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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: ndedross on Monday 20 December 04 13:19 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know where, in Derbyshire, Catstone was (c.1850). I can't find it on a modern map. I am expecting somewhere in the NW of the county? Google comes up with a place near Wirksworth/Matlock, which doesn't seem right.
Many thanks.
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Catstone Bilborough Road Nottingham NG8 4DS
i looked up old maps this came up but it looked like it was a large building
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Thank you for the search - but I think Nottingham will be too far away.
I am going to look at the original 1881 Census image to see if his birthplace has been mis-transcribed. There is what looks like a farm called Capstone near New Mills/Mellor in NW Derbyshire which I just came across by chance. This would be a more logical location.
But for now I'll add the location you so kindly found to the possibilities.
Nigel
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John Livsley abt 1846 Catestone, Derbyshire, England Head Walmersley Cum Shuttleworth 1881 census
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John Livesly/Livesley is the person my wife is researching. Unfortunately, there is no place called Catestone that I've found in Derbyshire, and only Catstone Barn near Wirksworth or the place you found near Nottingham that might work.
But, I have now (yesterday!) found John in the 1841 Census living in Disley, Cheshire. His birthplace is given as Mellor, Derbyshire. There is a farm to the south of Mellor on the OS Map called Capstone. John's father came from New Mills. New Mills, Disley, Mellor are all within a few miles of each other, around NW Derbyshire. So, I'm thinking that Catestone must be a transcription or entry error in the 1881 Census.
Many thanks for your help
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is'nt genealogy fun
i found these so i will send them they may fit somewhere .happy new year sylvia
1841 wirksworth census Mk246l LIVESAY John 45
1881 wirksworth censusW132c LIVESEY Charles 6
Cm227f LIVESEY Jane 22
W132a LIVESEY John Thomas 28
W132d LIVESEY Percy 2
W132e LIVESEY Sydney 1
1891 ww census
Mk0021e LIVESLEY Edith 14 living with a Smith family
Mk0021d LIVESLEY Jane 32
1901 ww census
Mk1228d LIVERSLY Arthur 9 nephew living with Smith family
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Thanks, Sylvia.
I'm sure that they all fit somehow.
People seem to have been more mobile in the early 1800's than one is led to believe. I have an ancestor who moved from Ayr to Poplar, London before 1800. My wife's ancestor moved from Disley/New Mills to Bury at the same time his uncle went to Blackburn (he later returned with a wife and two children - at least). My wife's father, born in Bury, grew up near Boston, USA - but returned to marry her mother!! Talk about nomads!
Happy New Year,
Nigel
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i looked up wyatt and saw that the livesey name was with it
forgot where i found info apart from a glossop page
29 Oct John WYATT; 23 yrs; Bachelor; Butcher; Res: New Mills; Father
William; Machine Printer & Martha Ann LIVESLEY; 22 yrs; Spinster; No occup;
Res: New Mills; Father Samuel; Deceased Witnesses: William James Wyatt
Catherine Wyatt
22 Oct William James WYATT; 20 yrs; Bachelor; Coachman; Res: New Mills;
Father William, Machine Printer & Catherine MANTELL; 19 yrs; Spinster; No
occup; Res: New Mills; Father Joseph; Hair dresser Witnesses: John Wyatt
Martha Ann Livesley
31 May Edward TURNER; Full age; Widower, Cotton maker, Res: Hayfield; Father
Samuel; Labourer & Maria WYATT; Full age; Spinster; No occup; Res: Hayfield;
Father William; Rock cutter Witnesses: Toby Bradbury Joseph Walton
2 Nov Eli LOWE; 48 yrs; Widower; Labourer; Res: Hayfield; & Ann WYATT; 40
yrs; Spinster; No occup; Res; Hayfield; Father; Henry; Block jointer
Witnesses: Samuel Wyatt Mary Scholes
23 Sep James William HORTON? 23yrs; Bachelor; Mason; Res: Birch Vale; Father
Frances; Mason & Margaret Alice WYATT; 21 yrs; Spinster, No occup; Res:
Birch Vale, Father George, Manager Witnesses: George Wyatt John
Winterbottom
15 Apr Tom WYATT; 22 yrs; Bachelor; Labourer; Res: Thornsett; Father Thomas;
Labourer & Alice Amelia WATERHOUSE; 21 yrs; Spinster; No occup Res:
Thornsett; Father James; Block Printer Witnesses: Edward Summerfold Margaret
Ann Shaw
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Many thanks.
Do you have the year?
Unfortunately, both Martha Ann and Samuel Livesley are 'common' family names. But there is a Martha Ann (b. 1835) with a brother who was a butcher - so that would be a nice fit (he hopes!).
I tried a quick Google search but didn't relocate the page.
