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Anyone researching Drakes in Co Down, Possibly Killyleagh ?
Looking for family who came England before 1851
John Drake born about 1826 (25 in 1851) with brother James,Sisters Alice, Ann Jean and Mary
also their father also John
any help appreciated
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Have you seen the Co Down Drakes listed in freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/D/DrDum.htm
Good luck, Jim
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Mant thanks for the link. Unfortunately seems majority of them are Protestants,whilst mine are Catholics.
The Killyleagh link is a family rumour but reading this link
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KillyleaghAll.htm#cath
It seems there was only 5 catholics living in the town,so they cant have lived there.
Cheers anyway
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I have just assembled John James Alice and Jean all with early 1800 birthdates on the Ulster Historical Foundation website www.ancestryireland .com and then hit the wrong key excitedly and lost them all. You can look up them up yourself it’s a pay to view site. I would first double check all Co Down Drakes in www.familysearch.com for Ireland, as these would be free.
My earlier reaction was you are to quick to judge Ros Davies website not including enough to get a line on some catholic Co down Drakes.
James DRAKE . Bright of Conianstown; colonel in United Irishmen at Battle of Ballynahinch; supported Thomas Russell's Rebellion of 1803 & hanged at Downpatrick Gaol Oct 1803; photo of Charles Drake, his brother available MO 14 &21/5/03 & 18/6/03; FSFD p46; LM 1992 p37; MOA p317 [Jim adds although many Presbyterians were members of the United Irishmen the majority were catholics. I would want to check this man further] Jim adds Conianstown is also spelt Coniamstown it’s a townland on the middle north of Bright parish which is underneath ie south of Downpatrick. I read into the history this townland had connections to Catholicism.
Francis DRAKE . Drumgooland sponsor at the baptism of Mary , daughter of Michael O'Hare & Catherine McCartin 12 May 1869 at Leitrim Catholic Church PR
[Jim adds Ros Davies information on church records for
Catholic Church of Immaculate Conception-Upper Drumgooland in Leitrim townland on the road between Castlewellan and Dromore. The graveyard has mainly 20th century graves. PRONI & NLI have baptisms, marriages & burials 1832-1880;UHF has baptisms 1827 -1900 & marriages 1827 -1900; LDS Film # 0926082 has baptisms 26 May 1827- 28 Dec 1800, marriages 9 Aug 1827- 28 Dec 1880, burials 6 May 1828- 2 Nov 1880]
Gargary Catholic Church- Lower Drumgooland on the road between Banbridge and Castlewellan modern graveyard; PRONI & NLI have baptisms & marriages & burials 1827-1880; LDS has baptisms 1817-1946; UHF has baptisms 1832-1900 & marriages 1886-1900
James DRAKE . Drumgooland of Backaderry; with Patrick O'Hare, leased 11 acres in 1849 from Annesley estate, rent for 1/2 year was £2.19.6; in arrears by £20.16.6 AERR [Jim adds Backaderry townland is between Leitrim village and the Annesley estate at Castlewellan]
Miss Maria DRAKE . Drumgooland regt. Ballyward; wife of Hugh Kelly; mother of Agnes b. 1865 CR [Jim adds Ballyward is the next village on the west side of Leitrim
Miss Rose DRAKE . Drumgooland regt. Ballyward; wife of Hugh Heenan; mother of Patrick b. 1869 CR
Anyway good luck, Jim
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Cheers Jim, I did go down the road of the Ulster Society pay per view site, Paid the £6 for :o for one record of John Drake from Banbridge Dromore, whose father turned out to be John and got quite excited.I then paid another £6! for Alice's record and they had different fathers (Mind lived in same town and on same street unbelievably!) .
So back square one.
As for the rest, I think i'll have to read your message again and again to digest..its flying well over my head at moment ;D
cheers
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just found in Griffiths valuation of Ireland about 1845-1865 includes
Drake James Derryboy Killyleagh Down. A search for Drake in Co Down produces over ten Drakes in www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
Anyway good luck, Jim
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Is this valuation record people who held land in Ireland ?
Cant see of my lot having anything,came to England to make new life for themselves in the mines and Flax factory of Cleator Moor Cumbria...also known as 'little Ireland' over here :)
amazed see Killyleagh mentioned though, perhaps family folklore was right!
cheers
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Some Cleator Moor Drakes with irish births are listed on familysearch, If you look up a seachengine eg Google you will get a description of Griffiths valuations. There are notebooks and maps associated, however I am back because of yet more Killyleagh connections, this is from Rootsweb
From: "Yvonne Lascelles" XXXX
Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] County Down and connections to Iowa,particularily Dubuque Co & Jackson CO
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:49:02 -0000
>From the Griffiths Valuation for killyleagh.abt 1864
Drake James Derryboy
Killyleagh Down
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanley M. Berkner" XXXX
To: XXXX
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] County Down and connections to Iowa,particularily
Dubuque Co & Jackson CO
> Hewr you are:
> Mary Anne Murphy [nee Drake] -- my direct ancestor
> illiam Drake -- her brother
> Eliza Jane Halse [nee Drake] -- her sister
> All were from Killyleagh, Co. Down, but some, if not all, stopped in
> NY on the way to Winneshiek Co., IA. My data from there on is pretty
> solid; it's from Iowa back that has holes, although I have a few solid
> records from Co. Down.
