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HI
Looking for some HELP PLEASE
With the help of rootschatters I have found my Grandad. :)
I know need some more help looking for his wife ADA.
Walter James Fowler, b 1886 Brighton.
In 1918 married ADA NYE (Widow).
Ada was b 1880/1, d 1956 in Brighton.
Her father's name ( I think it says n + o on the certificate)
JOHN TUCKNOTT. Farmer.
Ada had 4 children when she married Walter,
Ada 1910. Harry 1911. Cecil 1913, Jack 1915.
Can not find them also.
They all went to Canada in 1919, leaving Liverpool going to Halifax, in 1920 they had
John.
Tried to find Ada and John on the census, getting very confused :-\, can not seem to find them,and the name Tucknott/Tucknutt/Tugnut/Tugnott etc, driving me up the wall :'(
This is on familysearch, Living at Newark Place, Brighton.
John Tugnott 1855 Brighton, Shoeing Smith,
Jane Tugnott 1854
Ada Tugnutt 1880
John Tugnutt 1881
Thanks
Linda
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Found this record...
Birth Registration
Cecil NYE
June quarter 1915, Brighton vol 2b page 350?
Mother's maiden name: TUGNUTT
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Linda,
If it's any help, FreeBMD has this marriage:
Marriages Dec 1910
Nye, John F Brighton 2b 510
Tugnett, Ada C Brighton 2b 510
So there's another spelling variant to add to your list.
Stovepipe
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Could be her....
1901 Ditchling, Sussex
RG 13/913 folio 23 page 7
Address: Folder's Lane
Working as a laundry-maid for the Costick family..
Ada Tucknott, serv, 21, laundry-maid, Preston Sussex
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This could be Ada's family in 1891:
RG12/805/31/22 - 31 Stanley St, Brighton
John Tugnutt, Head, M, 35, Smith (Employed)
Jane, Wife, 31, Laundress (Employed)
Ada, Daur, 11, Scholar
John, Son, 10, Scholar
George, Son, 8, Scholar
Jane, Daur, 6, Scholar
Harry, Son, 4
Emily, Daur, 2
Charlie, Son, 9 mo
All born Brighton
Ancestry has indexed the surname as "Lugmutt". The "n" could be read as "m" - in fact it's probably a better reading than my "n" - but the "T" is very clear and should never have been read as "L". (At least not by anyone who took care to compare the two letters on the page.)
Stovepipe
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Birth Registration?
Ada Clara TUGNUTT
June quarter 1879
Steyning, vol 2b p 309
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Seems like the marriage registration indexer struggled a bit over John's marriage to Jane. This is from FreeBMD again:
Marriages Mar 1879
Diploce Jane Brighton 2b 291
DIPLOCK JANE Brighton 2b 291
TUGGNUTT John Brighton 2b 291
Tugnutt John Brighton 2b 291
Stovepipe
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1881 census:
RG11/1082/103/47 - 17 Newark Place, Brighton
John Tugnott, Head, 26, Shoeing Smith
Jane, Wife, 27, Laundress
Ada, Daur, 1
John, Son, 3 mo
All born Brighton
(Gives you a reference, an occupation for Jane, a house number and a more precise birthdate for son John.)
Next door at number 18 is George Diplock (age 54, Shoemaker b. Ringmer) and his wife and family. Could he be Jane's father?
Stovepipe
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Given that John was down as a shoing smith on the 1881 census, do you think that he the word "Farmer" that you have on the other document should have been "Farrier"?
Roy G
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Hi Folks
It might be worth looking at the earlier post as there are a few useful snippets on it relating to Tugnett etc. and a lovely amount of info about the Fowlers. "Electoral rolls" on the Sussex Board. Cannot post the link.
Andrea
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Sussex Roll of Honour has
TUGNUTT John
Private L. 5866, 2nd Battalion, Royal Sussex Regiment. 1st Division.
Regular Soldier.
Died of wounds in captivity 15 November 1914. Aged 33
Son of John and Jane Tugnutt of Brighton.
