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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Gregc on Monday 24 September 07 01:08 BST (UK)
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My name is Greg Collier and I live in Australia. I am trying to find the Collier family.
my GGGF is Alfred Collier born 1855 in Salford, his father was John Collier born abt 1830. Alfred married Elizabeth Ambrose, daughter of John Ambrose.
my GGF is John Alfred Collier born in 1880, Salford and he married Susan Gwilliam, daughter of William Gwilliam. John and Susan moved to Australia around 1911.
my GF is John Alfred Collier born 1905, Manchester. He married Alma Cullen in Australia.
my Father is Frederick Collier born 1933, NSW, Australia and he married Elizabeth Lang.
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Hello Greg,
Welcome to RootsChat
What kind of information are you looking for -would you like your ancestors looking up on the census returns
British census go from 1841-1901
Or would you like birth/marriage registrations?
Suz
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Hi Gregc
Welcome to Rootschat.
Could this be Alfred?
1861 census RG9/2891 Folio 6
John Collier Head 34 b Manchester, Lancashire Auctioneer assistant
Jane Wife 33 b Manchester
Margaret J Dau 11 b Salford
Arthur Son 7 b Salford
Alfred Son 5 b Salford
Frederick Son 2 b Salford
John Hy Son 3mths b Manchester
35 Vine St, Hulme, Lancashire
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Marriage
Alfred Collier ~ Elizabeth Ambrose
Year 1878 Qtr Mar Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 290
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Sue
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Marriage
John Alfred Collier ~ Susan Gwilliam
Year 1904 Qtr Dec Dist: Salford Vol 8d pg 113
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Willow, you seem to have the right one. can John Collier on the Census be traced to the next census and Alfred?
Suz, I am just after anything that I can get.
If anyone needs more info I can be emailed on
gregc@dart.net.au
Thanks
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1871 RG10/3998 Folio 61
John Collier Head 44 b Manchester Auctioneers clerk
Jane Wife 43 b Salford Muffin maker
Alfred Son 15 b Salford Assistant co??press?? printer
Frank Son 12 b Salford Errand boy
John H Son 10 b Manchester
Selena Dau 8 b Manchester
Clara Dau 4 b Manchester
35 House & Shop, Vine St, Hulme, Lancashire
Sue
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This all looks good. I just need to find a positive conection between Alfred and John then I will know. Thanks so much.
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You may already have this...
1881 RG11/3983 Folio 44
Alfred Collier Head 28 b Salford Packer In Warehouse (Cotton Manuf)
Elizabeth Wife 22 b Manchester
Harry Son 2 b Manchester
John A Son 11 mths b Manchester
John Ambrose Father 56 b Liverpool Baller Of Cotton (Manuf)
Alice Ambrose Sister 15 b Manchester Dubler Of Cotton (Manuf)
6 Smith St, Manchester, Lancashire
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Alfred Collier
Christening: 2nd DEC 1855, Cathedral, Manchester
Father: John
Mother: Jane
Sue
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Do you think that this is the right conection. I am new at this but it looks like it to me.
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More christenings at Cathedral, Manchester...
Arthur 23rd Jul 1854
John Henry 23rd Jun 1861
Frank 23rd Jun 1861
Selina 17th Mar 1864
Frederick 2nd Apr 1865
Clara 3rd Nov 1867
and probably more ;)
http://www.familysearch.org/
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Do you think that this is the right conection. I am new at this but it looks like it to me.
The only way to be certain is to obtain birth & marriage certificates, but it looks quite probable to me.
Sue
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I can't find John & Jane on the 1891 census,
so here is one possibilty..
Death
Jane Collier age 52
Year 1879 Qtr Sep Dist: Salford Vol 8d pg 70
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You are a Gem, thanks Sue.... :)
Greg
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It has to be them. They seem to have been around Salford for a long time.
