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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: acharles on Friday 07 September 07 06:33 BST (UK)
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Hello!
I am seeking information & getting in contact with living descendants of the family of John Charles who married 26 Mar 1846 Kildress, Cookstown, Tyrone to Catharine Johnston.
One son John b: 1851 immigrated in 1874 to Queensland, Australia (my husband's GGrandfather)
I have recently found a sister Jane b: 12 Dec 1864 Pomeroy and a brother Robert b: 21 Apr 1867 Pomeroy, believing these might be the last 2 born, I am seeking the names of others in between John & Jane.
Hoping someone can help me out.
Thank you,
Annette Charles from Australia.
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Hello Annette,
I've sent a PM with some information for you.
Christopher
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Welcome to Rootschat Annette. If you don't get anywhere with information a relative of my husband married a Charles a few years ago and I could pass on your message. Forget what townland they live in but they are near Wellbrook and church.
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Hiya Annette,
My Charles contact has a small booklet in an old family Bible which includes some of the family tree.
He told me if he remembers he'll bring it into his shop and photocopy it for me.
Aghadowey, I think the townland is Corkhill. There's a Charles family living near the Wellbrook Beetling Mill. (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-wellbrookbeetlingmill)
I understand a member of that family made a CD (or a tape) of Gospel songs.
I'm not sure where John James Charles (1845-1912), Richard Havelock Charles (1858-1934) and Robert Henry Charles (1855-1931) fit into the picture. They were all born in Cookstown and are mentioned in
The Dictionary of Ulster Biography. (http://www.ulsterbiography.co.uk/biogsC.htm) James and Richard were doctors whilst Robert entered the Church and in 1913 he became a Canon and six years later Archdeacon of Westminster. The R.H. Charles Manuscripts (http://www.qub.ac.uk/rascal/CLDs/CLD1.html)
are held in the Special Collections, Main Library, Queen's University, Belfast.
Christopher
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Hello Annette,
I'm sorry that my friend omitted to bring the Charles family tree in to his shop and photocopy it today.
I looked at familysearch.org and didn't notice any Charles born in Co. Tyrone.
The 1796 Flax Growers list contains the following ...
Richard Charles, Kildress. Tyrone
Henry Charles, Kildress. Tyrone
The Charles family are members of the Church of Ireland (Anglican). There are several memorials for the family in Ardress Parish Church as well as headstones in the graveyard.
Click here (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecotyroneireland/census/1766kildress.html) to see "The Religious Census of the population of the parish of Kildress 1766" as it lists John, Alexander and Andrew Charles.
The following people with the Charles surname had property (which most likely means they lived there) in the townland of Beltonanaen at Kildress, Co. Tyrone at the time of Griffiths Valuation which took place in the county in 1851 ... Andrew, David, James, John, Samuel, Thomas and William
Jean Rice has the Landowners in Co Tyrone, 1876 (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecotyroneireland/misc/landowners.html) on her website and there are three Charles listings ...
David Hughes Charles, address Cookstown, owned 2 acres.
Henry Richd. Charles, Reps. of, address Cookstown, owned 23 acres.
Thomas Charles, address Cookstown, owned 3 acres.
Kildress Community Projects produced a history of the area: "Rolling Back The Brambles" in 2003 which contains lots of photographs, history and information.
Christopher
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Annette,
Jackson Charles has kindly let me have a look at The Family Register from an old Family Bible which starts with John Charles (December 1834 to 1923) and ends with Verona Charles (January 1891 to 1973).
Jackson's grandfather Jackson A. Charles (October 1884 to 1960) moved to Ballynahinch in Co. Down in the early 1900s and established a business which is still run by the family today.
The specific dates of birth are not shown nor the place of birth but I think most were born in Kildress.
Christopher
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Hi John
I have catholic ancestors who were married at the Catholic Church at Dunnamore in the mid 1840's, I have found the record but it only gives townlands, not fathers of bride and groom. An archivist told me recently that in those days all had to marry in the established – C of I church. Do you know if this was the practice? Also have the C of I records been copied, or can they be viewed locally?
