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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mothermicheal on Wednesday 05 September 07 23:23 BST (UK)
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Hi
Very new to this, but hope someone could help. I am trying to get details of my family they lived at 16 Red Cross Street Brighton. We left there in 1960, and moved North, but my Grandparents lived there before that. He was called Walter James Fowler, I am trying to find out my Grandma's name and any other person that lived in that house in the 1950's. If there is anyone who could help or point me in the right direction I would be over the moon.
Thanking you very much
Linda
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Hi Linda, and welcome to Rootschat
The history library in Brighton has all or most of the 20th century Electoral Lists so there should be something in there. I will probably be there on Saturday, so if I remember I'll have a look for you.
Just for your info, there isn't a great deal left of Red Cross Street any more. Most of it is now underneath a car park for the City College, and all that remains is the first couple of buildings on either side at the Trafalgar Street end
(Another source for your grandma's name would be a birth certificate for your parent. If you haven't already got one, you can do a search for the relevant details at www.ancestry.co.uk (its free to look) and order a copy. They cost £7 each)
Glen
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Hi Linda
There is a death registered in Brighton on FreeBMD for a Walter James Fowler in May 1989 Ref Brighton Vol 18 p 64. If this is the one it gives his date of birth as 8 July 1913. Does that sound about the right time frame? Did you go to his funeral for instance?
Glen is right that certificates may be the best way at the moment. Although it will cost a bit it will give you proven facts to work with. Your parents' marriage certificate will give his name and occupation for instance. Assuming that you know the names and ages of your mother/father and their siblings you could look for a marriage for Walter around the time of the birth of the eldest child. The full GRO index is online at various paying sites so you could do it yourself or if you give a few more details someone here may well look for you. Actually just giving the name and date of birth of any one child will produce the surname of your Grandma from the GRO index without buying a certificate.
Andrea
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Hi Glen
Thanks for your message and that would be great if you could.
I have my Mum and Dad's marriage certificate, thats how I found out my Grandad's name.
When I was a child can remember being told the houses where going to be knocked down.
My Dad John was married in 1956 and that was his family home.
My Dad was born in 1920 somewhere in Canada, hopfully in the next few weeks will send off for that certificate.
I don't know how I managed to find this site, but very glad I did.
All this and the computer is all very new to me, but it can only get easier from now.
Thanks for everything
Linda
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Hi Linda
Do you know if your father was registered as Canadian or whether he was registered as a British citizen?
I don't know any of the sites for Canadian genealogy, but if you look on Cyndi's List (http://www.cyndislist.com/) there should be all sorts of websites listed for Canada.
If he was registered as British, his details may be in the Overseas Birth Indexes, which are available to view at the Family Relatives site (http://www.familyrelatives.com/)
Do you know roughly when and where your grandfather died? A certificate for his death may have a name for his widow if she was still alive at the time.
Regards
Glen
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Hi Andrea
Thanks
I don't think he's my Grandad with the birth date. But he could have been related, My Dad's family where never spoken about, so I don't know if there where any siblings. We were lead to believe my Grandma could already have had some children, before she married my Grandad.
Could you give me the address for the GROindex site, don't think I found that one yet.
Thanks for all the help
Linda
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Hi Glen
I spoke to the Canadian Embassy a while ago, they said I would be able to apply for a Canadian passport, so i would have to say he was registered as a Canadian, but I really do not know.
I have just taken some time off work, I wish I had found this site then, instead of the day I go back to work. Will give those two sites a try when I get back from work.
Thanks
Linda
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Hi Linda
If you look at the beginners' board you will find lots of links to useful websites. The full GRO index is on the one Glen mentions and also on www.ancestry.co.uk. FreeBMD is rootsweb based and has a lot of the BMDs on it - improving all the time. If you look at the top of the Canada board there should be useful tips there too.
Glad you found us and that we can help!
If your Dad was born in Canada does that mean his parents returned from there to England?
Andrea
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Just for info, the Walter James Fowler that Andrea has found who died in Brighton in 1989 was also born in Brighton and seems to have had at least three siblings, according to FreeBMD.
