Baldwin Young, of Kingerby Hall, Lincolnshire, and Margarita, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs Chaworth-Musters, of Annesley Park, Notts, will take place at St Barnabas Cathedral, Nottingham, on Thursday, April 10."
The Times, Thursday, May 14, 1914; pg. 11; Issue 40523; col B
"Forthcoming Marriages"
"Mr H L Pattinson and Mss Chaworth Musters"
"A marriage has been arranged, and will take place, in July, between Hugh Lee Pattison, Royal Fusiliers, son of Mr and Mrs H L Pattinson, of Lowlynn, Beal, Northumberland, and grandson of the late L W Adamson, of Linden, Northumberland, and Catherine Lina, youngest daughter of Mr and Mrs Chaworth Musters, of Annesley Park and Wiverton Hall, Nottinghamshire."
The Times, Tuesday, Jan 04, 1916; pg. 1; Issue 41054; col A
"Marriages"
"Chaworth-Musters : Booth - On the 1st Jan, 1916, at St Martins-in-the-Fields Church, Anthony, second surviving son of Mr and Mrs J P Chaworth-Musters, of Annesley Park, Notts, to Marjorie Caroline, younger daughter of the late C O Booth and Mrs Booth, of Cromarty, Shooters-hill, Woolwich"
The Times, Saturday, Jul 28, 1917; pg. 9; Issue 41542; col C
"Deaths" Item announcing the death of Captain Philip Mundy Chaworth-Musters, MC, RFA, who was killed in action on July 18 and who was the fourth son of J P Chaworth-Musters. He was aged 22.
The Times, Friday, Oct 10, 1919; pg. 1; Issue 42227; col B
"In Memoriam" notice commemorating the dath of Capt Robert Chaworth Musters, MC, King's Royal Rifles and fifth son of J P Chaworth, who died on 10 October 1918. Earlier notice indicates he died of pneumonia following influenza, aged 22.
The Times, Tuesday, Feb 01, 1921; pg. 1; Issue 42633; col A
"Marriages"
"Askwith : Chaworth-Musters"
"On the 27th Jan., at All Saints, Annesley, by the Rev W H Kynaston, Col H F Askwith CMG to Ruth Mary, third daughter of Mrs and Mrs J P Chaworth-Musters, of Annesley Park, Notts"
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Double Wow! Very helpfull!
Thanks very much,
Justin
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Just to add that there are details of the Chaworth Musters on the War Commissions website...sadly a number of the male descendants died in both Wars.
The history of the Chaworth and Musters is fascinating. Commander George Musters was a noted explorer at the time of Cook...responsible for travels and expolration in Patagonia where he was regarded with the status of King amongst the patagonians.
Recently I have carried out much work as an architect with the family seat at Annesley Hall in Nottinghamshire, a house in poor consition not occupied since the 1970's but with connections with Byron. I have boxes of information collected over a number of years, including books published locally about the family. Try if possible Annesley Through the Ages by Denis R Pearson ISBN 0-9524383-0-5.
Chaworth Musters Order of Succession 1805-1992
John Musters of Colwick 1777 - 1849
John George Musters 1808-1842 died before his father
John Chaworth Musters 1838-87
John P Chaworth Musters 1860 -1921 (Married Mary Ann Sharp 1863-1930)
Lt Patricus G Chaworth Musters 1888 -1915 died before his father
Colonel John N Chaworth Musters 1890-1970
Major Robert P Chaworth Musters died 1992
Please contact me directly if you wish and I will forward further specific details.
Alan
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Very distinctive name - still family descendants living Felley
Worth a look
http://www.ashfield-dc.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/tourism-and-travel/felley-priory-garden/
You might find older photographs interesting if you visit
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/
and search Annesley Hall
And possibly -
http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/a01/hhistory.html
Nothing to do with the family - Alan do you know where the 'Ice house' was moved to?? My route to work took me through the road works when the road was being altered. I still travel along the same stretch and often wonder where it has a new home. :-\
Knellie
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I'm curious about this; it appears to relate to Nottinghamshire but is on the Dorset board. Can anyone explain?
Nanny Jan
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Hi Knellie
Yes the ice house was in the line of the new road, which incidentally I think has helped to blight the Hall, and was moved and rebuilt to the side of the new road. It is opposite the old church.