Regards
Michael Burns
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hedgehog55- The original poster of the thread was Annette who never posted again after the replies here.
Do you mean the Dunnamore between Cookstown and Omagh?
Early (pre-registration) church marriage records often just give date, bride, groom and their residences (the townland would have been the only address in the country). Civil registration of Catholic marriages did start in 1864 but Catholic churches were allowed to perform marriage ceremonies before that date.
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Annette,
Jackson Charles has kindly let me have a look at The Family Register from an old Family Bible which starts with John Charles (December 1834 to 1923) and ends with Verona Charles (January 1891 to 1973).
Jackson's grandfather Jackson A. Charles (October 1884 to 1960) moved to Ballynahinch in Co. Down in the early 1900s and established a business which is still run by the family today.
The specific dates of birth are not shown nor the place of birth but I think most were born in Kildress.
Christopher
I don't know whether I can be of any help, but Jackson Charles is my father and I know we have family in Cookstown. I have stumbled upon this completely by accident! The family business is still going strong and my brother now runs it with his wife. My parents are still there part time. I notice this was a thread from some time ago, but if Annette does come back to itI might be able to find out more.
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Hello,
Although I am not researching this family, there are a number of Charles baptisms available in the Derryloran Parish Church website - Parish Registers:
http://www.derryloran.com/ParishReg/index.aspx
These are in PDF format - I recommend saving the files to your PC as browsing is easier.
By the way, I have in my tree an Elizabeth Artt who married Alan Charles c. 1969.
Best wishes,
Eddie Kelso
Antrim (originally from Cookstown).
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Annette,
Jackson Charles has kindly let me have a look at The Family Register from an old Family Bible which starts with John Charles (December 1834 to 1923) and ends with Verona Charles (January 1891 to 1973).
Jackson's grandfather Jackson A. Charles (October 1884 to 1960) moved to Ballynahinch in Co. Down in the early 1900s and established a business which is still run by the family today.
The specific dates of birth are not shown nor the place of birth but I think most were born in Kildress.
Christopher
I don't know whether I can be of any help, but Jackson Charles is my father and I know we have family in Cookstown. I have stumbled upon this completely by accident! The family business is still going strong and my brother now runs it with his wife. My parents are still there part time. I notice this was a thread from some time ago, but if Annette does come back to itI might be able to find out more.
Hi ,
Like Annette mentioned in the thread I am related to John Charles ( my GGFather) who came to Inglewood, Queensland Australia from Cookstown. My interest is that I will be travelling to Northern Ireland in August 2011 and will be staying at Portadown, I very much like information about my ancestors. I have a family photo of the Charles Family at Inglewood, will find it and attached later.
Steve
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Hi Steve
I am currently visiting my parents in N Ireland and we got around to chatting about this thread! Christopher who posted here originally was a tenant in my father's property above the business until he (Christopher) died a few years ago.
I wonder whether you managed to catch up with any of the family in Cookstown at all while you were here? I'm sorry we didn't get any further with this until now....this is of great interest to my father (Jackson) in particular and the family Bible is here in their home with the above mentioned names recorded in it.
All the above information is correct and refers to members of our family in Cookstown. The maker of the CD (or cassette at the time) was around my age and I met her a few times many years ago - this was way back in the 80s! Her father, Dennis, I think, was a cousin of my late grandfather. I'd like to get back to this and my parents might one day like to visit Australia, so there is much interest in learning more about the family members who moved to Australia and their descendants.
I'm trying to find out more, although I now live in England and am not home as often as I'd like to be, and we leave here again tomorrow, but the Charles family from Cookstown are well known to our family in Ballynahinch. I'm happy for you to pm me and I'll see what I can find out. I'm sure we have contact details for the Cookstown family members. I've now shown this to my parents, so they are keen to learn more.....
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Another Charles, Kildress thread here-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=564628
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Thanks (belatedly) Aghadowey. Yes, the Dunnamore between Cookstown and Omagh.