They were:
Arthur J, born 1914
Ethel K, born 1918
and Thomas P, born 1911
It looks like their father was William Fowler and their mother was Ellen Elizabeth Ellyatt, and they married in 1897. Ellen was born in 1879, and William in 1878. They had a 3 year old daughter also named Ellen on the 1901 census.
They may turn out to be a part of the family at some stage.
Glen
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Hi
I have a 1949 and a 1957 Brighton Street Directory at home, but am travelling at the moment. When I get back, I 'll see if it adds anything about the Fowlers of Red Cross Street.
Roy G
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Hi Linda
I've just come back from the History Centre, and here is what I've found for you
16 Redcross Street was lived in up to the war (or rather until 1937 at least) by Daniel and Agnes Bailey.
The first Voters List after the war was 1947, and on that the residents are Ada C Fowler, John A Fowler (your father I presume), Elizabeth Beale, and Thomas and Edith Hopkinson. No Walter Fowler, so I would guess he was no longer alive, or was not eligible to vote for some reason.
By 1948 the Hopkinsons had moved on and the house was now joined by Lamie S Clarence and Victor G Saunders
From 1951 till 1956 the only registered voters there were Ada C Fowler and John A Fowler. In 1957 the occupants are listed as John A Fowler and Dorothy P Fowler, and they are recorded at the address until their last entry in 1962.
So it looks like Ada C Fowler was probably your grandmothers name.
Looking on Ancestry, there is a death record for Ada C Fowler in Brighton in the December quarter of 1956 at the age of 76.
The details if you want to order a certificate are as follows:
Year: 1956
Quarter: December
Age: 76
District: Brighton
Volume: 5h
Page: 151
Also on Ancestry, there is a marriage record for a Walter J Fowler to an Ada Nye in Brighton in 1918.
The details to order this certificate are as follows:
Year: 1918
Quarter: June
District: Brighton
Volume: 2b
Page: 486
I can't see any local Ada Nye's of the correct age on the 1881, 1891 or the 1901 censuses so its possible that she was born elsewhere, or that this was her second marriage. If she is the same Ada Fowler as died in 1956, she would have been 38 or there abouts at the time, so a second marriage may well be more likely.
I wouldn't guarantee these are the correct certificates you need, but they look like a good place to start.
(Maybe they married in Brighton after the war, and then emigrated in the hopes of starting a better life in Canada. And then possibly Walter died in Canada, and Ada and son John moved back to be near Ada's family in Brighton. Purely speculation, but that's half the fun...)
It might be worth asking if anyone with an Ancestry World Membership or a findmypast.com subscription could look to find Walter and Ada Fowler travelling either to Canada between 1918 and 1920, or back from Canada with son John before 1947 (Walter may or may not be with John and Ada). Without a subscription, I can only see an Ada Fowler travelling to Halifax in 1919 from Liverpool, and a W J Fowler doing the same, but without buying credits, I can't be sure . They could have been on different ships or totally unrelated.
Hope some of this helps.
Glen
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Hi Glen
I am so extremely grateful for your help.
It's exactly what I was looking for.
It now helps me to research the other side of my family.
Since starting to research my family history, I can't believe how emotional I've been.
Does this happen to everyone?
Many Many Thanks again
Linda
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Since starting to research my family history, I can't believe how emotional I've been.
Does this happen to everyone?
Probably not everyone, but to a fair few, I would think.
I feel a genuine emotional link to people who never existed in my lifetime, and are essentially just names on documents. Silly really when you think about it, but without them, none of us would be here to find them.
Glen
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Hi Glen
Once again Many Thanks for the info, I have spent a lot of today on the computer trying to find Ada Nye and Walter J Fowler
Rumor had it that my Grandma (Ada) already had children when she married Walter, so with 10 units left on findmypast, this it what I found.
name Ada Fowler
Date of departure 5 August 1919
Port of departure Liverpool
Passenger destination port Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination Halifax, Canada
Age Adult
Marital Status Married
Sex Female
Occupation Housewife
Passenger recorded on Page 7 of 71
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage
Ada Fowler Page 7 0f 71
Ceciel Fowler " "
E W Fowler " 47 of 71
H Fowler " 20 of 71
Harry Fowler " 7 of 71
Jalk Fowler " 7 of 71
W J Fowler " 7 of 71
W J Fowler adult
Harry Fowler age 8
Cecil Fowler age 6
Jalk Fowler age 6
All the Fowlers recorded on page 7 of 71, are they travelling as a family unit?
