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Is there any kind person who enjoys looking for inscriptions in the Mossley area please, unfortunately I'm on the wrong side of the country.
I have found on the Tameside.gov site the location of my G Grandfather and family's graves and would love it if someone could tell me what their inscriptions say please.
There are 4 in Mossley Cemetary Old Part no. 1890
Samuel Broadbent Mallalieu
Mary Mallalieu
Edith Mary Mallalieu
and
John James Mallalieu (though where he fits in if at all I don't know)
many thanks
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Hi,
I've had a quick look at Mossley late this afternoon, but with no luck I'm afraid :( However I'm not saying they are not there, just that i can't find them. There was no-one there to answer my query and I'm not even sure if the building is staffed.
I had a good look in the older section but really I need to know more about the plot location. Was 1890 the burial registration or the plot ref? Also can you give me an approx date and I will have another look.
Location and appearance is quite beautiful and serene, well maintained but sadly lots of markers missing and more in dangerous condition.
Will wait to hear from you
Best wishes
Tony
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Hi Tony
Thanks for looking, 1890 is the plot reference for all four graves in the Mossley cemetary from the tameside.gov council site
Mary Mallalieu
Cemetary section-Old part
Grave reference-1890
Appointment date (burial I presume) Friday 1 Feb 1901
The Section and Grave Ref are the same for the others
Samuel Broadbent Mallalieu
Appointment date- Monday 24 April 1899
Edith Mary Mallalieu
Appointment Date-Monday 24 April 1899
ooh same date I think I'll have to get the death cert for cause of death.
and John James although I'm not sure where he fits in is the same Grave ref and section but buried in about 1918 from what I remember, having the same name and being in the same section I'm hoping the gravestone will hold some clue.
many thanks again
Tessa
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Hi Tessa,
I've requested details from Tameside and will follow up asap. Looks to be an intriguing one with Father and Daughter dying on the same day and presumably the Mother dying within 2 years.
Fingers crossed
Tony
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Thanks Tony,
Yes it does look intriguing, the surviving daughter was my G Grandmother.
Many thanks
Tessa
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Hi Tessa,
I've had a look round for 1899 tragedy\disaster in Mossley with no luck, so it might be a family tragedy :(
I will try the local newspaper archives next. A Father and Daughter to die on the same day in those days would have been headlines in Mossley. Don't know if newspaper archives exist but will do my best to track them down.
Don't you just love the Rootschatters concept, it's so rewarding and fun
Cheers
Tony
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Ooooh thank you Tony, it didn't occur to me they might be in the papers, fingers crossed :D
Don't you just love the Rootschatters concept, it's so rewarding and fun
It certainly is, I find it just as much fun looking for other peoples family as I do for mine ;D
Thanks again
Tessa
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Hi tessa,
No luck with the archives yet and also Tameside a bit slow replying so i'll give them a nudge.
Best wishes
Tony
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Hi Tessa ! .... sorry to go off topic - but did you have an actor in your family ??
Mallalieu Aubrey ........Wilfred Derrick (110) in With Flying Colours (19 Aug 1899 - 8 Dec 1899)
http://www.emich.edu/public/english/adelphi_calendar/m99s.htm
Annie :)
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Thanks Tony,
They do like to take their time don't they? :(
Hi Annie,
Unfortunately I don't think he's one of mine, would be nice though ;D
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Hi Tessa,
Never did get an answer from Tameside, do you want me to put it on my 2008 To Do list?
In the meantime is Second Lieutenant Joseph Mallalieu, died Calais 6\11\1917, from Mossley one of yours? If so I saw a photo and obituary for him yesterday in M\c Library?
Best wishes
Tony
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Hi Tony, Thank you for remembering this!! :D
Please, if you would ask Tameside again I'd be very grateful.
There is a strong possibility that Joseph is mine, especially if his parents are named as Clement and Nancy. (Clement is my Samuel B's brother :D) but I'd love a copy if possible,
many thanks, hugs and kisses for your effort :-* :-*
and happy New Year ;D
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Hi Tessa
;D I'll be so happy if he turns out to be one of yours, or for that matter anybody's ;D I spotted him in the Gorton Reporter (for reference publication date 17 November 1917) Mossley man and Mallalieu stood out immediately. I had a fair bit of work to get through so just noted down the name and date so I could get back to him if need be. There's about ten column inches inc photo. He was much admired and a talented sportsman. He died from wounds in hospital in Calais, and I think his wife made the trip to see him shortly before he died, although my memory might be playing up ::) I read so many of those b***** awful stories yesterday :'(
This is him, Son of Joseph, husband of Jessie
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=471212
Even if he turns out not to be one of yours I'll post him up here for others to find him. I'll get full details next week.
Have a great New Year
Tony
:)
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Hi Tony,
I do have a Joseph born 1852, so could quite easily be this Joseph's father, unfortunately all i have is the name and date so I'll have to investigate as to whether he's my Joseph.