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1891 RG10/3234 Folio 29
Alfred Collier Head 30? b Salford Hydraulic packer
Elizabeth Wife 31 b Manchester
Amy Dau 12 b Manchester
John A Son 10 b Manchester
Frederick Son 6 b Manchester
Alice Dau 5 b Manchester
Albert Son 4 Manchester
Frank Son 2 b Manchester
John Ambrose Father in law 66 Widr b Liverpool retired confectioner
46 South Porter St, Manchester
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The last post is spot on. Its what I alredy have recorded. You are good. It looks like you have them all.
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Will look to see if any siblings are nearby...
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Can you get any further back on the below or am I asking to much.
1871 RG10/3998 Folio 61
John Collier Head 44 b Manchester Auctioneers clerk
Jane Wife 43 b Salford Muffin maker
Alfred Son 15 b Salford Assistant co??press?? printer
Frank Son 12 b Salford Errand boy
John H Son 10 b Manchester
Selena Dau 8 b Manchester
Clara Dau 4 b Manchester
35 House & Shop, Vine St, Hulme, Lancashire
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Of course...will have a look :)
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Back to where we started ;D
Hi Gregc
Welcome to Rootschat.
Could this be Alfred?
1861 census RG9/2891 Folio 6
John Collier Head 34 b Manchester, Lancashire Auctioneer assistant
Jane Wife 33 b Manchester
Margaret J Dau 11 b Salford
Arthur Son 7 b Salford
Alfred Son 5 b Salford
Frederick Son 2 b Salford
John Hy Son 3mths b Manchester
35 Vine St, Hulme, Lancashire
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2 possible marriages
John Collier ~ Jane Tennant
Year 1853 Qtr Dec Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 221
John Collier ~ Jane Austwick
Year 1857 Qtr Jun Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 148
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
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One would think that the eldest child Margaret that was born around 1850 would prob make the 1853 marriage the closest? But I guess I could be wrong hey.
2 possible marriages
John Collier ~ Jane Tennant
Year 1853 Qtr Dec Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 221
John Collier ~ Jane Austwick
Year 1857 Qtr Jun Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 148
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
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or one wife died & John remarried....
Will need to obtain some copies of birth & marriages,
otherwise you can never be sure.
You don't want to 'adopt' a family :-\
Could start with this one.
Marriage
John Alfred Collier ~ Susan Gwilliam
Year 1904 Qtr Dec Dist: Salford Vol 8d pg 113
The marriage will confirm fathers name & occupation & hopefully one of his siblings was a witness.
You can get the copies of certs from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
The cost of a cert is £7 sterling. I think thats about 17 Aus$
Postage is inclusive.
Heading off to bed.
Happy hunting.
Sue
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I already have a copy of the marriage cert of John Collier & Susan Gwilliam. I also have a copy of his fathers marriage cert Alfred Collier. It states:
Married in Manchester 1878 in the parish of St Jude, Manchester. He married Elizabeth Ambrose on the 3/6/88.
His father was John Collier - Auctioneer
Her father was John Ambrose - Confectioner
Thanks for your help. I better head to work.
Greg
or one wife died & John remarried....
Will need to obtain some copies of birth & marriages,
otherwise you can never be sure.
You don't want to 'adopt' a family :-\
Could start with this one.
Marriage
John Alfred Collier ~ Susan Gwilliam
Year 1904 Qtr Dec Dist: Salford Vol 8d pg 113
The marriage will confirm fathers name & occupation & hopefully one of his siblings was a witness.
You can get the copies of certs from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
The cost of a cert is £7 sterling. I think thats about 17 Aus$
Postage is inclusive.
Heading off to bed.
Happy hunting.
Sue
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No luck in finding the family in 1851.
Will try & look for more info later.
Sue
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2 possible marriages
John Collier ~ Jane Tennant
Year 1853 Qtr Dec Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 221
John Collier ~ Jane Austwick
Year 1857 Qtr Jun Dist: Manchester Vol 8d pg 148
There is this marriage on IGI which looks more likely given the birth of Margaret in 1850:
John COLLIER m Jane JACKSON 18th March 1849 at Manchester Cathedral
Jean
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so it looks like there may be 3 possibilities....