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Arthur Wakeling born 1869 to Walter Wakeling Elizabeth Smoothy he was a Jeweler in Manchester around the turn of the century and was unmarried in the 1901 Censers
Doug Wakeling
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Hi Doug !
What is it you are looking for in regards to Arthur Wakeling?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly ,
Thank you for you interest Arthur Wakeling he was my GGMother's, brother I am trying to trace any descendants they had 7 other siblings except for my Grand Father George son of Eleanor up until 1901 the he was the only grandson of Walter he had 2 cousins girls from Alfred Florence and Eve
Regards Doug Wakeling
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Hi Doug
I should hasten to dsay I have no WAKELING connection:
It should perhaps be clarified that Arthur WAKELING 's full name is Arthur Frank WAKELING whose birth is registered in Dunmow Essex in Jun Qtr 1869.
In 1901, he is at 95 Moss Lane in the Hulme area of Manchester, on his own and listed as a Watch Clock & Jewelry maker and Shop keeper (own account), born Dunmow Essex. (Ref: RG13 / P 3704 / 25 / Pg 41.
I just found another post on the Essex Board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,257597.0.html
and anothe post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,257415.0.html
In both of these it is inferred that Arhur had 2 daughters ?
Or was it another brother Alfred ??? who had the 2 daughters? Are these 2 daughters the Florence and Eve you mention?
Sorry, I'm just a wee bit confused :
Walter WAKELING and Elizabeth SMOOTHY has 9 children.
I can't quite work out who was who from your reply .
Are you trying to trace descendants via all their children or just via Arthur? If all of them, then perhaps it may be beneficial to your quest to list in order all the children of Walter and Elizabeth with DOB. marriage, spouses, children in so far as you know already? This may help someone who has a connection to any one of them to recognise a connection back to Walter?
Kind regards
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly,
Yes I am confused to, My Grandfather George A. was the son of Elenor (father unkmown) I am trying to trace his cousins, Daughters of Arthur they were as we know up till 1901 the only children out of the 9 children of Walter and Elizabeth Wakeling, Alfred was a clock merchant in Manchester he was not married in 1901 Cences.
Regards Doug Wakeling
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I thought getting back to basics might help a little ! .....
1871
Foxley's Farm Gt Dunmow
Walter Wakeling 58 Head Essex Farmer 156 acres
Elizabeth Wakeling 48
Emma Wakeling 15
Martha Moore Wakeling 12
William J Wakeling 9
Arthur F Wakeling 2
RG10 Piece 1704 Folio 17 Page 7
1881
Toolies Great Dunmow
Walter Wakeling 69 Head Gt Braxted Essex Retired Farmer
Elizabeth Wakeling 58 Saffron Walden
Elizabeth Wakeling 35
Arthur T. Wakeling 12
James Cook 25 Boarder
RG11 Piece 1813 Folio 13 Page 6
1891
Church End Great Dunmow
Walter Wakeling 78 Head Broxted Essex Retired Farmer
Eleanor M Wakeling 43
Elizabeth Wakeling 45
RG12 Piece 1428 Folio 30 Page 22
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Here's 1861 ........ maybe some of the names will ring bells !! :) :) Does that help or hinder ?? :)
Crisps Farm (?) Great Totham
Walter Wakeling 48 Head Great Totham Essex
Elizabeth Wakeling 38
Elizabeth Wakeling 15
Elenor M Wakeling 13
Walter F Wakeling 11
Sarah Wakeling 9
Alfred Wakeling 7
Emma Wakeling 5
Martha M Wakeling 2
William Wakeling 81 Visitor Independent
RG9 Piece 1090 Folio 176 Page 3
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Here - from the various Census is the 9 children of:
Walter WAKELING and Elizabeth SMOOTHY married 1844, Dec 1844 Saffrom Walden
Issue:
1 Elizabeth abt 1846
2 Eleanor abt 1848 - had a son, George, father unknown (Doug's line)
3 Walter Frederick abt 1850
