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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: dubabroad on Thursday 13 September 07 21:01 BST (UK)
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Hello people,
I was born in the Coombe Hospital (orignal one) on the Coombe and lived in Coombe Street in the 1950's
I attended Meath Street school until 1961
anybody lived around there at that time
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hi dubabroad,
welcome to rootschat,hope you still look in now and
again as this was your only post .quite a number of my family
came from around the coombe francis st ,dolphins barn st .
so I am very familiar with the area.
I'm not sure if you need any information regards family research
but looking forward to seeing further posts from you.
regards.anne
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http://www.dublin.ie/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30
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ah Marie m,don't live too far from me then.
if dubabroad comes back to rootschat you could help
them better than me judging by your posts here and on the dublin forum.
regards,anne
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Hi Dubabroad,
My aunt was from there too, she lived in either 34 or 38 coombe street.
any chance might have known the family, either Behan or O'brien?
M
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hi michelle,do you have first names for the O'Briens
you are researching?I would be interested to know
as after about 8 or 10 years looking for mine from that
area I have come across a fair few wrong ones and kept
note of some of them.
anne
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Hi Dubabroad,
My aunt was from there too, she lived in either 34 or 38 coombe street.
any chance might have known the family, either Behan or O'brien?
M
[/quoteHiya... I live at number 25 cant remember if the numbers wer odd and even up and down the street. There was tenements across the street from me. Takes awhile to jog me memory.. there was some barrets down the bottom end of the street near the coomb. in a little kinda cul de sac..
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welcome back dubabroad,would this map
help to jog the memory?
anne
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ub/
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Hi
Seems my people lived there a bit earlier than you, dubabroad. My grandfathers first wife Mary O'brien lived in 39 Coombe Street in the late 1920's. They then moved to Prices Row, which i think is quite close to there.
They lived there until about 1940 when Mary died. His name was Joseph Behan, and he worked in C&C.
Also there in 1937 was John Drumm and Mary Drum. Do any of these names ring a bell?
Also do you remember a butchers called Hodgens on Georges Street.
Thanks for any help
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Hello people,
I was born in the Coombe Hospital (orignal one) on the Coombe and lived in Coombe Street in the 1950's
I attended Meath Street school until 1961
anybody lived around there at that time
I LIVED IN NEWMARKET AND LIVED THERE FUO 40 YEARS NEWMARKET ISACROSS THE RD FROM COOMBE ST EVERY DAY I WALKED TEOUGH COOMBE ST IT WAS FULL OF TENMENT HOUSES I WILL GIVE ANY HELP I CAN
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Nice to read about places I remember - (vague recollections) I left Dolphin's Barn when I was 5.
Parents had a cake shop at number 41. What is it now - if it is still there? We lived above the shop and my sister took me to the Rialto cinema on Saturdays. The good old days.
Hazelnuts01
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Hi I’m researching my family Roche’s I understand that they lived at Coombe street could of been 1920 onwards if anyone can be of any help I will be most thankful
warmest Regards Frank
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HI ROCKY I KNEW THE ROCHE FAMILY THE WERE KNOWN AT THE RACES FOR DOING THE 3 CARD TRICK THEY WERE A NICE FAMILY I LIVED ACROSS THE RD FROM COOMBE ST FROM 1930 TO 1952 HOOCH
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the 1939 voters register is available on the Dublin city libraries website at : http://dublinheritage.ie/index.php
you might be able to locate the family on that..
Shane
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I have an old postcard that was on the remains of an ancestor Patrick James O'Brien (Royal Lancers while in India). The postcard is from "Mother" with the return address of 39 Coombe Street Dublin. The date is February 24, 1909. On the front of the card is United by our love for Erin.
I am trying to find her name! I believe Patrick James O'Brien's father's name is James O'Brien per a marriage certificate in England (Father is listed as deceased).
Any advise or information??
Thank you!
L. O'Brien
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Do you know what year Patrick James O'Brien was born in ?
Was it in Dublin ?
Tara
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Well, according to his death certificate age and his marriage certificate age, he should have been born
in 1884. According to Ireland's Memorial Records, he was born in Dublin. According to the death certificate the place of birth is England (mistake?). I think it is probably Ireland and not England per passed down family information.
