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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Golfer2 on Saturday 08 September 07 06:45 BST (UK)
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Could anyone give me any information about Mary ann Collier. She was born around 1840, in England.
She married George Francis Godwin in NSW around 1864.
George died in 1897 in Hillgrove, NSW.
Many thanks for any help......desperate.
Regards.
Mavis
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Well, you haven't given us her parents' names, but if they were Luke and Mercy, thereis an entry onthe NSW BDM index for Mary A. Godwin.
She seems to have died in Stroud in 1889.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
Free to search index and copies of full certificates can be got easily and not too expensively.
Sue
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Hello Mavis
There is a Mary Ann Godwin buried in Neranie Cemetery NSW.
She died 1 Aug 1886,aged 54yrs-headstone states wife of George.
I can not find this death registered on the BDM site.Do you think this might be her?
Annie
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Hi Annie and All,
I have just been looking at the Neranie cemetery too and I note that the maiden name of this woman stated as Jones, not Collier.
I also see that in the same cemetery are others sharing the names Mercy as well as the Mercy and Luke whose daughter is the above NSW BDM entry I have passed on.
It is odd that there are 2 Mary Ann Godwins. One with the parental names Mercy and Luke [died 1889]
And another in the same cemetery as Mercy and Luke [died 1886 ]
what do others think?
Sue
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Hi Mavis,
It always helps RootsChatters to help you if you indicate where you obtained the information you say you have. Do you have George's death cert? What else do you know about George? How do you know his middle name? How do you know that he married a Mary Ann COLLIER, that this was ca 1864 in NSW, and that she was born ca 1840 in England ???
The NSW BDM indexes can be searched online free at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
There is a record of a George GODWIN death (no middle initial) at Hillgrove in 1897, parents unknown.
The only marriage of a George GODWIN to a Mary A(nn) between 1788 and 1897 is George GODWIN to Mary A JONES in 1852.
There are no marriages of a Mary COLLIER in that period.
GODWIN children born to parents George & Mary between 1788 and 1906 (Mary A marked with a #; Mary Ann marked with a *) are:
1854 Thomas H #
1857 Elizabeth E (Gosford) #
1859 Mary A (Gosford) #
1861 George P (Gosford)#
1863 Harriet C (Port Stephens) #
1865 John R (Port Stephens) #
1867 Matthew M (Port Stephens) #
1869 Luke J (Port Stephens) #
1870 Charles E (Patricks Plain) *
1873 Emma Florence (Port Stephens) *
1875 Eliza (Inverell) *
1875 Lillias Jane (Port Stephens) *
1877 Hannah Maria (Port Stephens) *
1883 Emily G (Wingham)#
Only 8 Mary GODWIN deaths in the whole searchable period including:
1889, GODWIN Mary A, parents Luke J & Mercy, at Stroud
Regards,
JAP
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Hello
The Mary Ann who died 1889 with father Luke was born the same year as she died.
re the Mary Ann who died 1886-if you click on the photo of the grave-no where does it mention the maiden name Jones.
What the gentleman who runs this site has tried to do is match these records with BDMs.
There is a George Godwin marrying a Mary Ann Jones in 1852.But whether this is the actual Mary Ann or not is hard to say.
Mavis -where did you get the maiden name Collier from?
Was it from her husband's death cert or the birth of a child?
Its sometimes can be tricky I spent many years looking for my gt gt grandmother only to find the maiden name on her children's birth certs and her death was in fact her previous married name-she had been a widow when she married.
Annie
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http://huntergraves.dnsalias.net/Graves/Great%20Lakes/Neranie/Godwin_GG&MA.htm
hey girls have a look at this link
regards jenn
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So it seems that George Garlick GODWIN (died in 1890 aged 87) & Mary Ann (JONES) GODWIN, daughter of Luke J JONES & Mercy (died in 1886 aged 54 yrs a/c to inscription) are a red-herring i.e. are not connected to Mavis's request.
{Incidentally, Luke J GODWIN, son of George Garlick GODWIN & Mary Ann JONES, had children with an Elizabeth Mercy/Mercy Elizabeth - just a co-incidence of the name Mercy.
And it looks as though the 1886 death of Mary Ann GODWIN snr nee JONES, daughter of Luke J JONES & Mercy has simply been missed off the NSW online BDM index - perhaps a confusion with the 1889 death of Mary Ann GODWIN jnr, baby daughter of Luke J GODWIN & his wife Mercy.}
So we are left with the death of George GODWIN, no age or middle name and parents unknown in Hillgrove in 1897.
Time to wait for Mavis to come back and indicate where she got her info about George's middle name, wife's name, wife's age and birthplace, etc, etc?
JAP
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Thank you all! More information...........
George Francis Godwin, from his death certificate,,,,name, birth in Worthing, Sussex. 1844.
Marriage certificate...marriage to Mary Ann, no surname known,
George's father was Thomas Godwin, mother Mary Ann, maiden name unknown.
I feel that Mary Ann (wife of George) died sometime after 1874, as she had a child in 1874. George remarried to Jane Biddle. Date unknown.