4 Sarah abt 1852
5 Alfred 1854
6 Emma abt 1856
7 Martha Moore abt 1859
8 William J abt 1862
9 Arthur Frank 1869 - unmarried watch/clock.jewlery Shopkeeper 1901
ALFRED had the 2 daughters, Florence and Eve. He was Grocer in Manchester in 1901
ARTHUR was the unmarried Clock/Watch/Jewelymaketr/Shopkeeper in 1901 Manchester
1901: Birch in Rusholme, Manchester, Lancashire
RG13 / P 3683 / F 52 / Pg 9 / RD: Chorlton
171 Wilmslow Road
Head: Alfred WAKELING 47, Grocer (employer) b Tatham Essex
Wife: Hannah WAKELING 49, b Tamworth Staffs
Dau: Florence H? (M? A?) WAKELING 15, unm, Dressmaker apprentice, b Manchester
Dau: Eva B WAKELING 5, b Manchester
Cheers
AMBLY
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But of course, Doug you do know all that!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,111507.0.html
(under the other RC name: DougWakeling
Cheers
AMBLY
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St Catherine's Index of Marriages
SAFFRON WALDEN 1844/Q4 volume 12
469 Hannah BUTTLE, Hannah CHAPMAN, Danl RICHARDSON, Eliz SMOOTHY Isaac
STUBBINGS, Walter WAKELING
And some extra Wakelings .... just in case !!
LEXDEN &c 1844/Q4 volume 12
275 Sarah HARVEY, Maria HUNT, Lucy LEE, Jn PETTICAN, Edwd PONDER, Alfred
WAKELING
ROCHFORD 1844/Q4 volume 12
413 Chas PACKARD, Susan WAKELING
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/StCathsTranscriptions/CATHPRS6.html
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Here's an interesting one ... I really feel this HAS to be your family !
In Memory of
Private CAMPBELL SMOOTHEY WAKELING
123001, 18th Bn., Canadian Infantry (Western Ontario Regiment)
who died age 25
on 15 September 1916
Son of William and Emily Wakeling, of 885, Mamelon St., London, Ontario.
Remembered with honour
VIMY MEMORIAL
And these maybe your family !
In Memory of
Civilian ALFRED JAMES WAKELING
Civilian War Dead
who died age 56
on 12 December 1940
at Vine Inn, Carver Street.
Remembered with honour
BIRMINGHAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
In Memory of
Civilian MABEL WAKELING
Civilian War Dead
who died age 57
on 12 December 1940
at Vine Inn, Carver Street.
Remembered with honour
BIRMINGHAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
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Maybe some of your family is in Canada !! :) :)
WAKELING, CAMPBELL S
Regimental number(s):
123001
Reference:
RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 9992 - 14
Date of Birth:
02/03/1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01zf/
Here's a map .....
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Mamelon+St,+London,+ON+N5Z,+Canada&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title
Now you need to check passenger lists !! :)
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Dear All,
Thank you for all that infomation still looking for decendants of Florence Wakeling and Eva Wakeling daughters of Arthur ,
Regards Doug Wakeling
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This is still not exactly what you wanted but but you never know ....... here's another found in Canada !! ....
Name: Florence Wakeling
Death Date: 3 Dec 1916
Death Location: Brant
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Birth Location: London,Eng
Father is listed as Alfred Wakeling and mother Margaret Fludder?
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Florence Annie Wakeling b. Q3 1885 Chorlton 8c 663
Eva Beatrice Wakeling b. Q2 1895 Chorlton 8c 822
i have checked for a death and marriage for them, Florence A* & Eva B* Wakeling up to 1920 there were none. (that matched)
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Alfred Otto Wakeling b. Q3 1893 Chorlton 8c 814
Alfred Otto Wakeling d. Q4 1893 Chorlton 8c 511, age 0
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Thank you for the infomation the plot thickens
Regards Doug Wakeling
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Why ??
