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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: tadpolenz on Sunday 16 September 07 06:56 BST (UK)
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Hi Can anyone HELP PLEASE
I'm looking for Info on Richard Bolton Smyth F/Tree he married Sarah nee Westropp born 1815
They had 1 son that I no of my Gt Grandad William Westropp Smyth born april 1843 in Askeaton
Richard Smyth was a solictor in Dublin
Any Info would be good Thanks
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Hi tadpolenz and welcome to RootsChat :) !
There's a Richard Smyth listed in 1850 Dublin ...... but he's a Justice of the Peace .... not quite sure if that's the same .... you might like to take a look !! :) and there's a couple of other Smyths who were Barristers !
http://www.dublin1850.com/dublin1850/xdubdir79.html
Annie :)
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I did also find this ..... not sure if you have this Edmund ...... also did your family also have ties in Limerick ?? .... lots of Westropps and Smyths there ! :)
1862
Ensign Edmund Westropp Smyth to be Lieutenant without purchase
( This takes forever to load up though .... but you may find something else also .... I only found this !! )
Annie :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/023s/
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:D Hi thanks for that I have been away then my mum heart is playing up but I have made it back to you
I have a couple of Richard in Dublin I also have a church record for a Richard Bolton Smyth 1779 at Askeaton But not sure As my GT Grandad was born 1843 Richard would have been 64 then
Richards Wife was Sarah Westropp Born 1815 The Grove Limerick
My GT Grandad William Westropp Smyth did have a brother and a sister Edmund And Alice Alice married and went to sydney Australia
The story goes that William may have got into a bit of trouble and his dad Richard sent him to new zealand
If I could find the wedding for Richard & Sarah I thinks that may help ??? :D
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Hi, I think your Smyth is definitely one of the Palatine families who came to Askeaton/Rathkeale in Limerick from Germany in 1709. My maternal Grandmother is also descended from this family and came from a farm called Drumlohan near Askeaton, Co. Limerick. We were in the Palatine museum at the weekend and there are lots of books and info about these families. Their website is www.irishpalatines.org. We were also looking at gravestones in Askeaton graveyard and the only two that might tie in with you was
"Erected by Jean Smyth was Supple CHARLES SMYTH departed March 6 1804 aged 72"
and
"James Smyth, Drumlohan died 1870 aged 56"
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Hi Irvina Thanks for the info ;D It's great to think this may be it. I will get back to you I'm off to have a look
Cheers and thanks
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Hi Irvina I have had a look at the site and all I can find is the name Smyth. I can't find info on them. I do not wont to pay 52 NZ dollars to be come a Member if it is not my family.
When I got your message it was so go to think we may come from the same family. You are the first one in all my family trees overs seas that me be from the same line :) :D :).
Are you able to tell me more about the Smyth's that you found
Cheers and thanks
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Hi Tadpolenz. I've had a look through our own family stuff and also the one book we did buy down at the Palatine centre which was called People make Places, story of the Irish Palatines" by Patrick O'Connor. There are general references to Smyths in it as in settling near Askeaton and having cider orchards etc. He also mentions a Charles Smyth of Pallas (Pallashenry) beside Askeaton in 1776. But no reference to any of the names you are looking for.
In our own family stuff, my Great Grandfather was James Smyth born 1814 and he had a brother John (died young and left 6 children - none of the names match yours)and a brother William - not sure what happened to him. Their father was Robert Smyth. I suppose there is a possibility that your Richard could have been a cousin of our James as the dates are about the same time but I'm afraid that's all I have for you.
If we unearth any more I'll let you know.
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I have a few bits of information on Smyth/Smith in County Limerick. They may or may not be of interest to you but in case they are I have attached them below. I also have about 40 baptism records.
Vivien
Militia
Occasionally the men’s wives and children went with them when the militia was transferred but more often they remained behind. Church vestries were directed to meet within eight days of the departure of the militia to examine any cases of hardship caused to remaining families by the departure of their menfolk. The families might then be granted a weekly allowance of 2/- for a wife and 1/- for each legitimate child under ten years old to a maximum of 4/-. This allowance was only payable to families of volunteers and not to those of substitutes. On 16 June 1793 the Rathkeale vestry allocated money from the parish funds to two families of Palatine militiamen while the bread-winner was away. One of these was Margaret, wife of George Shouldice the drummer with the County Limerick Militia, who had two daughters, aged five years and three months old, and who was given £3.4.0 allowance, while the other was Anne (née Crips), wife of Corporal James Smith, who, for herself and her three sons, received £4.0.0.
Captain Rock
George Smith, a Palatine, of Whiskey Hall, a townland west of Shanagolden, County Limerick assisted in the apprehension of men who had attacked Mr Nunan the previous September [1823], eleven of whom had been transported. In punishment for this his house was burned in January 1824. Since Smith, his father and two brothers were the only Palatines living in an area occupied by Catholics, the police feared that they would be murdered. For their protection they were given arms and a guard of three policemen. Vokes reported that the Smiths were ‘very willing to assist the police in patrolling and preserving the peace of the neighbourhood’. They did not, however, escape the vengeance of the Rockites. On 20 January Smith received a threatening notice that he should leave the county within ten days or be murdered. Knowing that the banditti would make every effort to carry out their threat, he rode in desperation to Rathkeale to seek help. While he was gone his house and all his property was burnt to the ground -‘even to the children’s dresses, all their provisions and a cow and a dog’. It was only with the greatest difficulty that his wife, five children and two visitors, managed to escape being burnt to death. The plea for compensation, sent to the Under-Secretary, William Gregory, by Lieutenant Thomas Edward Wright, of the 39th Regiment in Shanagolden, stated that, ‘the whole of these sufferers are respectable protestants in a decent station of life as farmers’.
In October William Smith, chief constable in Rathkeale, who was also a Palatine worried about all night dancing-parties, such as the traditional November-eve party, and wondered how he could stop them as he believed that these gatherings were a front for other purposes. William Smith to Richard Willcocks, 25 October 1825. Since the potatoes were generally good that year, all remained peaceful through the winter and spring despite Smith’s worries.
Among the Palatine signatories to the Declaration against Repeal, 1830 were
Robert Smith, Shanagolden, and William Smyth, Ballylin.
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Hi VivienHick,
I would be interested to see the baptism records of the Limerick Smyths, if at all possible. I am not sure whether the Smyths of Pallas are related to the settlers who arrived from what is modern day Germany in 1709. I would be interested to hear thoughts on any theories.
Best.
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Hi Irvina,
Do have a source that Robert was the father of James (1814-1870) I would also be interested on the information you have on James' brother. Many thanks. TSmyth