George died from exhaustion, he had a child aged 1 year when he died at age 53.
::)
Mavis
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Hi Mavis
Found the second marriage of George
Jane had been married twice
1st to Joseph Rustage in 1870 -marriage under Jane Biddlo
2nd to George F Godwin in 1892-marriage under Jane Rustage
Annie
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Sorry Mavis,
But, So where did COLLIER come from?
You still have not told us the source of this given-name/maiden -name.
Please let us know so we can share the enjoyment of finding answers with you.
Sue
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hello there
I too am confused
George's father was Thomas Godwin, mother Mary Ann, maiden name
unknown.
George Francis Godwin, from his death certificate,,,,name, birth in Worthing, Sussex. 1844.
Marriage certificate...marriage to Mary Ann, no surname known,
I feel that Mary Ann (wife of George) died sometime after 1874, as she had a child in 1874.
where did this information come from
regards Jenn
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I don't mean to sound grumpy >:( but this is getting a tad ridiculous ;D
Mavis, how come you mention names of George F GODWIN's parents though they aren't indexed ... ?
And a marriage certificate to Mary Ann no surname known - what is this??? Year, details??
What are the details of her (their?) alleged child in 1874?
Details of George's marriage to Jane BIDDLE?
What about telling us about all wives/children listed on the death cert of George F GODWIN?? Indeed, what about telling us the full content of the dc of George F GODWIN?
And where did the name Mary Ann COLLIER come from!!!
More info, more info, please ;D
JAP
PS: We all actually are keen to help!
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Hello Mavis...If you are still around I have started doing Mary Ann Collier history... I think she was with Ann Collier Daniels who travelled on Ship with husband and son William 3yrs. I am thinking Mary Ann maybe sister to Ann Daniels...who died at Elsmore..outside of Inverell NSW in 1914. I am descendant of Ann Collier Daniels from Elsmore. Await a reply !
Maclennan1
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Hi Maclennan1 and welcome to Rootschat.
Is this your Anne?
NSW Assisted passengers arriving 21 Dec 1858, ship Forest Monarch
James DANIELS, 29, labourer, native place: Ashton-under-stone Staffordshire, parents John & Sarah (both dead), RC, can read and write
Ann DANIELS, 27, wife, NP: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, parents Samuel & Elizabeth living in Glos, RC, can read
Willliam, 3
Can't see Mary Ann COLLIER on the same ship.
Judith
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Hello Judith..Thank you...Yes this the family I descend from.. I have information down to me. My cousin Brenda and I found Collier family at Paterson NSW when I traced Ann and James Daniels having Sarah at OLD BANKS PATERSON. Info was in Newcastle Family History Library in Roman Catholic Baptisms Records. Mary Ann Collier comes into the family when Ann Daniels moves to Elsmore outside of INVERELL NSW....... I have been asked to follow through as Mary Ann Collier seems to be linked to George F Godwin ....makes it harder when Ann Daniels has Ellen and Ellen marries Roderick Maclennan.
Ellen was fathered by Godwin. So Ann has 2 daughters... Sarah and Ellen who are half sisters and marry 2 Maclennan brothers at Elsmore. I am joining Inverell District Family History this March. I think this group would have information on Collier and Godwin Family from Elsmore. Ann's daughter Sarah dies in 1891 leaving children. Boys stayed with Roderick and Ellen family and girls went to Tingha.
Await your reply !! Mary
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Hello Judith... I now have all details on our lady Ann Collier Daniels. Husband James broke away and started a marriage with Mary Soper and had a family to her.
Ann Daniels(Elsmore) with daughter Sarah lived with George F Godwin. remember she had to find her own financial means. Ann had Ellen who was named Godwin after her father and family descends down til George marries a lady over Armidale way.
Mary Ann Godwin was known by this name while she was living with George.
So Ann Collier Daniels (1914)shows up as herself when buried beside her daughter Ellen Godwin ....Details are on Death Cert.
She was known as Granny Godwin! I am hoping for a good size photo of her to appear somewhere.
Await your reply ! Maclennan!
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Ann Collier also had another son with George Francis Godwin. His name was George Godwin b.abt 1867 (probably at Patrick Plains, NSW) He d.24 Aug 1936 Bellingen, NSW.
George Godwin married Eliza Stephenson 1887 Inverell, NSW
One of their son's Edward James Godwin married Lillian Laurette Watkins in Grafton, NSW 1915.
They had five children.
Lillian died 24 Mar 1929 Grafton, NSW.
Edward James Godwin married a second time to Rebecca Anastasia Adrian Everingham in Grafton, NSW 1932.
They had three children.
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Hello Cardol...I now have correct information on where George Francis Godwin was born. Would you like same...
Maclennan1
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Hi Mavis,
It always helps RootsChatters to help you if you indicate where you obtained the information you say you have. Do you have George's death cert? What else do you know about George? How do you know his middle name? How do you know that he married a Mary Ann COLLIER, that this was ca 1864 in NSW, and that she was born ca 1840 in England ???
The NSW BDM indexes can be searched online free at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
There is a record of a George GODWIN death (no middle initial) at Hillgrove in 1897, parents unknown.