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Hi,
I can't see anything obvious, as it's such a common surname, it will will be tricky too !
This marriage below is probably just totally coincidental
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/57e6a60098651
and so is this census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchants_Quay__part_of_/Coombe/77287/
But they may give you leads if you get more info.
Where was Patrick in 1901, did you find him on the Irish or British census ?
Was there no next of kin on his military records ? Sometimes military records give parish of birth too !
Did the marriage cert give an occupation for his father - this can sometimes give some leads !
Tara
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There is a UK 1911 census entry for a Pte Patrick O'Brien born Dublin 1884
He was in the 12th Royal Lancers stationed at Pochefstroom in the Transvaal, South Africa under Colonel Howard Clifton Brown
His Army records may be helpful to locate his family
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Thank you both for your help!
The 12th Royal Lancers reference sounds correct....that is on the address to him (postcard). I am not sure how to get the army record for him. I did look on ancestry.com with no luck.
Obviously, Im new to this and fumbling about with this whole journey.
That information was on a census report? Why do I not see so much information when looking at census entries?
Thanks!
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To see the full details of the 1911 English census you have to subscribe to one of the appropriate websites (e.g FindMyPast) - "lookups" of this census are not permitted on RootChat . The free search only shows partial details.
The details included on the English 1911 household returns are similar to those shown on the Irish 1911 forms - i.e. : address/location, name, age, relationship to head of household, place of birth and occupation, also for married women details of number of years married and number of living children
Many of the WW1 era Army records were destroyed in the Blitz.
Shane
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Thanks Shane147!
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Hi my gt grandparents lived in 28 Coombe st on the 1911 Dublin Census their names were Richard and Ellen Bowes and their 6 children. I do know that Richard was a house painter and died in 1942. Is there anyone on Rootchat ie that has any information on the family as i do know my gt aunts went to live in the uk after the 1920s never to return to Dublin . Im doing my family tree and have hit a brick wall on some members of the Bowes family
Thanks
Fran
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Hi, I am not sure what info you have or what you are looking for BUT it looks like your RIchard came from a long line of decorators !!
It looks like your Richard Bowes father was Timothy Bowes and his mother Ellen Keogh and they got married in Rathmines Church in 1861
TIMOTHY BOWES ELEONORA KEOGH
RATHFARNHAM RATHMINES
Father RICHARD BOWES THOMAS KEOGH
Mother MARIA MURRAY ANNE
This looks like the baptism of your Richard's father
TIM BOWES
1837
RATHFARNHAM CHURCH
Father RICHARD BOWES
Mother MARY MURPHY
Tim's parents Richard Bowes and Mary Murphy married in 1833 in Rathfarnham Church
This Tim(othy) had some siblings Mary Kate baptised 1843 Rathfarnham, John baptised 1840 Rathfarnham (I'm sure there are more but this was all I found)
This is this John !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Whitechurch/Ballyboden/1291416/
Anyway back to your Richard he had a brother called John Bowes who married a Mary Patrick in 1892 in Harrington Street Church.
Richard also had a sister called Mary Anne Bowes b 1871 in Cork Street
This looks like another brother of Richard
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Blackpitts_West_Side/1344232/
Please double check all of the above !
Tara
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Thanks Tara and John for that information on Richards parents i did find a Tim Bowes who was 71 on the 1911 census he was widowed
and his occupation decorator. Great i now have Richars s mothers name Ellen Keogh.
Any more info on Richards children in the 1920s would be so helpful as i have got in touch with i of his daughters daughter she said her mother never talked about her family and she did nt know anything about the Bowes .Richard sons names were Richard and Tim. Leo sadly died of the Spanish Flu i got that info from the Archives in Abbey St Dublin. The daughters names Teresa my grandmothe who stopped in dublin and married my grandfather Ellen, Mary and then Monica who went to live in London but no information why as i know they never came back. My mother used to say her uncles both decorators and worked for the Dublin Corporation one lived in Cork st and around 1942 her other uncle lived on the south circular road Dublin. Thanks again Fran
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have you searched the register of electors for them
1939 for Dublin City is online
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/advanced.php
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Thank you MYLUCK
I went into the 1939 electors Polls and found 2 Richard Bowes 1 was my grandfather as my late mother told me he did live in Cuffe St till he passed away in 1942. The only thing is I cannot seem to get any info who did live with the other Richard Bowes hoping he is the son i did know he was married to someone called Clara on the 1911 census. When i try to view Richard Bowes i keep getting told i have to have something on my computer to look at his information i dont understand this at all.