Have you any idea's how I find out about Ada and John travelling back from Canada?
Thanks a lot
Linda
(memo to myself must remember to take a break and eat something.)
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Yes the family unit travelling to Canada in 1919 is..
W J Fowler Adult
Ada housewife adult
Harry 8
Cecil 6
Jack 4
Ada 9
Dad's profession looks like it says DVR ???
Carol
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Hi Carol
Thanks for looking, I didn't have enough units left to go any further.
On my Mum and Dad's marriage certificate in 1956, it says he was a chef.
Thanking you
Linda
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If Walter and Ada only married in 1918 then were these children from his former marriage or should they be called Nye and be hers? As the eldest is also called Ada that looks quite likely. Or a mixture of two families?? I think you need to get the marriage certificate to see if either of them was widowed. I have had a quick look for births for kids with those names but without much success. There is a Cecil D Fowler born in Brighton in Oct 1912 - mother's maiden name is Jones. Cannot find a Cecil Nye but there is a Walter C Nye in Jan 1912, Brighton too. Mother's maiden name is Richardson.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
Thanks for helping, I also saw Cecil, but could not find anyone else.
Rumour as it that Ada had children from her first marriage.
But can not find anything.
What was her maiden name? Nye?
Who did she marry first time around? Nye?
Where was she born?
She was 40 when she had my dad in Canada, did she have more over there?
When did they travel back?
Did they all travel back to the UK together?
Ada and son John did arrive back sometime between 1920 and 1947.
I guess I will have to wait until I have her marriage certificate to get any further.
Many Thanks
Linda
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This is a bit of a long shot- but I've seen it happen before.....
An Ada Fowler married a Joseph D Nye in Camberwell in Sept 1/4 of 1915
I wonder if he died and then she(with young kids) went on to marry a cousin,Walter Fowler?.
My grandparents were first cousins.
Anyway,perhaps all will become clear once you get a couple of certs.
All the best
Carol
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On FreeBMD there's a marriage of an Ada C Tugnett in Dec 1910 and on the same page is a John F Nye. (Dec 1910 Brighton Vol 2b Page 510)
Then in 1911 there is a death for a John F Nye in Brighton (Sep 1911 Brighton Vol 2b Page 297)
No guarantee that the Ada C Tugnett was marrying John Nye. There are only three people listed on the FreeBMD page so the name of one bride is missing.
There is no Ada Tugnett or anything close to that name that I can see on the 1901 census in Sussex, BUT there is a birth record for an Ada Clara Tugnutt in Steyning district in 1879 (Jun 1879 Steyning Vol 2b Page 309). Steyning district included parts of Hove and Aldrington, which are now part of the same city, so easily within the right area.
Or it could just be a coincidence of names.
Glen
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I've just found an Ada Tucknott of the right age working as a servant in Ditchling in 1901 who was born in Preston in 1880. Preston is or was in Steyning district and is now pretty much just a suburb of Brighton. Sorry if I offend anyone from Preston, but it is!!! (RG13/913 Folio 23 Page 7)
Can't see anything close in 1891
In 1881 there is an Ada Tugnott born in 1880 in Brighton living with parents John and Jane Tugnott (RG11/1082 Folio 103 Page 47). John was a Shoeing Smith born in Brighton in 1855.
I wouldn't start going any further in to this until you get the marriage certificate, because this could be a complete Red Herring, but may be a start if the certificate proves her maiden name was Tugnett or anything close.
(Interestingly, I was researching the Tugnett/Tugnott/Tucknutt/Tucknott etc. name in Brighton for many months looking for my ggg-grandfather until I realised I'd made a very basic error in my research, and the person I thought I was decended from had died at the age of a few months so couldn't possibly be my ancestor!)
Glen
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Hi Carol and Glen
Up until Saturday, I had no idea as to the name of my Grandma.
