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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Keith Sherwood on Friday 28 September 07 09:43 BST (UK)
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Hi, Everyone,
I have just read that there was some kind of Census taken for the city of Norwich in 1801, 1811. 1821 and 1831. Were these just population counts, or were there other details including family names? And where would records of these be kept?
Very best wishes,
keith
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The whole country had a census from 1801, every 10 years - its not till 1841 that they are 'useful' to genealogists.
Typically before that they showed just Householders (sometimes with occupation) and with household headcount only. Altho there are many exceptions ...
I have a list of those still extant, and Norwich figures in just some of those years - whats left is archived in the Norwich Records Office....
Perhaps the oldest and most interesting 'pre-Govt' census listed is the 1570 Census of the Norwich Poor - about 25% of the Norwich population.
:)
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Thanks very much for that, Newf.
I've been reading the absorbing book: "Norwich Since 1550", a series of essays edited by Carole Rawcliffe and Richard Wilson, and came across mention of these Censuses in rather a dull chapter on population trends.
Yes, occasionally one comes across fascinating individual Censuses apart from the National ones, including a couple for the villages of Kingston (whose name I've temporarily forgotten, but it's on line somewhere!) and Hinxton 1801 in my County of Cambridgeshire.
Might head up to Norwich some time soon to have a look in the Norfolk Record Office. That 1570-or-so survey of the Poor in Norwich sounds a detailed one - do they have copies of that at the N.R.O?
keith
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...The Hinxton Census was 1802, the "Speculum Gregis" was for Croydon-cum-Clopton, in 1843, not Kingston. Both places are just a few miles from where I live.
keith
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Hi Keith, yes, in my booklet, that 1570 census is shown as an actual publication - Norwich City Records, case 20, shelf C :)
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Newf.
I can almost see myself reaching for the publication on that shelf C, when I next get up to Norwich!
Many thanks,
keith
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NCR Case 20 shelf c is not a shelf at the NRO now, but the way the Norwich City Records were kept before they were transfered to the NRO. There may well be a publication of it available somewhere on the shelves, but otherwise you will have to find it in the NCR catalogue and order it up.
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Peggypatch,
Thanks very much for updating me on that!
keith
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Guess things have moved on since 1996 :P
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I am looking up my family tree and I'm stuck I can not get back any further I have email Parishes through norwich. I'm looking up Freeman William Freeman he was born in 1821 But I can only find when he was married to Caroline (nee Ramsey). I want to know every detail of them well what I can get and if there is a photo to put a face to the name that would be great.. Can anyone help me.
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Jennalyn
Welcome to Rootschat ;D ;D
Firstly, do you have the marriage cert, which will list the fathers names.
William FREEMAN
Caroline RAMSEY
1844
Dec qtr.
Norwich
Vol 13
Page 674
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Jennalyn, I think Williams marriage to Caroline may have been his second as here are the census details from 1841 and 1851.
1841
HO107/790/3 - Norwich St. Michael at Thorn
Folio 47, Page 16
Thorn Lane, Middle Square
FREEMAN
William - 25 - cabinet maker
Susan - 25
William - 4
John - 2
James - 5 months
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1851
FREEMAN
William - 30 - cabinet maker - born Norwich St. Edmunds
Caroline - 25 - born Norwich St. Lawrence
William - 13
John - 11
James - 10
Frederic - 5
Caroline - 2
Walter - 1 month
all the children born in Norwich=Thorn
HO107/1814 - Norwich St. Michael at Thorn
Folio 224, Page 32
Topers Square
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In 1841, Caroline is working as a servant in Norwich, so not with any of her family.
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There are two possibilites for deaths for Susan, 1842 and 1844, but without ages its difficult to choose which one it might be.
:'( :'(
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There is a possible marriage on the IGI
William Freeman
Susan Dady
26th December, 1836 - Norwich St. Peter, Southgate
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Thanks now I'm more confused than before. Do you have any papers or a website so I can see this you can forward the papers to jennalyn@ihug.com.au I am so confused about all this. Thank you for your help is there anything you have found out?