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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: dumfries-victor on Monday 10 September 07 06:30 BST (UK)
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I am looking for data on James Moffatt Percy Jones, b. February 3, 1887, in Dumfriesshire, to George Percy and his wife (a Robertson). He was orphaned early and adopted by his aunt (Anne Robertson) and her husband John Jones. Somewhere between his 8th and 12th birthday, he was shipped to the USA. His older brothers, George, Charles, and Walter Percy lived their lives in the Dumfries area. Any help on this line will be appreciated.
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Hi Victor :)
I think some of your facts might be a little out but this is what I've found from his birth registration:
3rd February 1887 James Robertson Percy, born 2.50 pm at 109 High Street, Dumfries to George Percy, dyer (journeyman) and Mary Ann - maiden surname Moffat. His parents were married on Dec 10th 1878 in Dumfries.
Regards
Gadget
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also found what looks like his father and a new wife and brothers Walter and George on the 1891 census in Maxwelltown Troqueer, Kikcudbrightshire (Maxwelltown is just to the west of Dumfries):
65 Glasgow St, Maxwelltown
District 882 Ed 8 Page 25
George Percy, 32, Jobbing Dyer, b. Dumfries
Agnes, 32, b. Dumfries
George R, 12, b. Dumfries
Walter, 7, b. Mawelltown
Agnes Mathieson, Mother in law, 60, b. Kirkmahoe
Gadget
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Mary Ann's parents were John Moffat, a master painter (dead at the time of her marriage in 1878) and Ann (maiden surname, Robertson). Mary Ann was 20 at her marriage.
In the 1871, she is living with her widowed mother and elder brother:
34 Queensberry Close, Dumfries
District 821/1 ED 8 Page 13
Ann Moffat, 36, sick nurse, b. Dumfries
James, 16, apprentice painter, b. Dumfries
Mary Ann, 11, b. Dumfries
I'll try to find Mary Ann's sister so that we can find out more about James.
Gadget
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The IGI just shows the births of the following to John Moffat and Ann Robertson in Dumfries:
James Robertson Moffat, 24 June 1855 - worth getting the birth cert from Scotlands People ( www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ) for this one! (lots of extra info on 1855 certs)
Mary Ann Moffat, 23 May 1857
Janet Moffat, 14 February 1859
I'll do some more checks on this Janet.
There is a bit of confusion because there is another family of Moffat, father Ezikiah (or similar) was a tinsmith and theyused similar names for their children so I'm having to be very very careful!
Gadget
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Mary Ann Percy, nee Moffat died on 23 October 1889, aged 31. Married to George Percy, dyer. She died from TB - 10 years.
I'm wondering about her birthdate - seems some inconsistencies - can't find much on sister Janet :-\
Are you sure James was adopted by his mother's sister?
Gadget
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I might have found James in Roxburghshire in 1891:
2 Lynnwood Cottages, Hawick
District 789 ED 15 Page 8
John Jones, 31, carder, b. Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Annie, 28, b. Carlisle
James, 4, b. Dumfries
No sign of them in 1901, so it might fit with them emigrating.
Gadget
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John Jones married Annie Robertson in Hawick in 1885 (GROS ref 789 Page 32)
There is no James Jones born Dumfries at the time stated so I think this might well be the couple who adopted James.
I'm trying to find a relationship. Annie might be James's mother's cousin rather than sister. Her parents were George Robertson and Janet Hepburn.
Gadget
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Ann Moffat, James's grandmother died in 1912, aged 80. Her father was a George Robertson. No mother given. Son in law George Percy was the informant.
I think this might well be the relationship but Annie Jones (nee Robertson) is so much younger than than Ann Moffat :-\
Gadget
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There is a birth on the IGI for an Ann Bradstock Robertson - 16th July 1832, Dumfries. parents were George Robertson and Mary Hunter Robertson. It's a patron submission so it needs checking for confirmation*
Gadget
* Confirmed by a baptismal record on Scotlands People - baptised 31st July 1832, Dumfries
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George Robertson and Mary Hunter Robertson had the following children baptised Dumfries between 1810 and 1854
13 August 1820 James*
21 July 1822 Jean
29 August 1824 Agnes*
20 April 1827 James
3 May 1830 Agnes
31 July 1832 Ann Bradstock
4 Oct 1833 John
9 June 1836 George
* probably died.
It could be that George, b. 1836 was Annie Jones (nee Robertson's father) However, as she was born Carlisle, it would be an English Birth cert soI can't go much further :(
Gadget
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George Robertson married/banns Mary Margaret Hunter or Robertson. 27 Sept 1819, Dumfries.
I'm having trouble finding this family on the 1841 Census.
Summary of this line:
James Percy,b 3rd Feb 1887
Mother Mary Ann Moffat Father George Percy
Mary Ann Moffat
Mother Ann Robertson Father John Moffat
Ann Robertson
Possible: Mother Mary Margaret Hunter or Robertson and George Robertson
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George Percy's parents were George Percy (Tailor, journeyman) and Elizabeth Currie - both deceased at his marriage 10 Dec 1878.
IGI has hs birth as 5 July 1858, Dumfries to George Percy and Elizabeth Currie.
Other children of George and Elizabeth in Dumfries:
21 Dec 1853 Mary
28 March 1856 John Corrie Percy
13 October 1860 William Henry Wallace Percy
21 April 1862 Elizabeth
30 March 1866 Robert
IGI also has the banns/marriage of George Percy and Elizabeth Currie on 6 November 1848, Dumfries
Gadget
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Anyone else out there :-\ :)
1851 Census:
Queensberry Street, Dumfries
District 821 ED 10 Page 6
George Percy, 27, journeyman tailor, b. Mousewald, Dumfries
Elizabeth, 25, stay maker, b. Dumfries
Andrew, 2, b. Dumfries
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Elizabeth Currie died 8 May 1866, aged 40. parents were Ephraim Currie, blacksmith and Mary m.s. ? Spring or Spering, both deceased at the time of her death. Husband George was still alive.
Just got booted out of my browser >:(
I'll check for George.
Gadget
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George Percy didn't die until 3 Feb 1891, aged 67. His parents were Andrew Percy, farm servant and Mary Creighton - both deceased.
So George (James's father)'s line to date:
Mother - Elizabeth Currie Father - George Percy
Elizabeth Currie (b.c. 1826)
Mother - Mary ? Spring or Spering Father - Ephraim Currie
George Percy (b. c. 1824)
Mother - Mary Creighton Father - Andrew Currie
Gadget :)
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Hi Victor
I hope you have seen all this and some or all of it fits. I notice that you've been in an hour ago :-\
Gadget
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Gadget, thank you for all the hard work. You have uncovered that Anne and Mary Anne were cousins. I believe that your assumption that James' grandmother, Ann Bradstock Robertson, and George Robertson II are brother and sister is correct. This would make James' two mothers cousins. You have opened up many new doors. All of your information on the Jones line is correct, too.
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Glad that it was a help Victor. There are a few lines there that I didn't trace but it gives you abasisto go backwards from :)
Gadget
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Hi,
I believe I am indirectly related to the Percy family of Dumfries. My grandfathers aunt, Mary McGowan, was the second wife of George Robertson Percy and helped raise his three sons, Walter, George and Tom in Dumfries (they lived on Aldermanhill). I have old photos of them. I met an elderly Walter in 1978 on a visit from Canada.
Two sons, George and Tom, had a very successful electronics retail chain in the area.
My family is still in contact with the Percy's. As far as I know, George's son Roy died a few years ago but his widow lives in Kippford.
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