Husband of Mrs Florence Tugnutt of 12, Sandown Road, Elm Grove, Brighton.
Born and enlisted in Brighton.
South African Medal, Mons Star and clasp.
Included on Brighton War Memorial.
Buried in Lille Southern Cemetery F. 1027
Looks as though your luck in finding liks still holds Linda
Roy G
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This looks like the entry in the deaths register for Ada's father:
Deaths Dec 1897
Tugnutt John 42 Brighton 2b 137
Age is more or less right. Could explain why he can't be found in the 1901 census.
Stovepipe
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Oh dear :'(
1901 Warren Farm Schools, Rottingdean, Sussex
RG 13/919 folio 110 page 8
Inmates included...
Emily Tucknott, 12
Charles Tucknott, 9
Albert Tucknott, 7
Frederick Tucknott, 5
All born Brighton
We know about Emily and Charles. Were Albert and Frederick their younger brothers?
And what happened to Mum?
Some info about the Warren Farm Schools here:
http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__5705.aspx
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Re Ada's mother
A Jane Tucknott aged 42 with no given occupation appears on the 1901 census.
Were her children in the Warren Farm industrial school and she in the Brighton Workhouse in Elm Grove? Who can look up that Jane on the 1901 census for you to see if she was in the workhouse?
Re Ada's brother
I do not know whether the John R Tucknott who the records have as marrying a Harriet, was the same John who the Rolls of Honour have as married to a Florence and killed in 1914, but if so, he can be found as an engine turner in the Preston district of Brighton in 1901. If it was him, by the look of it, John joined the army, served in South Africa, returned to work in the Brighton Railway Loco sheds and joined up again as soon as WW1 was declared.
Roy G
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Hi Roy - the Jane Tucknott in Elm Grove isn't the right one unfortunately. She is listed as the unmarried daughter of Alfred and Jane Tucknott. [RG13/924 f26 p44]
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Hi
Would have got back to you all earlier, but the computer keeps playing up. :'(
My thanks to everyone for all thier help. :)
I have now got lots more information to digest.
Thank you
Linda
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Oh dear
1901 Warren Farm Schools, Rottingdean, Sussex
RG 13/919 folio 110 page 8
Inmates included...
Emily Tucknott, 12
Charles Tucknott, 9
Albert Tucknott, 7
Frederick Tucknott, 5
All born Brighton
We know about Emily and Charles. Were Albert and Frederick their younger brothers?
These four are siblings. There was anotherborn later, Rosie, born 1896.
Ada Clara was the eldest siblin and my great grandmother. She had a son born out of wedlock, Frederick, in April 1902. We nelieve that Frederick was born in a workhouse so this is likely the place. He was known as Frederick Tucknott-Nye. Does anybody have any information?
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Some superfluous but slightly related information.
Warren Farm Industrial School.
This has the deepest "Hand Dug" well in the world.
It was dug in 1864 using workhouse labour and its depth is almost identical to the height of the Empire State State Building.
Re Brighton Workhouuse (Elm Grove/Race Hill Building)
There is an early black & white silent movie circa 1902 showing this workhouse.
It is a short film based on the war in South Africa and the hero returns to find that in his absence, his widowed mother has been placed in there. Naturally he rescues her. Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called, but it was amongst a number of clips from the film archives of Sussex University that were shown to the Brighton & Hove branch of the SusseX Family History Group about 4 years ago.
If you are interested in it, I will see if I can find out which department of the Media Studies group at the university brought it along.
Roy G
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Hi Roy G
Would love to see this film if you manage to find it :)
John Tugnutt ( my grandma's brother ) was in south Africa.
His father died in 1897, in 1901 at least 4 of john's siblings where at warren farm, but do not know what happen to Jane, his widowed mother.
(Maybe she was rescued) :-\
Sound's like a film script ;D
I have at least 3 children (john's siblings) sent to Canada-Fredrick, Albert and Alfred.
Any help on where I can look for these would be great.