> Stan B.
Keep going, but I am off onto my own family again, Jim
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Hi Jim, can you link me to that original mssage please, Cant seem to find it.
By way you researching Gracey's ? have them in my family too ;D
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I hope I have the right message for you.
archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NIR-DOWN/2007-02/1171392542
At the tender age of 14 in 1949 I joined the schools Combined Cadet force and immediately came under the towering influence of a giant ex RSM Percy Drake and still have all my teeth [well almost at 72] to prove it ;D Actually he was a gentle giant but he could be the reason I have become slightly hard of hearing nowdays! Sometime let me know the oldest Gracey connection in your history
Jim
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Thanks for that Jim, Ive mailed the person in question.
Regarding Graceys, I have a Robert and Mary A Gracey from Co Down born late Eighteen thirties and emmigrated to Whitehaven in Cumbria
Their Daughter Catherine lived until she wa sabout 108 i believe ! :)
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Have a small knowledge of drakes killyleagh. Will have a look for it. I am researching drakes in Downpatrick.
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That would be great, Cheers
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29 Jun 1921
patrick SMYTH
sarah maria DRAKE
Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
Killyleagh
Downpatrick
Down
08 Mar 1921
george DRAKE
mary SMYTH
Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
Killyleagh
Downpatrick
Down
30 Nov 1917
andrew DRAKE
rosena MURPHY
Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
Killyleagh
Downpatrick
Down
03 Nov 1910
thomas DEMPSTER
mary DRAKE
Lissara Presbyterian Church
Kilmore
Downpatrick
Down
02 Nov 1906
hugh DRAKE
agnes RILEY
Raffrey Presbyterian Church
Killinchy
Downpatrick
24 Sep 1905
john MURRAY
ellen DRAKE
Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
Killyleagh
Downpatrick
Down
04 Nov 1898
thomas FRIARS
margaret ann DRAKE
Kilmore Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Kilmore
Downpatrick
Down
06 Dec 1887
william DOBBIN
jane DRAKE
Spa Presbyterian Church
Magheradrool
Downpatrick
Down
01 Feb 1878
hugh DRAKE
margaret MCMULLAN
Lissara Presbyterian Church
Kilmore
Downpatrick
Down
18 Jun 1876
robert DENVIR
elizabeth DRAKE
Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
Killyleagh
Downpatrick
Down
22 May 1852
james DRAKE
margaret WHITE
Downpatrick Civil Registrars Office
Down
Downpatrick
Down
09 Jun 1848
robert MCCAMMON
eliza DRAKE
Downpatrick Civil Registrars Office
1901 census Killyleagh Parish,Killinchy in the Woods.....(between Killyleagh and Crossgar) Eliza Drake 1 room house with 4 persons. The electoral division is Crossgar although the parish is Killyleagh.
You may have these but if you get a connection to Downpatrick give me a shout
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Cheers for those, Mine are bit further back to about 1820-1830
But looks like plenty Drakes in the area after that time.
Any idea when Killyleagh Roman Catholic Church
was built ? and if there was no church there in 1820 would they have gone to Crossgar ?
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The history of the Killyleagh Roman Catholic Churches are on Ros Davies website under churches, then by civil parish. So there you will find a record of Killyleagh people walking to and from mass in Crossgar in 1824, but there was an earlier catholic church. her notes are good, Jim
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Capt. Jim,
Reckon that Percy Drake took you for an impostor and was trying to knock your middle "T"s in to proper shape!
His family married in to ours.
I'll put you in contact with our "ould fella" who will enjoy swapping boxing stories with you.
Cheers & Vermouth, Ho!
Capt. Jock
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Thanks for that Jim, Ive mailed the person in question.
Regarding Graceys, I have a Robert and Mary A Gracey from Co Down born late Eighteen thirties and emmigrated to Whitehaven in Cumbria
Their Daughter Catherine lived until she wa sabout 108 i believe ! :)
Hi there,
I'm researching an Andrew Drake, from around 1890-1930, from the Killyleagh/Crossgar/Kilmore/Tullykin area of County Down. His son, Henry "Harry" Drake was born in 1917. Harry served with The Irish Guards in the 1930s, but "disappeared after discharge in 1947, until his death was recorded in Glasgow 1960. Harry's burial is being sought by a descendant, who believes it may bee around the Crossgar/Kilmore area, in an unmarked or overgrown grave, but he is struggling to find any record or reason why this information was recorded as it is. Andrew's great grandson, Rob Drake, in The States is seeking any information.
Just as a complete by-the-way, I see one of your ancestral names is Tate, a variation on my name (Tait), I know of connections in Glasgow/Edinburgh/Inverness-shire, wonder if there's a connection - all reivers! Any DNA stat available on your side?
Ken
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There’s a marriage for an Andrew Drake from Tullykin to Rosenna Murphy on 13.11.1917:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09759/5541938.pdf
This is probably him in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Crossgar/Crossgar/239079/
Son Henry looks to have been born 12.4.1918. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk
You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.
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Yes, That's the correct family okay, I'll forward this info to Rob - I suspect he may already have this, but It will help him to know we're looking in the correct area.
Thanks for your input,
Ken
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There’s a marriage for an Andrew Drake from Tullykin to Rosenna Murphy ............
Both bride and groom living in Tullykin.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/dufferin/killyleagh/tullykin/
KG