Annie ::)
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thank Annie,
I think the reference to Florance born 1886 and Eve born 1896 is true Arthur we believe married a Hannah the birth dates probably correct the William in all this could have migrated to Canada looking into this and if Campbell Smoothy Wakeling is his son as his middle name is Smoothy his mothers maiden name was Smoothy
Regards Doug Wakeling
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Hi Annie Darling,
You are a wonder..... :o
I feel sure that Doug will love what you have found.........in Canada..
Doug...? This Canadian connection is quite...great...
but the 2 girls will show their faces soon.....but go with what has turned up here..and be in wonder...
Jo
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It doesn't seem that Campbell Smoothey WAKELING is directly in Doug's tree - I guess the hope was he was the son of William b abt 1862. But his mother is not Elizabeth SMOOTHEY - it was Emily STEPHENS. It seems his SMOOTHEY bit came down from his father. There are actually a number of WAKELING's with that middle name. Another was a Kemble born in Essex.... his father was a George. I can see Census, for them Doug, if you don't already have it or are interested, please call out !!
Campbell: I think his father William was born abt 1855 Ongar Essex, the son a Zacariah or Yachariah WAKELING.
WW1 Attesttation Papers - Canada
Campbell S WAKELING, Bricklayer, unmarried
Age 24 years and 5 months, b 2 Mar 1891, Plumstead Kent
At time of Enlistment is already in Active Militia: 7th Fusiliers, 10 mths
Description:
Height: 5' 3 &qtr ", Fair hair & complesion, Gray eyes, Religion: Baptist
NOK: Father William WAKELING of 26 Campbell St London Ontario
Attested: 20 Aug 1915, London Ontario
BIRTH: Campbell Smoothy WAKELING - Jun Qtr 1891, Woolwich RD.
1901: Corringham, Ossett, Essex
Ref: RG13 / P / 1662 / F 90 / P 18
Address: Gables Hall,
Head: William WAKELING 46, Bricklayer, b Ongar Essex
Wife: Emily 42, b Woolwich Kent, London
Son: Arthur 18, unm, Bricklayer, b Silvertown London
Dau: Rosetta 12, b East Plumstead Kent
Son: Ernest 11, b East Plumstead Kent
Son: Campbell 10, b East Plumstead Kent
Dau: Grace 7, b Romford Essex
Son: William 6, b Ossett Essex
Dau: Maud 4, b Ossett Essex
Dau: Elsie 2, b Ossett Essex
1891: East Plumstead, Woolwich, London
Ref:RG12 / P 539 / F 78 / Pg40
Address: Sidney Cottage
Head: William WAKELING 36, Bricklayer, b Ongar, Essex
Wife: Emily 31, b Greenwich Kent
Son: Sydney 11, Scholar, b Plumstead Kent
Son: Arthur 8, Scholar, b Silvertown Essex
Son: Harry 7, Scholar, b Totham Essex
Son: Frederick 6, Scholar, b Totham Essex
Dau: Emily 4, b Westeral?? Park --, Kent
Dau: Rosetta 2, b Plumstead Kent
Son: Ernest 1, b Plumstead Kent
Son: Campbell 1 months, b Plumstead Kent
1881: Greenwich East , London
Ref: RG11 /P 727 / F 17 / Pg 27
Address: 28 Glenister Road
Head: William WAKELING 24, Bricklayer, b Witham Essex
Wife: Emily 21, b Greenwich Kent
Visitor: Emma WAKELING 22, unm, Servant, b Witham Essex
Son: William WAKELING 1, b Witham Essex
Lodger: George WAKELING 20, unm, Brick's Labourer, b Braintree Essex
MARRIAGE: Sep Qtr 1879 Greenwich RD
William S---othy WAKELING and Emily STEPHENS
3 ot their children at least in Canada name their parents as WIlliam WAKLEING and Emily STEPHENS/STEVENS:
Son: Arthur married Canada 1907
Daughter: Elsie married in Canada in 1919
Daughter: Emily married Canada 1908 -
DEATH: in London City, Middlesex County , Ontario, Canada:
Ref: 810 - Registered
Death: 11 Oct 1921 at 838 York Street (residence)
William WAKELING age 65 years, born Jul 14 (year blank), England, married
Occupation: Building Contractor
Cause of Death (primary) Pulmonary Tuberculosis 3 years,
Cause of Death (contributory) Influenza and Cardiac Failure 5 days
Length of time at Place of death : 1 year
Legnth of time in Ontario: 14 Years
Length of time in Canada (blank)
Name & POB of Father: William S WAKELING, b England
Name & POB of Mother: Blank
Informant: Ernest WAKELING, son, of York Street
Deceased is buried at Woodland Cemetery 14 Oct 1921
Undertaker: W HARRISON, London Ontario.