Fran
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If your problem viewing is with the register of electors it can sometimes be the software that you have or your firewalls - what you are not seeing is a picture of the actual page in the register
You can go to the advanced search option and without a name type in the address an dyou will get a list of all the people at that address; bearing in mind there may have been separate accommodation rather than it being a family.
There were people named McShane, O'Brien, Donnelly and French as well as Richard Bowes at Cuffe Street
There is no record of a Clara Bowes that I can see but there are 5 other Richard Bowes
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you need to download and install the DjVu viewer to be able to see the register images - see the help page on the Dublin Heritage website :
http://dublinheritage.ie/electoral/help.php#download
Shane
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Thank you all
ive managed to install djvue and see the Bowes male and female.
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Interesting topic my Great Great Grand Father William Deering lived in 15 Coombe, must be Coombe St in 1890.This address was on his sons attestation form when he joined the British Army in 1890.
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Gary,Coombe St.was just off the Coombe,so two different streets.
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Ok sorry my mistake !
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hi franflynn
my name is eddie bowes the gr grandson of the
john bowes 1911 census {st marks alley} his father
was timothy bowes who married ellen keogh 1861
i have certs i can send you including the marriage of
your gr gr grandparents richard to ellen {johnston}
bowes 1883
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the timothy bowes in golden lane married a clare condron
in 1910 dublin
Timothy Bowes marriage - 1910 (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Atimothy~%20%2Bsurname%3Abowes~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22dublin%20south%22~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1910-1910&collection_id=1408347)
this is the details
to obtain the cert in the g.r.o if your living in dublin if your in the uk i can
obtain it for you
hope to hear from you soon
eddie bowes
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http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f4e88e0096423
Hi franflynn this might be of great use to you
Check the church register page on the bottom
You will see Teresa Lawless has an alias of Egan
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Also it was the Egan family lived in the
Coombe not the Johnsons so I assume Teresa Lawless
was really Teresa Egan married a Lawless got widowed
and remarried John Johnson
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http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/43.php
There is an Esther Egan living @79 The Coombe in 1862
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Eddie i did find teresa nee egan and also she had some children wilthin that marriage. John johnson married Teresa in 1865 my gt grandmother was born 1866 then after the birth of John Patrick in 1867 she died i found out she was buried at Glasanevin Cemetery i dont know what happened to John patrick only i did find on the Irishgenelogy church records site he had been baptised. Eddie John Johnson was now a widower again 1867 he lived at 79 Coombe till 1869 listed on the direcory for that year as a spirit dealer and grocer cant seem to find what happened to him or John Patrick after that year . Ellen went on to marry Richard Bowes.
Fran
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Eddie on teresa johnson marriage cert her father name was timothy lawless so egan was her first marriage name so as you said the Egans lived at that address 79 Coombe Dublin
fran
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Does anyone have a photo of Coombe Street before it was demolished, please.
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Hi my mam lived at 15 The Coombe until 1952. Her mother moved in that house in 1920. My Grandmother death cert has her address as 15 Coombe Street.
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Hi Fran
I too am looking into my Bowes family history. Thank you everyone for all the information I have found out already about my family. I am the great granddaughter of Timothy and Clare (Condron) Bowes (m 17/4/1910) who lived in Golden Lane in 1911. They had a son, Richard who was my grandfather - a painter/decorator who worked for the Dublin Corporation. I believe he had brothers Patrick and Timothy and a sister Linda. Richard married Margaret (Mills) and they had a daughter Clare, who was my mother and then a further 9 children. My mother moved to England in the 1950's as did two of her brothers and a sister.
Does anyone know of a Titanic connection with the family? One of my aunts said that her father (Richard) took her to the cinema to see the film some time in the 1950's. He told her that one of his cousins had been on the Titanic. I have looked up the crew/passenger list but can't find a family name I recognize.