Now I know there were other children.
All the new info, lots to take in.
Like you say they could be red herrings, but will keep them just in case it ties in when I get certificate.
All this help and information in such a short space of time is just amazing.
I really appreciate all your help and suggestions, they are most gratefully received.
Linda
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I know we're not getting out hopes up yet,but.............there is a birth of a Cecil Nye mothers maiden name Tugnett in Brighton in June 1/4 of 1915.
It appears he could have been a twin as there is also an Albert with the same ref number. 2b page 250
Sadly an Albert died age 0 in the same 1/4 of 1915.
Even if her hubby had died in 1911,adn this child was illegitimate- her surname would still have been Nye with a maiden name of Tugnett.
This'll probably all turn out to be rubbish ::) but we love the chase ;)
Carol
Hmmm ....maybe not, as the Cecil going to Canada in 1919 would have been born c 1913.
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Tugnott came up several times as the maiden name of mother among the births so that is interesting that she was called Ada. I don't think it was the relevant names though. We will await the marriage certificate with bated breath!
Andrea
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there is a birth record for an Ada Clara Tugnutt in Steyning district in 1879 (Jun 1879 Steyning Vol 2b Page 309).
Glen
There is also a death in 1891 which could be that Ada.
Andrea
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Hi
Just out of curiosity how as everyone found the name Tugnett, Tugnutt and Tucknott.
Is there a site or something I'm not doing or missing, or do I need to subscribe?
Andrea thanks but I do not think the death in 1891 is connected as my Ada married Walter in 1918 and went to Canada in 1919.
Thanks everyone
Linda
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There is also a death in 1891 which could be that Ada.
Andrea
The Ada dying in 1891 is listed on FreeBMD as 4 years old, so was probably the one born in Brighton in 1886.
Linda, I'd wait till you can be certain that the Tugnotts (or however its spelt) are part of your family (many a long evening has been ruined by finding I'd been looking for completely the wrong family lines!), but if they do turn out to be connected, the site I've been using to find them is the FreeBMD site (www dot freebmd dot org dot uk. Strange, I can't put the address in without it being changed to a rootsweb address?). If you select "Phonetic search surnames" it will hopefully find them, regardless of spelling.
Glen
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Hi Glen
Thanks for the advise, will give that site a try when I get back from work :( :( :(
Linda
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A few days ago I promissed to look up the Fowlers for you in my old street directories, but it looks as though you have advanced considerably since then.
Anyway, for what its worth. in 1949 the householder was Mrs A C Fowler and in 1958 it was a Mr John A Fowler. In those two years there were 2 other Walter Fowlers in the town. One in Hove, the other in Brighton
Roy G
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Hi Roy G
Thanks very much for looking, as you can see everyone as been great. :)
Ada C Fowler is my Grandma and John is my Dad.
John, my Dad born in Canada, he came back with Ada sometime between 1920 and 1947.
Do not know what happened to Walter? ???
And there I am thinking she was going to be the problem.
Thanks again
Linda
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Me again
Just noticed from the 1958 Directory that the middle initial of the Brighton Walter Fowler of 29 Islingwood Road, Brighton was " J." Coincidence, or could this help narrow down your search? This Walter was still at that same address in 1970 (the only other directory I have) so it increases the probability that he was the same Walter J Fowler who died in 1989.
Perhaps the Rootschatter who kindly looked up the family in the Red Cross Street electoral role for you could have a look at this other address between those dates next time he is in the Family History Centre and again note who else was there in the hope that it jogs the memory back into overdrive.
Roy G
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W J Fowler was at 29 Islingword Road Brighton in the phone books of 1971 and 72.
Incase it helps?
Carol
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Hi Roy G and Carol and everyone
That could all be fitting in, ( I think)
I was told that on the Fowler side of the family either my Grandad or G Grandad lived to be 100 years old.
The only photo i have for my Dad's side shows a very old man in chair with 2 ladies and 1 man gathered around him. Also large bouqut of flowers on the table. Maybe a Birthday?
Just a thought
How would you go about finding out if he got a telegram from the Queen?
