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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 September 07 16:37 BST (UK)
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Call me odd ... or bloodthirsty ... but I love these sites !! :) :) AND I did find the Julia Wallace murder I was looking for !!
http://www.geocities.com/stevenhortonuk/liverpoolmurders.html
http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/contents.html
Enjoy !
Annie :)
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Julia Wallace?wasn't she married to a rent collector who was called away to a none existing address,and while he was away she was murdered...who done it??
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Not rent collector ! but the man from the Pru !! :)
They never did find out for sure .... though there are tons of maybe's !!
It was a very interesting exercise that's for sure !! .... there's even a short thread on here about it ... can't put my finger on it right now though !!
Annie :)
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http://www.geocities.com/tom_slemen/wallace.html
This site gives an indepth explanation of this case. Menlove Gardens is in the Woolton area and is still there, i actually know someone who lives there.
http://www.geocities.com/stevenhortonuk/liverpoolmurders.html
I remember a lot of these, in particular the Cameo Cinema Murder
The Knowsley Hall Shootings, where a man tried to shoot Lady Derby. I was at the office when they announced what had happened.
The Old Curiousity Shop Murder
The Bulger Killing, in which all the truth of the matter was never disclosed.
The Michael Moss Killing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4044608-103690,00.htmland
the Jade Mathews Killing, this one was kept low profile after the effect the Bulger killing had on people in the area.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1996/07/11/njade11.html
on which I worked on all three. All committed by juveniles who came from in or around the same area as each other, Bootle, Walton and Litherland
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Fascinating stuff ! ........... I love all that !! ;D
Some would say "warped " ............... :P
Annie :)
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I can't remember if he's buried at West Derby cemetery or Anfield !! but I still don't think he "dunit " .... do you DM ??
http://www.trivia-library.com/b/life-after-trial-murder-and-william-herbert-wallace-part-1.htm
Annie :) :)
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Annie,
you must know the Florence Maybrick case then,it happening in your neck of the woods...
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oooh yes ! .... that's interesting too ! ;D ;D
They thought HE ( the husband ) was Jack the Ripper ............... !!
http://www.casebook.org/suspects/james_maybrick/maybrick.html
Annie :)
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That was proven to have been from forged / bogus documents that Maybrick was accused.
There was a doubt as well as to whether or not she was guilty. But too late once she was dead.
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Well it was sensational when it came out ........... ! and who knows for sure DM !! ::) ::)
" Only the shadow knows " !!!!!!!! ;) ;)
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Call me odd ... or bloodthirsty ... but I love these sites !! :) :) AND I did find the Julia Wallace murder I was looking for !!
http://www.geocities.com/stevenhortonuk/liverpoolmurders.html
http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/contents.html
Enjoy !
Annie :)
I don't think you're odd or bloodthirsty Annie - or if you are, then I am too because I too find these old murders endlessly fascinating. The Wallace Case is arguably the greatest unsolved murder of all. Another is the Victorian murder of Charles Bravo at The Prory, Balham in south London. Any one of half a dozen people could have dunnit!
The Jack the Ripper casebook website is terrific because not only is it the the creme de la creme of Ripper sites (and having gone to school in the East End I am very interested in JTR too) it also has details and information on any number of other true murders - the older ones of course.
One of my favourite family stories is the one my grandmother told me about how she and the rest of the family were in a pub in the Borough in South London (I think it was the Crown Tavern, Union Street, but don't quote me) celebrating the marriage of my grandmother's sister when the police came and arrested the landlord for murder. His name was George Chapman aka Severin Klosowski and he made a bit of a habit of 'marrying' his gullible barmaids and then poisoning them for their money. He was hanged of course but the interesting thing is that, for a very short time, was a candidate for Jack the Ripper!
Pat.
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oooh errr Pat ! .... I was a barmaid in the Borough ( the Ship !! ) many moons ago ....
not at that time I hasten to add ........... !! ::) ::) but you were so close ( genealogically speaking !! )
I get stuck into all these wonderful sites and can't get anything done !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Annie :)
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oooh errr Pat ! .... I was a barmaid in the Borough ( the Ship !! ) many moons ago ....
not at that time I hasten to add ........... !! ::) ::) but you were so close ( genealogically speaking !! )
I get stuck into all these wonderful sites and can't get anything done !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Annie :)
I know what you mean, dreadful innit? My Nan's family, the Bromfields were, from what I've been able to discover, brushmakers in the Borough for generations and I've spent endless hours researching brushmaking when I should really have been doing something constructive - like the ironing! ::)
The really weird thing about my Nan's story about George Chapman was that when she was telling me she couldn't remember the bloke's name but she remembered that one of the barmaids was called Maud Marsh. I was only 18 when she told me this story and knew nuffin' about nuffin' so I asked an old chap I worked with who had an interest in true life murders (it was he who whetted my appetite for the subject) and he gave me pages of info about the case. Lord knows where he got it because there was no Internet in those days. :o If memory serves the arrest took place in 1902. I remember being amazed because my Nan told me what all the ladies were wearing at her sister's wedding - and this was over 60 years later. ;)
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Wouldn't you know it ? .... I HAD to look up Maud !! ::)
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Find anything? :P
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YES !!!!! .... can't talk now I'm readin' !!! ;D
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I'm a fan too. And have ancestors (grandmother's cousin and his wife) who were the last victims of the California murderess Louise Peete, who was executed in 1947.
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Hi Erato !
She lived in Denver ...... !!
must have been some kind of woman ...... doesn't look it though does she ?? ::)
Let me know if you know whereabouts in Denver she lived !!
Annie :)
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She is listed on the 1920 census in Denver with her husband, Richard Peete and daughter Elizabeth. They were at 1576 Sherman Street.
The 1920 census was done in January and she must have moved on to California shortly thereafter because her first California victim (Jacob Denton) was murdered in June 1920. I think her husband stayed in Colorado. Unfortunately, my victim ancestors arrived back in the US from China in February 1920, so they missed the census (again).
In 1930, I have found Louise as an inmate in San Quentin.
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His name was George Chapman aka Severin Klosowski and he made a bit of a habit of 'marrying' his gullible barmaids and then poisoning them for their money.
Pat.
He must have been paying them well then ;D
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His name was George Chapman aka Severin Klosowski and he made a bit of a habit of 'marrying' his gullible barmaids and then poisoning them for their money.
Pat.
He must have been paying them well then ;D
Trust you !! ::) ;D ;D