I know they joined the Canadian over-seas expeditionary force, in 1915/16
Thanks
Linda
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Hi Linda
Looks like you have a lot of info to go through now. And a new family member as well in PaulVT, with whom you can now share your research!
Just one more bit of info for you which may or may not be related.
There's a female named Tucknott listed in 1901 without a first name, born in Brighton in about 1860 who was a widow and a laundress, living at 48 High Street, Brighton (RG13/921 Folio 110 Page 22) who corresponds well with the 1891 census (and also with the 1881 census apart from her age. Although it shows her as born in about 1854, this could have just been a small error in transcription from the enumerators notes to the census return).
The Warren Farm Industrial School brings back a lot of memories for me, since part of the same block of buildings was my infant school back in the early 70s. There's some info on it here (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Brighton/Brighton.shtml)
Good luck with the searching
Glen
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Linda, your luck is still holding...
I've found another long-lost relative for you who may be able to supply you with more info. She has posted on the Ancestry Tugnutt board and is another direct decendent of Ada, your grandmother.
(Coincidentally, back in the dim and distant past I thought my GG-grandfather was also from a Tugnutt line, but it turned out not to be the case, but I had a few messages on the same board)
The board messages you may be interested in start here (http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.tugnutt/1/mb.ashx) and include such useful info as the date of birth of Ada Clara (18 May 1879), and the marriage details of Ada's parents (John Tugnutt and Jane Ann Diplock who married 16 Feb 1869 at St Peters Church). Lots more info, and the Tugnutt decendants sound like really nice people. (Say "Hi" from me if you get in touch with them ;D)
Hope this helps
Glen
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That would be my cousin Dawn who has been brought up to date over the last couple of days. We only met through the ancestry website!
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That would be my cousin Dawn who has been brought up to date over the last couple of days. We only met through the ancestry website!
Wow! Small world, isn't it?
This just goes to prove that genealogy is not just about finding people in the past, but those in the present and future as well
Glen
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Will make enquiries about the film from a contact in the UK
As for the missing rellies in the Expeditionary Force, the following may not include them, but for your info they were on the Commonweath Graves website.
Roy G
1 TUCKNOTT, ALBERT EDWARD Driver 9773 died 23/10/1915
age Unknown of Royal Field Artillery, United Kingdom
MIKRA MEMORIAL
2 TUCKNOTT, ARTHUR STEPHEN Private 320450 died 06/11/1917
age 17 of Royal Sussex Regiment, United Kingdom
M. 22. BEERSHEBA WAR CEMETERY (probably too young)
3 TUCKNOTT, F Corporal G/1675 died 17/08/1916
age Unknown of Royal Sussex Regiment, United Kingdom
XVI. B. 20. CATERPILLAR VALLEY CEMETERY, LONGUEVAL
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Hi
Glen
Thanks for the link, I have just had a look, it's great. :)
Found Paul last week through Ancestry, and now
Lots of new name's, and some new rellies. ;D
And this only possible with the help of rootschatters, searching the Electoral Rolls etc. :-*
Thanks
Linda
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For the relatives who enlisted in the CEF for WWI, you should head over to http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/cef/001042-100.01-e.php immediately and perform a search. It can take a bit of skill to pick the right one out of the results list, but with such an unusual surname it should be a lot easier than mine (Taylor, Thomas!). Once you locate it, the result includes links to full images of his enlistment papers, complete with place and date of birth, next of kin, and a physical description.
To start you off, a search with Surname: tu* and Given Names: Albert produces a list of 75 soldiers, of which one is Tugnutt, Albert, dob 31/08/1893, with a result page here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=281365
Happy hunting!
Mike
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A while back you asked me to find out more about the early film showing Brighton Workhouse.
I have now had a reply from my source at the University and they gave me the following information.
The film is The Soldier Returns, and it was shot in 1902. It was made by James Williamson and can be found in the National Film & Television Archive at the British Film Institute, London.
Hope you manage to track it down from that, and can get a veiwing sometime.