Thanks
Linda
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Unfortunately it does not look as though it was your Walter's death in May 1989 (Ref Brighton Vol 18 p 64) for another Rootschatter has already calculated that Walter J Fowler's date of birth as 8 July 1913.
When you start looking through the records for the death of an earlier born Walter or Ada, the death certificate issued at the time should give an indication of their age. As for a telegram from the Queen, in all probability the local paper (Argus) would have given the 100th birthday a mention (with a photo) so it would then help to get a back number of that newspaper.
Roy G
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Hi
Thanks
I knew something wasn't right when I went to bed.
I have had another look at the photo, I would have to say it is my G Grandad, with the other man being my Grandad
On the back of photo it says - Brighton Herald, no date.
Does anyone have an address for the newspaper?
Linda
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I don't think the Herald is still going, or if it is, I've never seen it in any shops. The History Centre has the archives of the Herald on Microfilm, so if you eventually get a date of birth, it may be possible to find the issue that the photo was in.
I think its probably going to be the death certificate for Ada which will give more clues. If Walter was still alive, it may say that she was the wife of Walter, or if he was dead, it should say Widow of Walter.
Just another quick question. Does your father's marriage certificate say whether his father was deceased? (Usually it just has "dec" in brackets or something like that)
Glen
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Just looked at marriage certificate does not show (dec),
only fathers name Walter James Fowler and occupation Chef.
I think it must be his father that lived to 100.
Linda
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Right, now I don't know if I should post this as it may be totally unrelated to your search and may just muddy the water a bit more, but this is something I've just found after wading through the death indexes, and certainly fits quite nicely.
I looked through from 1956 to 1980 and the only Walter James, or even plain old Walter, Fowler I could see dying in Sussex was in Battle in 1970 (Battle Jul 1970 Vol 5h Page 66). This gave his birth date as 24 December 1885.
Then I looked on 1901 Census, and there is a Walter Fowler born in about 1885 living in Brighton with his father James Fowler, who was born in about 1859 (RG13/928 Folio 126 Page 7)
Going back to the death indexes I found a James Fowler dying in Brighton in 1959 at the age of 101!!! (Brighton Dec 1959 Vol 4h Page 49)
Maybe (or probably) coincidence, but hopefully the death and marriage certificates will match these individuals.
Glen
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Hi Glen
I had seen this family, it is one of many I had earmarked as possibles.
I have now followed these back in the census record's to John 1834 M to Sarah A,
looks like a real possibility. especially with the birth and death of James 1859 - 1959.
Will have to send of for certificate as soon as I can.
Thanks
Linda
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Hi Linda
If you decide to follow up the death of the 101 year old James Fowler in the December quarter of 1959, and then check out his 100th birthday in 1958, there were two other local newspaers available at that time. The Brighton & Hove Herald and the Gazette. These had the advantage of being weekly publications rather than the Argus which was daily, so there would be less issues search for info.
The 1949 & 1958 street directories do give a Jas. Fowler living at 23 Park Crescent Road, but this may not be your James, for someone that mature may have been then living with relatives or being cared for in a home for the elderly.
If there turns out to be a positive match however, don't forget to then look at wills!
Roy G
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Hi
Thats the marriage certificate ordered for Walter J Fowler to Ada Nye,
fingers crossed and everything else, that it's the one.
It will feel like forever waiting for it to arrive. ::)
Linda
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Hi Roy G
Do you know if anyone else was living at 23 or 24 Park Cres with Jas (James)
He was at Park Cres in 1901 with his family.
I do hope this is my family, it feels right, and so far it fits with his age.
I now have a long wait for the postman :'(
Linda
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Sorry, the Brighton street directories only gives the principle householder at 23 Park Crescent Road as Jas Fowler. If that was the James who died in 1959, he ought to missing from directories from 1960 onwards.
Looking back at the acres of correspondence your request has generated, I also missed you saying that the photo you have had "The B & H Herald" printed on the back of it. The Herald was in circulation in the 1950s and only ceased to be published around 1970. It used to have several pages devoted to the previous week's weddings and other family events and I recall many people regularly purchased copies of photos used in their publications. I feel certain that the photo you have is one of these, so it and some supporting text must have appeared in one of their issues. I therefore suggest you look for the publication which followed the Brighton James Fowler's 100th birthday, presumably there must have been a family tie.