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My granddad Richard Bowes I believe had a cousin John, of Marks Alley who died in WW1 in August 1915. He was in the Leinster Regiment. He had married a Josephine Brady in 1914 and they had a son, John.
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Hi UkBowes I'm the granddaughter of Teresa Gibbons who was ur Gt granddad Timothy s sister. I never heard anything about my granmothers family regarding the Titanic but maybe family did happened to be on board that ship very sad if that's true . I have hit a brick wall with some of my family tree search wonder going back to the 1867 onwards did u ever hear anything about a John Johnson x Teresa Johnson nee Lawless as we are descendent from them it's just Teresa died after given birth to a baby boy in fact l got the death notice saying her age was 31 she left I think the baby John Patrick x the little girl Ellen who went on to married Richard Bowes who was the father of ur gt granda . Any news all helps me thanks Fran
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Hi Fran. I spoke to my aunt and she thinks that your family members Ellen, Mary and Monica who moved to London were musicians. Have you heard similar ? Perhaps they worked in an orchestra or for a theatre. My cousin is investigating the Rathfarnham link. I will let you know if he finds anything. We also are trying to compile our family tree. I think you said on a previous msg that Timothy and Ellen (Johnston) had 6 children. Do you know their names ? Anita
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Hi Anita on the Bowes tree I went as far back to Timothy Bowes x Elenora Keogh who married in Rathmines parents of our Richard Bowes x Ellen Johnson where I started some of my searches. They were the parents of 7 children.Tim Bowes , Richard then Teresa my grandmother Ellen, Leo who died in 1919 think Spanish Flu Mary x Monica. That was their family sadly Mother Ellen died 1915 age around 48 . My grandmother Teresa married Micheal Gibbons then Ellen married a jockey from the Curragh marriage didn work out she came to London First with sisters Mary x Monica as they were young Ellen settled in Margate Kent Monica did too x Mary lived in Ealing London changed her name to Francel x married Harold Doone . Ellen x Monica had partners who were related from Margate Kent and in the resturant business . In later years Monica x Francel ended up living in Somerset till around the 1980s My own mother use to leave Dublin in the early 1930s x spend time with her aunty Ellen mam called her Ella who never had any children was so good to my grandmother Teresa as she had 6 young ones. Mam x her brothers went over to Kent in the summer as the resturant had living accomadation . Never heard anything about Ellen Mary or Monica been on the stage but my mam told me her mam Teresa had a little dance troop Florrie Watson x her 12 empire mites the troop she said appeared on some of the theatres in Dublin dates around WW1. Did any of your family live in Cork street Dublin as my mam passed away 14 years ago but I can remember been over in Dublin x we went to Meath st. X mam met someone she said they were cousins from Cork st. . Would you know if your gt Grandad Tim or your Grandad Richard was in the army? Anita my mam told me a few stories which has helped I but I'm still searching Fran
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Hi Fran. I spoke to my aunt Pat last night. She lives in Dublin and has a great memory for anything to do with the family. She said that her grandparents (Timothy and Clare) lived off Cork Street before they moved to Lombard Street. She confirmed that none of our family served in WW1. However, a cousin of Richard, John did die in 1915 (see previous post). According to one of his descendants, John's widow lived in Golden Lane with Timothy and Clare and her baby, John. I looked up other Bowes men who served in the Great War and found a total of 5 who were killed. Another John died of his wounds at home on 4.10.14. Christopher Bowes died 30.7.17, Michael Bowes 25.9.15 and Patrick Bowes 26.3.18. So sad and another line of research that can be done ! Thank you for the information on my gt gt Timothy's siblings. Do you know if Richard had any children ? I am just wondering if the John who died in WW1 was a son of Richard. My aunt Pat wants to know if you know anything of twins in the family. Did you ever hear of a little boy - a twin who died in a tram accident in Dublin ?
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Just to confirm what his descendant said.
John Bowes will giving his wife's address as 20 Golden Lane
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/BowesJ_E93408.pdf
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Hi Sinann. Thank you for posting that document. You can only imagine how all the young men felt writing those Will's before going into action. I am in contact with John's direct descendant and will let her know that you have posted this document. Thank you again.