I think this death cert incorrectly lists William's father as William S - I think that could be his own name! His 1879 marriage cert would sort that one out if you wanted to. His son Ernest is the death informant, and did not know his grandmother's name, so perhaps he got the grandfather's wrong too!
Outside looking in and assuming you did not already know of them, I think there is a good chance these WAKELINGS are connected to you - and the SMOOTHEY and WAKELINGS are probably connected in other ways besides the marriage of your Walter & Elizabeth. It may be a case of Siblings marrying Siblings of another family, or cousin marriages. Incidentally, some of the Ontario WAKELINGS appear to have made tracks down to Detroit Michigan at some stage.
Doug, not sure what you may have if anything on all this, or if you are interested in pursuing any of it! I realise this thread was started in the hopes of locating Florence A and Eva B, Alfred's daughters.
What we have been trying to do, is search laterally - as sometimes that can wash the targets out! Instead we seem to have found a forest of WAKELINGS but not them!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks Ambly,
If Campbell is the son of Zac Wakeling ,Zac was Walters brother both brothers married girls with name Smoothy . (sounds confusing )
I thank you for all the work you have done I feel I am only in kindagarten but I will keep searching
Regards Doug
ps all this started to find the father of George Wakeling my GF son of Elenor he took his mothers name
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You're welcome Doug
There appears to be more WAKELINGS than you can poke a stick at that are likely connected to yours!
I think Campbell was Zac's grandson, via Zac's son William.
There is someone floating about who is obviously researching Zac's line - does the surname BRAND mean anything to you? Would you be interested in contacting this person if you don't already know who they are?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly,
Yes Peter Brand from York has lots of infomation on the Smoothys. I checked on Zac. Line this morning and could not find any reference to a Campbell Smoothy Wakeling have emailed Peter B. for confimation Wakeling is not a common name but as you say there seems to be lots
Regards Doug Wakeling
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Well Doug !
Maybe we found one Peter B doesn't know about ... wouldn't that be a turn up for the books .... ?? ;D
Ambly worked it all out didn't she ?.... clever girl !! :) :) Looks like there's still plenty to do on all those Wakelings though !!
Annie :)
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Thanks Annie ,
At this rate I will have to employ a sec. or write a book I am waiting for my publisher to Publish my 1st book "Curse the Bells" published by Zeus publications .com.au
Regards Doug
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Have to be careful of those secretaries though Doug !!!! ::) ::)
I'll put "Curse the Bells" on my reading list - or should I just wait for the film to come out ?? ;D
Annie :)
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Deae Annie ,
"Curse tie Bells" is a book about my GGFathers journey from Otley in Yorkshire to NSW in 1864 is fact and fiction
and yes we will be shortly looking for a cast
ps I am still looking for decendants of Athur Wakeling Florence born 1885 and Eve born 1896
Have a nice day Regards Doug
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Hello all,
I have a Rebecca Wakeling born around 1770 married into my family in the Springfield / Danbury area of Essex. Does she tie in to any of your Wakelings?
Regards
Andy
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Sorry Andy,
I suggest you contact Dennis Wakeling in Russington UK he knows all there is to know re Wakelings
Regards Doug Wakeling
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Hi
I have pm'd Andy with an email address if he/she wishes to make contact with Dennis Wakeling.
Cheers
cando.....a Wakeling descendant in Australia
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THANKS Cando and friends :)