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Title: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: andrew shanks on Monday 10 September 07 18:09 BST (UK)
Richard Winchester married Caroline White at Frensham on 11 Mar 1840 and I believe that they had at least 2 children - William b1842 at Frensham and James b1848.

I am trying to find out more about Richard and especially who his  parents were.

I would be grateful for any assistance with this.

 :)
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: wozzle on Monday 10 September 07 18:31 BST (UK)
1841 don't know if you have this already
richard winchester age 30. b. in county occ. broom man
caroline winchester age 20. b. out of county
phillipa winchester age 1. b. in county
living at wagners wells,frensham,farnham,surrey
also on the opposite page is amos winchester age 30,john winchester age 2, and in another house edward winchester age 20,
HO107/1072/book8/12/16.
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: wozzle on Monday 10 September 07 18:42 BST (UK)
1851 HO107/1595/360/1.
richard winchester. age 38. occ. agr. lab. head.
caroline winchester. age 34. wife.
philidelphius age 14. daughter.
william age 8. son.
anne age 8. daughter.
james age 4. son.
george age 1. son.
all born in frensham,surrey.
living at wagner wells,frensham,farnham,surrey.
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: wozzle on Monday 10 September 07 18:52 BST (UK)
i have them in 1861 with more children. do you want me to post the full entry
RG9/433/4/1.
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: Jane Masri on Monday 10 September 07 19:03 BST (UK)
1841 - Frensham  HO107/1072/8/12/16

Richard Winchester  30  Broom M (maker)
Caroline                    20
Philadelphia                1

All born Surrey except Caroline.  On the same page but different households are;

Amos Winchester  30  ag lab
John                        2

Edward Winchester  20  Broom M

All born Surrey.  Possibly brothers?  Ages rounded down (except children) to nearest 5.

1851 - Frensham  HO107/1595/360/1

Richard Winchester  38  ag lab  b. Frensham
Caroline                   34                      ditto
Philadelphia             10                      ditto
William                       8                      ditto
Anne                          8?                     ditto
James                        4                       ditto
George                      1                       ditto

There is a marriage on FreeBMD of a Richard Pankhurst Winchester Q1 1840 at Farnham which covers Frensham (4 96a) but no spouse as yet on the index, although I see you have the information from the IGI.  If you purchased a copy of the certificate it would give you his father's name.
I would suspect that his mother's maiden name was Pankhurst because of the extensive use of this name with him & possible other siblings.  I've checked the Surrey Marriage index for a Winchester/Pankhurst marriage with no luck even though Frensham has been covered so I would assume the Winchester family came from another parish.

jane
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: andrew shanks on Monday 10 September 07 19:34 BST (UK)
Jane - thank you very much for your advice on this.

Wozzle - thank you also and yes please - I would be interested to see the 1861 info.

 :)
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: wozzle on Monday 10 September 07 19:58 BST (UK)
o.k. will do but it will have to be tomorrow morning off to work now.
mick.
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: wozzle on Tuesday 11 September 07 07:04 BST (UK)
1861 RG9/433/4/1.
richard winchester age 50. occ. agr. lab. b. frensham. head.
caroline winchester age 39. b. fleedley,hampshire. wife.
william winchester age 20. occ. agr. lab. son.
george winchester age 13. son.
john winchester age 9. son.
ruth winchester age 7. daughter.
levi winchester age 5. son.
caroline winchester age 3. daughter.
richard winchester age 3. son.
charles winchester age 1. son.
all the children are born in frensham
living at wagners wells,frensham,surrey.
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: andrew shanks on Tuesday 11 September 07 17:31 BST (UK)
Mick

Thanks very much for the 1861 censu data - much appreciated.

 :)
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: anniew on Tuesday 27 November 07 21:54 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I've just logged on after a long time away and noticed you are wanting information on Richard Winchester.

Caroline White is one of my relatives and she married Richard Winchester unfortunately I've been unable to find his parents either.

Have you been able to find any more information on them.   Would be interested to know as I am in England at the moment.

Anniew
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: anniew on Tuesday 27 November 07 21:58 GMT (UK)
Hello again,

Sorry I should have mentioned that Richard and Caroline had 12 children, Phillipa, William, Anne, James, George, John, Ruth, Levi, Caroline, Richard, Charles and Matilda.

anniew ::)
Title: Re: Richard Winchester - Frensham
Post by: jorose on Friday 14 December 07 14:26 GMT (UK)
Does the 1840 marriage not list a father?

http://www.croucherconsult.co.uk/genealogy/Winchester/Edward1.htm
 - mentions a 'Edward Pankirst Winchester' whose parents were supposedly William and Ann (although I'm not sure how convincing the 1820 IGI baptism is).

There is a Mary Ann Pankhurst Winchester who married Stephen Coombes in Frensham in 1823 - a sister, or the remarriage of the mother? (It seems like on 1841 this is the Mary Ann Coombes who may be widowed, a broom maker in Frensham with a number of children, aged 35, which would make her more likely a sister).