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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Penninah on Monday 20 December 04 00:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi there all! :D
Could some very lovely kind kind person please look for a
'Patrick Thomas McCormack/McCormick' and wife 'Mary Ann' on the 61 and or 71 census, i know they had a son called 'John Francis' he was born in Chelsea!!! 1856
Thankyou thankyou thankyou ;D
Happy xmas!
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I have tried using various spellings and combinations but cannot find them sorry
Donna
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Thankyou for looking Donna!
Do you have access to the 51? maybe they are on that, i have them on the igi with son John but no sign of them after that! Marys maden name was baxter!
or do you have any other suggestions to how i can find them??
Thanks again
Penninah
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Hi Penninah,
I found this family who are a possiblity but no sign at all of John. ??? Jan
23 Hatfield St, West Derby
RG10/3845 Folio 96 Page 3
Mary Anne Mccormack 40 Middlesex, England Wife West Derby Lancashire Dressmaker
Patrick Mccormack 63 Ireland Head, Retiired Officer HM Customs
West Derby Lancashire
Richard Mccormack 31 Devon, England Son West Derby Lancashire Tea Dealer
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if you have an address from a marriage or birth certificate so those who do have census' can look up the address or what is his occupation you could ask for a look up in trade directories.
Best thing to do is post every detail you have when asking for the look up as it is easier for those doing the look up :)
For instance do you know where patrick was born or his age
Donna
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1851
HO2187/3 page 482a
address 24 Essex Street
Toxteth Park
P McCormack head widower 44 customs weigher Ireland
E McCormack son unm 23 ?Shaw Marker Sussex Brighton Dumb
M A McCormack daur unm 21 ?Drip Marker Middlesex Isleworth
Mary McCormack daur unm 19 Housekeeper Ireland
Richard McCormack son unm 11 scholar Devonshire ?p***firs
Donna
Donna
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There is a John H McCormack in 1871 age 17 in Juno Street west derby but parents are Henry and Jane all born Ireland
What info do you have from 1881 census if you give us the entry we can cross reference the details
Donna
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hello again,
Thankyou for your help!
here is what i have;
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John Francis MC CORMACK Head M Male 24 Chelsea Carpenter & Joiner
Mary Ann MC CORMACK Wife M Female 26 St John Wood Laundry Work
Annie Blanche MC CORMACK Daughter U Female 1 Hammersmith
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6 Wilson Row
London, Middlesex, England
Piece RG11/54 Folio 46
and then a birth of a john frencis mccormack;
PATRICK THOMAS MC CORMICK & MARY ANN BAXTER
Children;
JOHN FRANCIS MC CORMICK
20 NOV 1856 Brompton, London, England
and this is all i know of John! i hope it helps
Regards
Penninah :D
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have looked at the actual entry for 1881 that you cited and am finding it hard to read it as McCormack. It could be because you told me but it is not what I would have read it as. The enumerator seems to write other letter C's on the line not above and below it like the first letter of John Francis' surname. See what you think.
How did you get back to this one do you have info from 1901 and 1891 that led you to this.
Donna
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Helloooooooooooooooooooooo,
Yes i have him on the 1891 census at 22 kinley road Ealing
Age 33, Joiner with Mary Ann and Annie, Mary, Ethel, John and Charles
Have not got him on the 1901 tho!!
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I do love a good search but I admit defeat I cannot find him in 1891 even with your info or in 1901 none of the details add up.
I am not sure if the family in Liverpool are not a completely different group. If your John Francis was born in Chelsea and appears to have stayed living in London from 1881 onwards why would the rest of the family have lived in Liverpool between 1851 and 1871 and why is he not with the family in Liverpool in 1871 when he would have been only 14.
I can see that the family got around a bit looking at chidrens birthplaces from 1851 (presumably dut to dads job) so it is conceivable that they were in Chelsea when John was born but why would he not stay in Liverpool with them. :-\
I cannot find Richard (born c1840) anywhere beyond the 71 census, nor Patrick although he could have died. I also wondered if MA daughter age 21 in 1851 census was mistranscribed as Mary Ann wife age 40 Middlesex in 1871 or is it a coincidence that they have same initials and place of birth ::). I cannot find son E age 33 anywhere either
On the other hand I cannot find John Francis anywhere before or after 1881 (although you have them in 1891)
Also there is a John Francis McCormack marrying Elizabeth Owens in 1880 Sep qtr at St Michaels Church West Derby Liverpool. So there must be another John F around as the name and place of marriage are at odds with the 81 info.
What a conundrum.....
I think a request for a look on 1861 in lancashire may sort out if John is the son who belongs there (I have the census but no index). Also a look up at Liverpool records for the marriage of John and Elizabeth just to rule them out (Florida Girl often does look ups there although I may be going back in a few weeks time).
I hate it when I can't find people >:(
Donna
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Hello again
I dont think the liverpool lot have anything to do with my McCormacks!!!
ALL i have on him his that he was born john francis mccormack on the 1837online i have born in kensington november 1856! And then on the igi with parents Patrick Thomas and Mary Ann Baxter!
Regards
penninah :)
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HI!
Have found a little more on him!!!
John Francis McCormacks father was called Thomas Partrick mccormack
he was born in ireland in 1817, not sure where. (his father was called Patrick b ireland 1795!!! )
He had 3 other sons that i have found; 1 thomas patrick jr b1849 westminster
2 Pierce b 1851 Brompton
Charles James b chelsea 1862
Not sure if this helps?????
Thankyou all
xx
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Hi,
Have searched again for you in 1871 using each first name plus Mcc* and Mac* but have found no matches for any of the family. Sorry. :( Jan
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I am researching my ancestors, called McCormick.
Various mis-spellings of their names I have come across while looking at the census:
McCormack
McCornick
McAuley
M Cormac