Roy G
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FWIW, there's quite a few Tucknet / Tugnet entries in the registers of some of the Worthing / Broadwater parishes, and very helpfully transcribed and online at this site:
http://www.barriesgenealogy.co.uk/html/broadwater_worthing.html
Stovepipe
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Hi Everyone
Well have I been busy. :o
My thanks to everyone for their help and advise, and pointing me in the right direction.
Just to let you all know I have been in contact with Paul Tucknott and Dawn Tucknott.
Also found more rellies on the Jackman and Fowler family, and have made lots more contacts. ;D
Mike I have tried the site and have traced 3 Tugnutt's---Albert 1894, Fredrick 1894 and Alfred 1899. :)
RoyG Thanks for all your hard work, will try and track it down. :)
Stovepipe Thankyou I spent hours on Saturday going through all the entries, like you said lots of Tucknet/Tugnutt/Tucknott's, also came across a lot of other names of interest.
My eyes were aching by the time I finished.
Do you know of any other sites like this? 8)
My warmest thanks to you all
Linda
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I realise this is a very old post, 15 yrs almost to the day!
Below is info. I fell upon while doing research on the surname M(a)cPhee (in my own tree) which may/may not be relevant but I'm posting for other/future researchers too as there's a Sussex connection.
Frances Alice Tucknott who later married Alexander M McPhee...
This is available to download free if signed in, (free to join) & is a government site.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10798110
Frances Alice was born 1883 in Cuckfield (Sussex)
Birth index...
TUCKNOTT, FRANCES ALICE - (this would normally include mms)*
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in CUCKFIELD UNION Volume 02B Page 185
*No maiden surname for the mother of Frances (-) which indicates illegitimacy.
Marriage index (FreeBMD) with a variant & possibly a typo...
Marriages Dec 1918
McPhee Alexander N Tuckrett Steyning 2b 707
Tucknott Frances A McPhee Steyning 2b 707
I decided to follow through with Alexander M McPhee to see where it took me as I'm nosey ;D
I wondered if Alexander was born in Scotland & if so where, hoping he was from the area I'm researching as the forename is quite common & in my list of names associated in my research although I haven't found what his middle name is but with possibly 40% or more of the surnames I'm looking at/researching, they all begin with M(a)c i.e. a middle name being M(a)c wouldn't surprise me although surnames as middle names weren't too common unless usually denoting illegitimacy i.e. a surname as a middle name was usually a pointer to the surname of the 'reputed' father.
I was hoping his middle name was something simple but there's not that many forenames in the area I'm looking at beginning with 'M'.
However, long story short...
I didn't find Alexander but I found a chap of the same name (of interest to myself)...
Alexander M MacPhee b 1884 in Manitoba, Canada...
I decided to have a 'nosey'...low & behold...I have a DNA link (5th - 8th cousin) with the tree owner!!! :o 8)
The moral of the story is...
It pays to help others as you may be rewarded for your efforts!!!
I'd therefore like to thank you mothermicheal for posting your query all those years ago!!! ;)
Annie
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Didn't realise when I read this topic how old it was and was merrily searching away!!
Anyway, just in case others come across this at a later date, to clarify the children of John and Ada:
In 1911 family transcribed as 'Wye' and children are:
Frederick b.1902 - don't know if a child of John but born illegitimately in Jun.1902 as Tucknott
Ada Emily b.1910 (born pre marriage later that year and
John Francis b.1910 registered as Tugnutt - were twins but John Francis died 1911)
William Henry Charles b. Jun.1911 Cuckfield
Charles Jack b.Jun.1913 Cuckfield
Cecil b.Jun.1915 Cuckfield (another set of twins -
Albert b.Jun.1915 Cuckfield Albert died 1915)
Just to confuse things there was another Nye/Tugnutt union - a George Nye married a Jane Tugnutt in Sept.qtr.1911 Cuckfield. Four other Nye mmn Tugnutt births 1912-1915 were children of George and Jane per baptisms. Haven't checked but one, or both, could be related to John and Ada.
Annette