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Ahh seeing the will of a young man John Bowes very sad indeed at times we all forget the horrow of war terrible times for his poor young wife x child. Anita going back to the Bowes family tree u did ask me did Richard have any children l know from records he married an Eveline Oldham year 1913 Richard had been living with his parents at 28 Coombe St yes He had children i found when Richard passed away he was 61 x a widower his son Leo was present at death address 3 Fingall st Dublin year 1952 not sure how many children wud ur Aunty know . My mother spoke about The Richard who married Ellen said he was a nice grandfather lived in the Bishop st area of Dublin he died 1942 age 80 so his 3 daughters lived in the uk my grandmother only daughter left in Dublin passed away around the same time as her father terrible what families went through. Never heard of any twins or an accidentt Fran
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The births on Irish Genealogy only go to 1916 at the moment
Bridget Bowes mother Oldham 1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01361/1561243.pdf
You have to sign in but it's free, there are also Marriages and Deaths.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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That site has been helpful in my search just still looking what happen to John Johnson address The 79 Coombe when my sister was over in Dublin a few years ago she went to Pearse St City Public Libraries x Archives looking over records John Johnson left his business at that address 1869 my mother said as he was widowed again he left his daughter Ellen with his sister while Johnson went to the USA how true this was lim not sure Johnson sister brought the little girl up x she married Richard Bowes 1884 . Has ur Aunty ever heard any news regarding Ellen Johnson . Fran
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Hi Fran. I spoke to my Aunty and she is aware of the Johnson family but cant add anything to what you already know. She can confirm that a male relative did go to the USA. Have you looked at the passenger lists ? Sorry we cant be more helpful. My cousin is looking into the Rathfarnham link to the Bowes family. Anita
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Thanks Anita for asking ur Aunty about John Johnson going to the USA . Ive looked on The Castle Gardens site for passengers to America but no luck there which sites have u used as I think it wud b around 1870/1 when he left Dublin as on his daughter Ellen s marriage cert to Richard Bowes in 1884 I think he had died . I.ll keep searching x anything positive I might find ill post on here . The Bowes families seen to have started from Rathfarham area of Dublin also how their occupation even in those days of the 1860 s happen to be painters seems a lot of families followed in the same trade for years. Fran
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Hi Everyone, I'm hoping someone may see something.
I am looking for any links with the surname MILNE, Coombe Street, Francis Street - Does anyone remember / Know anything? Seen any other posts on other forums?
Any help greatly appreciated!
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A William Milne married Johanna Gleeson in 1904, births for their children only appear from 1914 to 1920 in Coombe St. Ten years is a big gap so earlier children were possibly born England or abroad with British Army.
William possibly died 1949 at St Audeons House ,Cook St.
sorry i just got a new computer i cant figure out how to use the copy and paste for links.
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They had 2 boys Twins - they died - how would I find out how?
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
They had 2 boys Twins - they died - how would I find out how?
Do you have a birth date/year for the twins?
....births for their children only appear from 1914 to 1920 in Coombe St.
William Milne born 18 August 1920 at 16 Coombe Street, Dublin. MMN Gleeson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01209/1502837.pdf
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David Milne 16 Coombe St died aged 1 Month 18 September 1933
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04858/4311753.pdf
Patrick Milne 16 Coombe St died aged 5 weeks 13 September 1933
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04854/4310113.pdf
Father's occupations are different.
Do you know the fathers occupation?
There are twin Milne deaths in 1921, Lower Dorsett St father a Silversmith
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05096/4400156.pdf
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They also had a daughter Ellen born ? about 1918 who died 1920 age 1yr 9months,informant mother Johanna,father listed as a motor mechanic.
this child is buried in Glasnevin
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They also had a daughter Ellen born ? about 1918 who died 1920 age 1yr 9months,informant mother Johanna,father listed as a motor mechanic.
Here's dathai's find of her death record at 16 Coombe Street-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05124/4410349.pdf
Like dathai, I can't find a record of her birth ???
Can anyone?
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My oul eyesight is not what it used be William and Johanna were married in 1914 not 1904 as i earlier stated.