The water supply to the Hall was interesting.....water from the fishponds below the Hall was pumped by ram pump or pumps to tanks at the top of the hill above the Hall, more recently part of the Kodak factory site and now removed I believe. Water then flowed by gravity back down to the Hall. Local scientist/geologist/clockmaker John Whitehurst of Derby could have been responsible for the pump(s)....Whitehurst made the turret clock now at Annesley and was the forefather of Smiths of Derby, famous clock and watchmakers. Whitehurst invented the ram pump I believe.....
Regards
Alan
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Many thanks Alan - very interesting. I think the drive from the Hucknall side give a glimpse of what a beautiful setting the family home would have had.
Nanny Jan - I believe the link is to do with John Patricius studying in Christchurch, which was Dorset - then tracing his family links back to Notts.
My relies also travelled from Notts to the Christchurch area but they were servants !!! ::)
Regards Knellie
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At that time Christchurch was in Hampshire! Possibly it should have been Christ Church College, Oxford which would have been more likely after education at Eton.
Nanny Jan
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I have
John Patricius Chaworth-Musters b. 13 JAN 1860 d. 12 DEC 1921
m. 1891? Mary Ann Sharp b. 1863 d. 1930
several other sons served in WWI and survived
david
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I may be able to help. What I've got is listed on my website. A good place to start http://www.sandars.org.uk/Geneology/descendtext.php?personID=I369&tree=SuperSandars&generations=. Further I can obtain various 'in-house' family histories. Why the interest. Are we related?
Daniel Sandars
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Hi,
I am a distant cousin, via marriage, to the Chaworth-Muster line.
John Patricious Chaworth-Musters, born 1860, married Mary Ann Sharp. Mary Ann Sharp was the granddaughter of Sophia Daniel. Sophia Daniel was my 3 x Great Grandmother.
If you need any help on that particular line, let me know.
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Thanks for that. Anthony Ch-M was my grandfather (by a later marriage) - one of the sons of J P Ch-M who survived the 1st World War ..
david
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Battiscombe
I'd be interested in the details of the later marriage of Anthony C-M which I've overlooked along the way.
Daniel
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apologies for not getting back on this ..
Tony C Musters married Mabel Charsley (nee Jackson Walker, of Wilmington Delaware - widow of Lt Commander John H Charsley RN) in June 1953 (I think thats right..)
david
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Here's a couple of people and/or details that might have been missed;
John Chaworth-Musters, J.P. of Annesley Hall, Wiverton Hall and Colwick Hall died 7 Nov. 1887 after a short illness, (Scarlatina / scarlet fever), at his shooting box in Aumont, Senlis, France aged 49 years, (b. Wiverton Hall 9 Jan., 1838). He also used to travel to Norway to go salmon fishing, Norway having some of the finest salmon fishing at that time, which might explain why some of the family were born there. (Source CAC Collection, Auckland Museum).
Also Miss Gertrude Adelaide Byron Chaworth-Musters married Mr Angus Gordon on 30 Dec., at Wairoa South, (now known as Clevedon, near Auckland, New Zealand) at the All Soul's Anglican Church. Captain (later Major) John Whitney was the uncle of the bride who arranged the wedding reception, according to the Observer (newspaper) of 11 Jan., 1890.
Major John Whitney married one of the Chaworth-Musters family before travelling to NZ and establishing the Colonial Ammunition Company. The Major died on 6 Sept., 1932 and I think is also buried at Clevedon.
I would be very interested if "awahl" has details of the Annesley decoy, (duck trap). It was from here that mallard duck were introduced into New Zealand.
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Thanks all, I have the chapter of Chaworth-Musters now sorted out well enough, for my writting. Thanks all for you're contributions.
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Awahl, thanks for your message which I can't reply to directly until I've made 3 postings.
John Chaworth-Musters sent 4 mallard ducks to Major John Whitney, his son-in-law in Auckland, New Zealand, in 1887. John Patricius Chaworth-Musters sent a further 6 mallard drakes to Cecil, (Later Sir Cecil), Whitney in Auckland, who was the major's son, in 1910.
These birds, most probably caught in the decoy, played a key role in establishing this species in the wild in New Zealand where in now numbers in the millions.
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To Awahl
Hi Alan....how do I contact you directly? I am interested in the info on the CMs that you have collected. I have Denis' book.
Barbara