If I still lived in Brighton I would do it for you, but I have retired abroad and it is no longer just down the road.
Roy G
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Thanks
Will ask if anyone has the time to go through the records, do not know what this will involve, and see if anyone can check Brighton street directories for 1960/61
How nice to be retired and abroad. 8)
I'm stuck up north :( and working :'(
Linda
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Hi Linda
I went to the History centre again on Saturday and have found a couple of newspaper reports which may be helpful.
(Unfortunately my computer has bitten the dust so I am forced to use the computer at work, and can't scan anything to post it here!)
The first news report is dated Saturday May 17, 1958 and comes from the Brighton & Hove Gazette.
A Century for James
He was a fireman on an engine as early as 1884. He worked on the railway for 53 years and he was a member of Brighton's Congress Hall Salvation Army band for 40 years. When he was 90 he survived an operation. And on Monday Mr. James Fowler, of Park Crescent-road, Brighton, celebrates his 100th birthday.
Mr. Fowler has lived in Brighton all his life. He was a fireman with the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway for seven years. Then a spark blinded him in one eye and he left the footplates. He worked on the railway, however, for another 46 years.
On Monday, he will be visited by the Mayor of Brighton, Ald. Charles Tyson, and he will receive a birthday cake from Brighton Rotary Club.
(There is also a photo of him, but I can't post till my new computer arrives.)
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The second report comes from the Brighton & Hove Herald, dated Saturday May 24, 1958.
(It has a photo of an old chap sitting in a chair with two women sitting around the table, and a woman with glasses and a chap also with glasses standing behind his chair. The photo is very bad in the original and didn't come out clearly)
BRITISH RAILWAYS REMEMBER A VETERAN
£25 Gift For Brighton Centenarian
A gift of £25 was made by the Southern Region of British Railways to Brighton centenarian Mr James Fowler, on the occasion of his 100th birthday on Monday.
A local resident for most of his long life, Mr. Fowler worked on the railway for 53 years, starting as an engine fireman in 1884 on the Brighton and South Coast lines. When a spark blinded him in one eye he was forced to leave the footplate, but he carried on for another 40 years, ending up as a boiler washer in the Brighton locomotive works.
To his home in Park Crescent-road on Monday went the Mayor and Mayoress of Brighton (Alderman and Mrs Charles Tyson) with a present of a box of handkerchiefs to wish him many happy returns of the day.
Pinend among the many other greetings cards on the mantelpiece was a congratulatory telegram from the Queen; and there to present Mr Fowler with 25 £1 notes was Mr. F. A. Trott, British Railways Southern Region welfare officer.
With Mr. Trott was Brighton's stationmaster (Mr. H. S. Tanner), Mr. H. Knight, of the railways welfare department.
And to the officials the centenarian said:"You have made my day; I thought you had forgotten me by this time."
Other gifts to Mr. Fowler included a birthday cake with a model steam engine on top, from Mr. Fowlers family (widower since 1937, he fathered 11 children, has 22 grandchildren and 16 great-grandchildren): a bouquet from the Kemp Town office of the Ministry of Works (where the daughter with whom he lives, Mrs. Annie Neeve, is employed as a cleaner): and a basket of flowers from Inter-Flora - both the basket and bouquet being presented on behalf of the donors by Garland, of St. James's-street.
Outing For Grandchild
Only grandchild present was 10-year-old Ernest Collins, of Walmer-crescent, Bevendean, who had a day off from school in honour of his grandfather's birthday.
Ernest, who has three electric train sets, was promised a day out in London as a guest of British Railways during the summer holidays. Asked by Mr. Trott what he would specially like to do, Ernest promptly replied: "I should like to go to the Tower of London, see Buckingham Palace and have a ride on the Big Dipper at Battersea Fun Fair." And Mr. Trott carefully made a note of the programme for a day in August.