The only marriage of a George GODWIN to a Mary A(nn) between 1788 and 1897 is George GODWIN to Mary A JONES in 1852.
There are no marriages of a Mary COLLIER in that period.
GODWIN children born to parents George & Mary between 1788 and 1906 (Mary A marked with a #; Mary Ann marked with a *) are:
1854 Thomas H #
1857 Elizabeth E (Gosford) #
1859 Mary A (Gosford) #
1861 George P (Gosford)#
1863 Harriet C (Port Stephens) #
1865 John R (Port Stephens) #
1867 Matthew M (Port Stephens) #
1869 Luke J (Port Stephens) #
1870 Charles E (Patricks Plain) *
1873 Emma Florence (Port Stephens) *
1875 Eliza (Inverell) *
1875 Lillias Jane (Port Stephens) *
1877 Hannah Maria (Port Stephens) *
1883 Emily G (Wingham)#
Only 8 Mary GODWIN deaths in the whole searchable period including:
1889, GODWIN Mary A, parents Luke J & Mercy, at Stroud
Regards,
JAP
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Hi Mavis,
It always helps RootsChatters to help you if you indicate where you obtained the information you say you have. Do you have George's death cert? What else do you know about George? How do you know his middle name? How do you know that he married a Mary Ann COLLIER, that this was ca 1864 in NSW, and that she was born ca 1840 in England ???
The NSW BDM indexes can be searched online free at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
There is a record of a George GODWIN death (no middle initial) at Hillgrove in 1897, parents unknown.
The only marriage of a George GODWIN to a Mary A(nn) between 1788 and 1897 is George GODWIN to Mary A JONES in 1852.
There are no marriages of a Mary COLLIER in that period.
GODWIN children born to parents George & Mary between 1788 and 1906 (Mary A marked with a #; Mary Ann marked with a *) are:
1854 Thomas H #
1857 Elizabeth E (Gosford) #
1859 Mary A (Gosford) #
1861 George P (Gosford)#
1863 Harriet C (Port Stephens) #
1865 John R (Port Stephens) #
1867 Matthew M (Port Stephens) #
1869 Luke J (Port Stephens) #
1870 Charles E (Patricks Plain) *
1873 Emma Florence (Port Stephens) *
1875 Eliza (Inverell) *
1875 Lillias Jane (Port Stephens) *
1877 Hannah Maria (Port Stephens) *
1883 Emily G (Wingham)#
Only 8 Mary GODWIN deaths in the whole searchable period including:
1889, GODWIN Mary A, parents Luke J & Mercy, at Stroud
Regards,
JAP
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Hi Maclennan1
Yes please, any info welcome :)
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Hi my name is Karen Jones I have found some information
I have got the reference numbers for the birth death and Marriages of George Godwin and Mary Ann Jones and their children I have 4 discs on Australian Vital Records and this is were the reference numbers were. If you want to send for the certificates please use these references Numbers to the .N.S.W Registry of B.D.M
George G Godwin Married Mary Anne Jones, Church of England. Gosford Kilcunder N.S.W
Reference Number V185166238C
George Godwin died 1875 aged 49 Liverpool N.S.W. Reference Number 6897
The Godwin Children
Thomas H Godwin Birth 1854 Reference Number V1854145142A
Died 1888 Silverton N.S.W Reference Number1888.
Elizabeth E Godwin Birth 1857 Gosford Reference Number 6581.
Mary Ann Godwin Birth 1859 Gosford N.S.W.Reference Number 73121 She Married a Clancy Martin Reference Number 3386.
George P Godwin Birth 1861 Gosford Reference Number 6093
Harriet C Godwin Birth 1863 Port Stephens N.S.W. Reference Number 12673
John R Godwin Birth 1865 Port Stephens N.S.W. Reference Number 14195
Matthew M Godwin birth 1867 Port Stephens N.S.W.Reference Number 15153 Death 1869 Reference Number 4286.
Luke J Godwin Birth 1869 Port Stephens N.S.W. Reference Number 17013
Edward Godwin Birth 1869 Death 1869 Port Stephens N.S.W. reference Number 9610
Charles E Godwin Birth 1870 Patrick Plain N.S.W. Reference Number 15402
Emma Florence Godwin Birth 1873 Port Stephens N.S.W Reference Number 19459
Eliza Godwin Birth 1875 Inverell N.S.W.
Lillias Jane Godwin Birth 1875 Port Stephens N.S.W. Reference Number 18934
Hannah Marie Godwin Birth 1873 Port Stephens N.S.W. Reference Number 19296
Emily G Godwin Birth 1883 Wingham N.S.W. Reference Number 19958
If you use these Numbers you can get them for half price hope this is of interest Karen
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Hello Cardol...I now have correct information on where George Francis Godwin was born. Would you like same...
Maclennan1
I hope I am not typing this up for nothing as last message typed disappeared. Cardol this is reply to you. George Francis Godwin 1st Child of James Godwin born 1811 and Ellen Mackem
George born in 1840 in Lechlade, Gloucestershire. 1st of 6 children all born at Lechlade Gloucestershire.