Best wishes,
Nigel
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Nigel
I have just looked at the actual 1881 entry on the census image and it does say Catestone or possibly Catistone. So either the enumerator didn't hear correctly or he was confused by your ancestors broad northern accent ;D
Carol
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previous info
http://members.lycos.co.uk/u4l25/glossop/GlosCens.html
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this is another stone to turn 1871 census
Ann Lievesley 54 Derbyshire, England Sister Unstone Derbyshire
John Lievesley 59 Derbyshire, England Head Unstone Derbyshire
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wild cards
1871 census
Elizabeth A Livesley 9 Derbyshire, England Daughter Beard Derbyshire
Fanny Livesley 32 Cheshire, England Wife Beard Derbyshire
Jabez Livesley 35 Derbyshire, England Head Beard Derbyshire
Martha Livesley 6 months Derbyshire, England Daughter Beard Derbyshire
Mary A Livesley 2 Derbyshire, England Daughter Beard Derbyshire
Samuel Livesley 7 Derbyshire, England Son Beard Derbyshire
RG10/3648
Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
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James Greenwood 12 Cheshire, England Son Featherstone Yorkshire
William Greenwood 10 Lancashire, England Son Featherstone Yorkshire
Ann Livesley 37 Lancashire, England Wife Featherstone Yorkshire
Thomas Livsey 11 Lancashire, England Son Featherstone Yorkshire
William Livsey 33 Cheshire, England Head Featherstone Yorkshire
Mary livsley (Unknown) 12 months Lancashire, England Son Featherstone Yorkshire
William livsley (Unknown) 9 Lancashire, England Son Featherstone Yorkshire
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Ada E Leavesley 8 months Warwickshire, England Daughter Newton Regis Warwickshire
Joseph Leavesley 23 Warwickshire, England Head Newton Regis Warwickshire
Martha Leavesley 21 Derbyshire, England Wife Newton Regis Warwickshire
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Carol (2 messages back),
Thank you looking at the 1881 original. Funnily enough, I was thinking that William might have had a slight speech impediment. There are a couple of odd interpretations, and somehow Livesley became Livsley just as state education came into play. I am pretty sure that John was born in Capstone - there is a lot of circumstantial evidence now to support that.
Maidmarianoops!,
Well! Many thanks.
Jabez we have in 1851 and 1881 so that is a nice piece to add.
The others are probably related, but don't quite fit at the moment! The Featherstone family is interesting. My wife is descended from the John born in Capstone (living in Walmersley near Bury). She was born in Preston, but grew up near Featherstone - although all the immediate Livsley relations were in Lancashire. Her whole family appear to be nomads - her father was born in Bury, grew up in Andover (Massachusettes!), then returned to Preston.
Nigel
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Ive just discovered this site through typing in William livesley into google and this thread came up, i am trying to trace a William livesley born 1819 (i think ) in disley, which i thought was cheshire, but perhaps it used be derbyshire. My livesleys were printers in manchester, and i think williams father was a john. can anyone help me out whether my family is connected to the livesleys you are discussing? thank you
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Julie,
I'm going to send you a PM.
It is almost certain that you are related to wife's Livesley family.
Disley is ion Cheshire, but New Mills, Derbyshire is only a mile away. Catstone is most certainly Catstone just north of New Mills.
Our William was born in 1813, and there was a large clan of Livesleys in the area. Your William, may be the same as ours or a cousin.
Nigel & Susan
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My G G G Grandfather was William Livesley born 1813 in Hayfield Derbyshire. He was baptised 20/02/1814 at Wesleyan Chapel, New Mills. His father was John and his mother Hannah from Disley in Chesher. I am a descendant of William Livesley and Martha Stafford's son James. Is this William the same as your wife's William?
Regards
Lorraine
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Lorraine - This looks like the same family. I've sent you a PM
Cheers,
Nigel
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Hi Nigel
(sorry, might be being a bit dim, cant work out how to reply to a pm)
I got the name of William's father from a baptism record http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/newmills_wes_bapt/newmills_wes_bapt_7.html. Did you know that William had a brother called Thomas born 1815. And that Martha Stafford's father, Peter, was Drowned at Bugsworth in the Canal, according to the Diary of John Warren.
I dont think James is alive in 1891, his wife is living in Bolton Lancs with son George, adopted daughter Sarah Chandslam age 8 and a 8 month old baby called Betsy Holdon who is listed as "daughter" - need to think about that one.
All the best
Lorraine
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I have seen that baptism. But, the marriage of William Livesley & Martha Stafford gives his father as James - a Farmer. Transcription is on www.Disley.net under Taxal Registers Marriages.
LIVESLEY
William
labourer
Whaley
James Livesley
farmer
STAFFORD
Martha
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Whaley
Peter Stafford
bobbin turner
3 Nov 1839
Are you a subscriber to Ancestry.co.uk? Our tree is on there - we have 8 siblings for William. If not, I can send what we have to you even if it has to be bits at a time!
I didn't know of Peter Staffords drowning - was he drunk?
Cheers,
Nigel & Susan
PS, I think after 3 Posts you can send a PM???
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Hi Nigel and Susan
Marriage record must be correct, I will change mine to James. I dont have access to Ancestry.com. I use Genes Reunited.
My Livesley line moved to Heywood in the late 1800's. I still live there. My mum was Honora Livesley. My mum's brothers both had a son each but after that the Livesley line stops. There is still a chance that one of my cousin's might go on to have a son you never know.
Any info you have would be fantastic. I only have Thomas.
Speak soon
Lorraine
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Hi Lorraine
We do have Honora in our tree.
I also think that James died around 1881 (after the Census). He is living with his sister Emma Chamberlain, which seems a little strange, with his wife and child living elsewhere. In 1891, one of Mary’s adopted children is Sarah Chamberlain, the daughter of Emma. She does seem to be a Victorian foster mother. By the way, I think Betsy Holden is an adopted daughter (the enumerator faced with two adopted children wrote ‘adopted’ in one box and ‘daughter’ in the one below saving ink, time and the challenge of fitting big words into small boxes!
I’ve sent our email address by PM.
Cheers,
Susan & Nigel