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It has just been pointed out to me that the birth and christening of my Great Grandmother are in the IGI and at St Werburgh'S, Chester, Cheshire, England. I have checked there many times going back years so I presume they must be still adding records as I am sure it was not there previously.
The record is
Isabella Hammond
Birth: 30 JUL 1846
Christening: 09 AUG 1846 St Werburgh's, Chester
Father: Mark Hammond
Mother: Catherine O'Shea
I wonder if it is possible for some to check the register to see if there is any information about her father.
We think that Mark HAMMOND was a soldier from Yorkshire, he married Catherine O'Shea in Quebec in 1844 (the marriage record is here (http://picasaweb.google.com/mbriscoe2/MARRIAGE)). They had a son in 1845 in Quebec then we think he was killed or died. In the 1851 Census Catherine is living with the two children in Laverton, Yorkshire as Widow Pauper (formerly a soldier's wife). But we have not been able to find anything out about his military service.
Which church would be St Werburgh's be? I can see there is a RC church built in 1870 but also there are references to the cathedral being dedicated to St Werburgh.
My theory is that after the death of Mark, his widow would be "returned" to where he enlisted as the army tends to do things "by the book". They could have passed through Chester on the way to Yorkshire from Canada perhaps via an army barracks there or just the workhouse.
I can't see the birth in CheshireBMD.
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Still puzzled by this, the IGI Batch Number is C010185
The IGI has baptisms at St. Werburgh's Catholic Church, Chester back to 1794 and always refers to the Cathedral as such.
We have wondered whether her mother might be RC being Irish and married in a RC church in Quebec.
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Hi
Chester Cathedral is dedicated to St Werburgh but always known as the Cathedral, it is a completly differant church to St Werburgh RC Grosvenor Park Road. Built 1875.
But this means there could not have been a baptism there in 1846 ?
You could send the details to the email address in this link http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/aboutus/recoffcontact.tm
and ask them to verify which register it comes from, they don't usually make a charge for this kind of search.
You can find a description of all the Chester churches at this link
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/chester.html
peterbennett
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Hi
Chester Cathedral is dedicated to St Werburgh but always known as the Cathedral, it is a completly differant church to St Werburgh RC Grosvenor Park Road. Built 1875.
You can find a description of all the Chester churches at this link
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/chester.html
peterbennett
Thanks, I have got confirmation from the Record Office also that it is the RC church. It's only a couple of quid for a copy so Ihave sent off for one from there.
I don't think that it is going to tell me a lot more but be good to get a copy.
Martin
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Hi
Sorry our posts must have crossed, I have ammended my original post.
peterbennett
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Is it not just the current building that is from the 1870s?
This is what the Cheshire Record Office catalogue has
FindingNo ERC 3
Level Collection (Fonds)
Title Chester St Werburgh Roman Catholic church
Date 1794-1948
Description Baptisms 1794-1948, marriages 1822-1973, burials 1861-1993, register of grave plots at Queen St chapel and burial entries 1827-53, indexes to baptism registers c1790- 1956
Extent 27 volumes
Martin Briscoe
(By the way is it possible to store the signature so it is inserted by the system?)
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Hi
Yes of course you are right when you say it was built on the same grounds as the demolished chapel, silly me.
(By the way is it possible to store the signature so it is inserted by the system?)
Not my knowledge, sorry.
peterbennett
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Hi
Yes of course you are right when you say it was built on the same grounds as the demolished chapel, silly me.
(By the way is it possible to store the signature so it is inserted by the system?)
Not my knowledge, sorry.
peterbennett
Must hunt around to see if there are any pictures of the old chapel.
Thanks, I keep forgetting to sign because used to other sites inserting the sig!
Martin
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I just got the 1871 and 1912 maps from the Digital Archives Association (http://digitalarchives.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=11&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=83) so thought I would have a look for St Werburgh's RC Church. Easily seen on the 1912 25" map but the 1871 6" has a blank space, it looks as if perhaps they blanked it when the old chapel was taken down. There are several other places that looked as if they could have been blanked out.
Was the Cathedral originally St Oswald's? It seems to have that name on the earlier map.
Sorry if this is not an actual lookup but follows on from my earlier messages.
Martin Briscoe
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The cathedral is St Werburgh's. St Oswald's is the name of the parish.
