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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: rpgpaf on Thursday 06 September 07 21:20 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to find my great grand parents and great 2x grand parents and any family they have.i have these names
Great Great Granddad was called:
Frederick Charles Barnes and G G Gran-mother: Lilly Rose Barnes not sure birth years,i would imagine 1860 to 1870.
Great Granddad was:
Frederick William Barnes and Great Gran Mother: Lilly Rose Ivy Barnes i think these was born around 1896.
I been told they are burried at ST Marys in Wareham.
Is there anybody related to the Barnes family or know where i can look them up ?.i cant seem to find them on the census.
Any help would be great.
Thanks Pete
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Hi Pete,
Have you had a look at www.dorset-opc.com? It has a variety of data;
parish registers, census, directories, maps etc.
On FreeBMD there is a birth registration:
Barnes Frederick George W Mar Q 1890 Wareham 5a 288
could this be your gt.grandad?
Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny Jan,
Thanks for the reply,yes i have check the Dorset OPC and freeBMD,my great aunty gave me the names,but she never mention George in the name,but it could be.for some reason,my Barnes family dont want to be talk about the relatives,by the Barnes that are living.I know my nan parents was both from Barnes family.Lilly Rose Ivy Barnes was born 1896 she had children with Frederick William Barnes,Lilly maiden name was Barnes.Cant find no marriage for them,cant even find my nans Gladys Barnes or Jean Barnes birth records,i know Gladys Barnes was born about 1922.
Cheers Pete
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Just spotted this thread !
If you look at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,282151.msg1655163.html#msg1655163
... you will see I quote a site I found quite by chance, which has a few Barn(e)s from 1803 on it ... they married into 'my' Sturney's (I think ...)
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Hi
Not everyone is listed on the census(es) - Some of my ancestors are from Norwich and I know that a few were not listed on the 1901 census even though trade books show he held a license for a pub and the building was completely missed.
Don't rule out spelling variants eg Barns. As people were poorly educated or listed it incorrectly spelt at the time.
Strange if living relatives aren't giving you the full picture? or is it a case that they just don't know? or are they definitely trying to hide something, eg illegitimacy.
Do you know if these names you have been given are correct? If so best to trace your ancestors, back through known birth / marriage certificates or parish register if place of birth(s) / marriage(s) is known at Dorset Record Office (if they have one? and you are local to it - as this may be cheaper than ordering certificates that could be wrong). Although people still lied on birth / marriage certificates - inventing a fake father to hide the stigma of illegitimacy.
It maybe a case that Frederick c1896 was illegimate and living with a grandparent will his mother was away to support him / them (often working as servants).
It can be really annoying when you can't find your ancestors - don't give up, i'm waiting for the next census 1911 released in 2012.
Good luck
GJB
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lilian rose i barnes birth registered sept 1898 poole district vol 5a page 268
this looks like them in 1901-
living in parkstone dorset
alfred barnes 39yrs agricultural worker born wareham
lucy 39yrs wife born corfe castle
ernest 16yrs son
william 12yrs son
arthur 9yrs son
lilian 3yrs daughter
SURCE INFO-RG13-1981
FOLIO-51
PAGE-21
hope this helps?
regards
alli
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do you know where your gran gladys was born?
there is a gladys.m barnes birth registered dec 1921 with mothers maiden name barnes but that is in barnet district
regards
alli
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lilian rose i barnes birth registered sept 1898 poole district vol 5a page 268
this looks like them in 1901-
living in parkstone dorset
alfred barnes 39yrs agricultural worker born wareham
lucy 39yrs wife born corfe castle
ernest 16yrs son
william 12yrs son
arthur 9yrs son
lilian 3yrs daughter
SURCE INFO-RG13-1981
FOLIO-51
PAGE-21
hope this helps?
regards
alli
Thats excellent thanks,yes that helps,its hard work trying to find the Barnes family.
Cheers Pete
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Have you checked all the lists with the name spelled BARNS (no E) ?
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do you know where your gran gladys was born?
there is a gladys.m barnes birth registered dec 1921 with mothers maiden name barnes but that is in barnet district
regards
alli
Gladys Poppy Philis Barnes was born in Wareham in 1922.her mum and dad was Frederick William Barnes and Lilly Rose Ivy Barnes b1898,they was both named Barnes before marriage,not sure if they are related from the same family and not sure if they did get married.there was a big secret in the family and nobody wants to talk about it.I am trying to find Frederick William Barnes parents,who are Frederick Charles Barnes and Lilly Rose Barnes,i been told they might have been travelers and might not be from the Dorset area.so have hit a brick wall on that side of the Barnes family.
Cheers Pete
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Have you checked all the lists with the name spelled BARNS (no E) ?
Had a quick check,i have been told Frederick William Barnes and Lilly Rose Ivy Barnes have the E missing on there graves in ST Mary church,so they have got Barns on there graves
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have searched the full marriage indexes from 1916 - 1925 and there is no marriage listed for lilian rose ivy barnes. maybe they thought as they already had the same surname they didnt need to bother ;D
gotta love family history ;)
still not found daughter gladys birth
regards
alli
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Hello Pete,
I've only just read your entries about the Barnes family., and by now you may have all the answers to your questions.. But I thought I'd let you know that someone on the Ancestry.co. site is researching the same family as you. Apparently the Barnes family is connected with the Ford family but I couldn't get any more details without actually writing a message to the researcher, who has data on Lilian Rose Barnes, Gladys Poppy Philis Barnes, etc. I subscribe to this site and could contact them on your behalf if you are unable to.
Geraldine (ggasparelli@aol.com)
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Hello Pete,
I've only just read your entries about the Barnes family., and by now you may have all the answers to your questions.. But I thought I'd let you know that someone on the Ancestry.co. site is researching the same family as you. Apparently the Barnes family is connected with the Ford family but I couldn't get any more details without actually writing a message to the researcher, who has data on Lilian Rose Barnes, Gladys Poppy Philis Barnes, etc. I subscribe to this site and could contact them on your behalf if you are unable to.
Geraldine (ggasparelli@aol.com)
Hello Geraldine,
That might be me on Ancestry,i have a few trees on there.
Cheers Pete
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I have a John Arthur Barnes (son of Arthur & Mary) wed 1916 Wareham to Alice Sinnick. Any connection?
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I have a John Arthur Barnes (son of Arthur & Mary) wed 1916 Wareham to Alice Sinnick. Any connection?
I dont think i have him in my tree,i have a Arthur John Barnes,his parents was Alfred and Lucy.i have a big gap in my Barnes family,so there still might be a connection.