Thank you for all your help and I look forward to seeing what you've found :D
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I had a beautiful day out today, thank you so much for inspiring it. I woke early with nothing ahead of me, to a fantastic spring morning and wondered what to do with the day. Lots of work and DIY to do but the day was too beautiful for that. A walk in the country was the best bet, and why not look up the Mallalieus in Mossley as a bonus. I checked your map of Mossley Cemetery, had a look at Google Earth and thought, Oh dear! not much left there. Nevertheless a promise made is a promise kept. I breakfasted on a fried egg on fried bread with a large black coffee. All of the things I avoid nowadays but a feast set for an adventurer.
My Dad and Mum, used to go for days out when they were courting, and my Dad used to say to her 'next bus' and they could end up anywhere. I decided to do the same today as I wasn't confident of finding your Mallalieus as Google Earth showed the location to be bare.
So I set off with my Dad's motto, a jam butty in my pocket, a bottle of water, and an account of the 1933 expedition to Everest by F.S.Smythe. (nobody should mention Fish and Chip Shops at this point) Out of the house, I 'skipped' to the bus stops as I had jokingly challenged somebody else to do this earlier, and thought, well at least I can try it. Definitely recommended, who cares what people think?
So for the game,the title is 'Nextbus'
The nextbus took me fortunately south to Manchester Piccadilly, and the next one towards Ashton, a few miles short of Mossley, although I could have ended up in Stockport!
And then the Ashton bus looped around Ashton to the north and crossed the Mossley Rd where I got off to continue my nextbus journey to Mossley
Sure enough the nextbus got me there to Mossley. I got off in the centre and then had a 2 mile walk to the cemetery.
I got to the point on your map but as I feared from Google Earth there wasn't much there. The slope of the land was about 45 degrees!
But I found John James Mallieu! Puzzled by the word MIZPAH . I googled it with this result
In today's world, yet again and especially now MIZPAH, the legendary "Bodyguard" and Reminder on our core strengths has a lot to offer, even besides the fact of it being the ideal gift.
"MIZPAH is the blue thread of hope through the labyrinth of our modern world, the confident awareness of what really is important in life, a gentle yet resilliant shield against the growing emptiness." Helena Lind
The mystical word MIZPAH bears many messages, e.g. :
I am thinking of you
Take good care
Forgive me
I like you a lot
All will turn out well
Do not give in
There is hope
You mean so much to me
You are a wonderful person
God's speed
You are so special
etc. , etc. ...
MIZPAH says all in one single word.
Tony
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I can't send the images tonite ??? but I will tomrorow another way
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Mizpah is a word found often on tombstones, signifying longing for one who is departed. It comes from a place name in Gen 31:49: And Mizpah; for he said, The LORD watch between me and thee, when we are absent one from another.
Cheers,
China
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Thank you for going Tony, I don't know where John James fits in apart from the fact he's there with Samuel and his family and has the same surname, hopefully the stone can shed some light on it :-\
I look forward to the images, you're a star :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks China,
I can't get the photos up yet :(
http://www.helenalind.com/mizpah.html
Tony
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John James was loved :)
T
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Hi Tessa,
Never did get an answer from Tameside, do you want me to put it on my 2008 To Do list?
In the meantime is Second Lieutenant Joseph Mallalieu, died Calais 6\11\1917, from Mossley one of yours? If so I saw a photo and obituary for him yesterday in M\c Library?
By the way Joseph is mention in the 12 Sept 1916 London Gazette on his promotion.
Best wishes
Tony
If he does turn out to be one of your MALLALIEU family members, this is a link to where you can purchase a photo of his grave/ headstone ( £3 ) http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=2445905 and if you write to this kind man who runs a web site of British war grave, he has 50% of that cemetery photographed and will send you a copy for free. http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/page10.htm
Joseph Mallalieu CWGC http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=471212
Click here for Joseph gazette & he his on the right hand side of the page , half way down. (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29744/pages/8913)
Migky ;)
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Thank you Migky ;D
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The deaths on 24th April was a murder and suicide
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Warminster & Westbury Journal, and Wilts County Advertiser 29 April 1899
TRAGEDY AT MOSSLEY
The inquest on the bodies of Samuel Broadbent Mallalieu and his daughter Edith Mary, aged six who were found dead in their bedroom with their throats cut on Friday morning of last week was held on Saturday at Mossley. The evidence showed that the man and his young daughter were sleeping in a separate room together. As he did not get up at his usual hour his wife went to call him but she could not get into the bedroom. She called in a neighbour, who burst open the door. The child was found on the bed with its head very nearly severed from the body, while Mallalieu lay on the floor with a deep gash across his throat. A doctor who was called in stated that death must have taken place several hours previous to the discovery. Mrs Mallalieu stated that her husband had not been in good health of late and that he had appeared depressed in mind but that he had never threatened to take his own life. The jury found that Mallalieu cut the child’s throat and then his own while in a state of temporary insanity.
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Very sad, I read the news article that was published
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Thank you, I knew my G Granny Alice, their daughter and sister and it was never spoken about in the family. My mother said that her Mum, my Granny had never mentioned it even though they were her Aunt and Grandfather, and didn’t even know if she knew about it.