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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: anner on Wednesday 26 September 07 17:20 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I have a Thomas Sankey, born 1812 Woodhouses, he then stayed in the surrounding area until his death in 1879. His children seemed to follow in his footsteps as he was a farmer.
On the 1861 census he is farming at Hill Farm, and in 1871 he is at Sankeys Farm, after he dies the children are always at Woodhouses.
What I wanted to know is, is there any old maps that I would be able to locate Sankeys Farm on, I know that there is a Sankeys Corner which was named after the farm and was on one corner of it.
Also where would he have been likely to have been buried.
Thanking every one in advance.
Regards
Anne
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Hi Anne,
There are some old maps on the Staffs "Past Tracks" website
http://www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/engine/GIS/default.asp?reset=1
Haven't checked your area, but you may find something there.
GENUKI has a page for Burntwood
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Burntwood/index.html
which refers to Christ Church and also has links to a local history website for the area
If you haven't come across it before this site has lots of transcriptions of MIs from Staffs & some surrounding area - many done by Alf Beard ("Alf" on Rootschat) - always worth a search
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/search_form.html
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Hi mshrmh,
I will certainly have a look at the links. Hopefully something will come up.
Regards
Anne
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Hello,
Have you tried www.old-maps.co.uk as there are often several maps for an area, dating back to the late 1800s, and the ones with 1:10560 scale have zoom facilities etc.
From the home page, click on the left hand box that refers to the gazeteer and this takes you to the county lists.
I have found the site very useful for tracing 'lost' sites.
Handm
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Hi handm and mshrmh,
I have looked at the links that you have both put on for me (thank you both) and I found Thomas sankey on one of the documents on the "staffspasttrack" so he was definately there. It states that he wasnt an owner farmer. Now my problem is, why would he call a farm after his surname if he wasnt an owner. I have also looked at the map site, I cannot find Sankey farm, but did find the one he was farming previous to that "Hill Farm". Thomas' children were all to do with farms and his son Edward is farming at Sandfield, Thomas jnr, and William being farm Bailiffs.
A bit more googling and rummaging needed I think.
Regards
Anne.
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Hi Anne - just a thought re the farm name - maybe he was the tenant of a relative - eg his father or uncle. The dates you mention are too late for the tithe maps - I wonder whether Staffs Archives would have anything that is of use? I realise you're not local, but it might be worth a good dig in their online catalogue (incomplete at 80% of their holdings) or seeing if they could suggest anything via e-mail or a phone call. I know they have various old maps at Stafford so they may be able to help.
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Hi mshrmh,
i will do that anything is worth a try. and I am sure that I found his parents on the IGI so will have another look and see if I can find them on a census. I should have thought of that one before.
He could have been a relative of someone, I never even thought of that. Also I was thinking that if he was known locally, the farm could have been referred to as "Sankeys Farm" and it just stuck. Just a thought.
Regards
Anne.
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Hi Anne - I had a brainwave - there's a history site online that has a lot of interesting stuff on Staffs
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/
When I searched on Burntwood there's a specific mention of Thomas Sankey, Sankey's Corner & Bridge Cross Farm - I suspect there might be a copyright issue if I quoted directly so the link to the page is
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=42356&strquery=burntwood
and it is the paragraph starting "Several farms were formed after the 1861 inclosure. Bridge Cross farm "...
There's also maps on that site (haven't looked at them, myself).
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Hi mshrmh,
I found that site earlier and found Thomas on there, I was really pleased to see that both places were mentioned as it falls in line with the info I have.
Regards
Anne.
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Burial of Sankey family would have been at Chasetown Cem' I reckon. Cem' is opposite St Ann's Parish Church, Chase town. My Chase Terrace ancestors buried Chasetown
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There's a couple of local history sites relative to Chase Terrace, Burntwood etc they are:
http://www.burntwoodchaseheritage.co.uk
http://www.latham45.freeserve.co.uk
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Hi oldjim,
Many thanks for those websites. I am planning a trip to York at Easter next year so may have to take a detour and have a look in the cemetary. I know that most of my Sankeys died at Burntwood so hopefully that is where they are buried.
Again many thanks.
Regards
Anne.
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Ann don't expect too much from your visit to the cem' at Chasetown. I originate from Chase Terrace (know Sankeys Corner very well tho now live Yorkshire) and was at the cem' last year. The bulk of the cem' was overgrown - grass about 2ft high. Been a lot of complaints about it in the local press.
Hope you enjoy your visit to York, not a bad place and has some very good museums. The National Railway Museum is large and well worth a visit.
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Hi Jim,
Do you know where I would be able to get info for the number of the grave, if they have been kept.
From what I gather Sankeys corner was on one corner of Sankeys Farm, what thee farm was called originally is anyones guess. After looking at the ebsite it seems that it is all gone now. Although he was a tenant farmer there was another farm he lived at, just cant remember thename of it at the moment.
My trip to Yorkshire is going to be fun, as I am looking to get photos of places my rellies lived. Dad was adopted at birth and we have been really lucky to have come a long way forward as well as a long way back, lots of Scots and then my bioligical Grandmother was born in York. Most of the family stayed in York, and going to get photos of where they lived and where born. They seem to all have been in Walmsgate and Micklegate. Handy as some of them were watermen.
Regards
Anne.
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Hi Anne. Before I forget - you mentioned Bridge Cross Farm. I'm pretty sure it was by the side of Sankeys Corner (probably before the corner got it's name) as I seem to remember someone telling me the Bridge Cross Working Mans Club stands on wot was the farm site. Was in the club a couple of years ago at a late cousin's Wake.
Altho' Sankeys Corner is at Chase Terrace the area is now more generally known as Burntwood.
Can't help on location of burial plots, not sure where the parish records would be kept. Might be worth your while putting up a thread " Burial Records St Anns Parish Church Chasetown"
I've some pics of Sankeys Corner, Chasetown etc on a CD somewhere will try to find and put a thread up with them on. SEE PAGE 2 FOR PICS
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Should have thought ogf this for previous post. There's a site http://www.curiousfox.com has or had ye olde maps. I haven't been on the site for some months tho.
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Sankeys Corner in the 1940s. First time I've tried to place pic on here as only joined t'other day. The last building on the left (standing diagonal to the road) was the local cinema. Over to the right from the cinema, where the large tree is, would (if I'm correct) have been Bridge Cross Farm. Will post another pic of same place but taken last year. Tried to do two pics in one go but wouldn't work
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This pic is Sankeys Corner 2006. The red brick building is a block of flats and stand on the site of the former cinema. Bridge Cross Working Mans Club is set back from the road (top right) so not in view.
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hi all
another possible burial place might be Christ Church, Burntwood - on the corner of Church Road and Farewell Lane. Farewell Lane off of the main A590 towards Lichfield (Woodhouses and Edial are also reached off this road too).
Here's a link for the Church Website whereby you can make contact: http://www.acny.org.uk/venue.php?V=4188
Regards
Graham
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Was in Chase Terrace yesterday. Asked an elderley cousin about Bridge Cross Farm and she said the Bridge Cross Working Mans Club was built on the site. She also thought your burials would have been at Chasetown but........... if any died in Burntwood then could be buried in local church yard tho it ain't all that big.
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Thank You both Jim and Graham,
If I get there to Lichfield I will go on a trawl. I am going to get in touch with Christ Church as well see what that brings up.
regards
Anne.
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I have no idea how old this thread is, but I know where Thomas Sankey is buried, if you are still interested!