There also used to be a church, St Oswald's in Queen Street, which is only a hop skip and jump from the cathedral, (but now you have to go through BHS or Tesco to get there ;D )
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OK thanks, just caught my eye whilst looking for the RC church.
Martin
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For what its worth, I also have a baptism from St. Werburgh's chapel from 1841. It shows the priest as Edward Carbery, he shows up on the 1851 census at Queens street. St. John Parrish, Chester. Not sure where this is.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, found the following, (which answers my question about the location of St. Werburgh's church prior to 1875), at:
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=6&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=st%20werburgh&properties=0601;
ST. WERBURGH'S R.C. JUNIOR SCHOOL
hit[from Administrative History] St. Werburgh's R.C. School was built in Queen Street in 1854. The Roman Catholic Church of St. Werburgh was opened in Queen Street in 1799, and classes were probably held before a school was built in 1854. Additional school buildings were erected in 1870. A new church was built in Grosvenor Park Road in 1875. In 1967 St. Werburgh's juniors moved into the premises in Love Street, vacated by the girls of Love Street School. St. Werburgh's infants remained in Queen Street until 1968, when a new infant school opened in Westminster Road, Hoole.
ALSO:
Roman Catholic Church, St Werburgh parish, Chester
[from Administrative History] The Queens Street chapel, predecessor of St Werburgh, was erected after 1796 by the Rev Thomas Penswick, although there is evidence of the existence of a priest in Chester before this date. By the 1860s, the chapel had become unable to cater for the growing congregation, and St Werburgh was built in 1875, and extended between 1904 and 1914.
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Hello there,
You may find it worthwhile to contact the Chester Heritage and History Centre on Bridge St Row, Chester. This is housed in the old St Michael's Church. They have their own archive, including a Digital Image Bank, specifically on Chester City itself.
Their web site is: http://www.chester.gov.uk/tourism_and_leisure/culture_and_leisure/chester_history_and_heritage.aspx
E-Mail: chh-- at --chester.gov.uk
Queens Street still exists and is in Chester city centre. There are 2 churches there, one of which just has the front remaining and this forms the back entrance to Tesco. The other is known as Queen Street Christian Centre and I thnik this was a Welsh Methodist church originally.
Good luck.
Jo.
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Hello there,
You may find it worthwhile to contact the Chester Heritage and History Centre on Bridge St Row, Chester. This is housed in the old St Michael's Church. They have their own archive, including a Digital Image Bank, specifically on Chester City itself.
Their web site is: http://www.chester.gov.uk/tourism_and_leisure/culture_and_leisure/chester_history_and_heritage.aspx
E-Mail: chh-- at --chester.gov.uk
Queens Street still exists and is in Chester city centre. There are 2 churches there, one of which just has the front remaining and this forms the back entrance to Tesco. The other is known as Queen Street Christian Centre and I thnik this was a Welsh Methodist church originally.
Good luck.
Jo.
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Thanks, just be nice to have a picture. I got the details of the baptism record from the archives.
I have now found that my theory she was widow and returned to England after her husband's death was incorrect.
She was probably born in Ireland emigrated to Canada. Mark was in the 68th Regiments which returned to England in 1844 soon after the Baptism of their son. They were at various places in England until moving to Chester in 1847. My Great Grandmother was born there and Baptised at St Werburgh's around the time that the regiment went to Ireland. He died/killed in Ireland the following year. I must get stuck into seeing if I can find any more in Ireland but might have a look at the regimental archive in Durham first.
Martin Briscoe
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Their links to the Chester Image Bank just go to a commercial / advertising / SPAM site
I have sent them an EMail to let them know
Martin Briscoe
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They link to
http://www.chesterimagebank.com/
The real URL is
http://chesterimagebank.org.uk/
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For what its worth, I also have a baptism from St. Werburgh's chapel from 1841. It shows the priest as Edward Carbery, he shows up on the 1851 census at Queens street. St. John Parrish, Chester. Not sure where this is.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, found the following, (which answers my question about the location of St. Werburgh's church prior to 1875), at:
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=6&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=st%20werburgh&properties=0601;
St John's parish I believe is Refering to St John's Church which is the church next to the park in Chester in Little St John Street or off St John street some resident of chester refert to the road by both names