Visiting Mr. Fowler for his birthday celebrations were Ernest's mother - his daughter, Mrs Louisa Collins - another married daughter, Mrs Bertha Trussler, and a son, Mr Walter James Fowler, aged 72.
The last name should be the clincher, so the family in 1901 is almost certainly the correct one to look for. Hope the marriage certificate provides the same info
Glen
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Hi Glen
I am sat here crying
I cant put into words how I am feeling
I am so very grateful for all your help
THANK YOU
Linda
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Couldn't post it here, but I've posted one of the photos on this seperate thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,256301.0.html
You wouldn't believe the hassle I've had sending this to my work computer!!
Glen
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What a super lot of information!
Andrea
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What a super lot of information!
Andrea
I agree. Wish it was my family!!!! ;D
Glen
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Hi Linda
Some people get all the luck, and you just happen to be one of those Linda.
Speaking for myself, I have found that often parents and grandparents seem to hide aspects of their past history as if it were some forbidden secret. You are so fortunate to now have all that info about the immediate past at your fingertips. This whole 4 page multi-response chase reflects the doggedness of an entire host of Rootschatters who if they are like me, must share in your satisfaction of a job that appears to be well done.
The only thing I can now add is to tell you that the Brighton History library (where the copies of the old newspapers were held) also has in their archives a copy of a 16 page publication dated 1897 (or thereabouts) documenting and illustrating the history of the Brighton Loco works. You might consider adding a copy of this to your research for the the text is a wonderful read and the illustrations will show the workshops that your great grandfather worked in, and perhaps even some of the engines he once worked on.
Now do any Rootschatters know how you can find out any of the information James had to give in order to recieve a railway pension?
Roy G
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Hi Glen and everyone else
The picture is brilliant, you have just doubled my collection.
I can see my Dad feature's in James's face.
Thanks for all the trouble you have gone to on my behalf. Hope you get the computer
fixed soon, they can be a real pain when they break down.
It as only been 12 days since I first discovered your site, and I thought nothing to lose and posted my question, and never in a million years, would have believed how much HELP, ADVISE, and INFORMATION all you rootschatters have given me.
I feel very, very lucky.
I am learning all the time, never thought of pensions or wills.
Is this research that can be done online?
The book would that be available to order or get through the library?
Thanks
Linda
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Hi Linda
Glad to be of service. New computer is ordered and on its way so hopefully next week will be back to normal.
It was a lot of fun to search (hope it all matches when the certificate arrives!), and just as exciting to find as if it was a long-lost member of my own line.
One final thing you might want to try to get more info is to contact the Salvation Army to see if they have anything on James' time with the band. They may even have more photos. I found them extremely helpful with a bizarre query I had a couple of years ago. The e-mail address is, I think, info@salvationarmy.org.uk
Glen
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Re the book.
Its actually a set of pages abstracted from the quarterly issue of a historical magazine, so no you can't order it. Its just on file under a box number at the local history library and can be copied.
By the way, the local Sally Army HQ was just round the corner from where James lived. Its still there but I think someone else owns it now!
Roy G
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The marriage certificate for Walter arrived to-day.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
My first ever certificate ordered and it's the one I was hoping for. :)
In the parish Church in the parish of Brighton, by license, June 26 1918
Walter James Fowler, 32, Bachelor, Driver Royal Engineers, 4 Claremont Row
Father James Fowler, Boiler worker :) :) ;D ;D :) :)
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Ada Nye 37 WIDOW 4 Claremont Row
Father John Tucknott Farmer :) :)
Witnesses John Fuller and Emily Fuller.
Does this explain that Ada was a Tucknott, then married a Nye, the Children
Ada 1910
Harry 1911
Cecil 1913
Jack 1915, were more then likely from Ada's first marriage.
They were both living in the same house, in 1918, when they were married (could they have been living with either set of parents?).
They married in 1918, in August 1919 they went to Canada, Ada must have been expecting, as my Dad was born there in 1920.
I am overwelhmed with all the help you have all given me, but if anyone could shed anymore light on Ada and her father John, it would be fantastic.
I have had a look on a few sites, but can not find very much.
What should be my next move?
What should I be asking?
And where should I be looking?
Thanks everyone :-*
From one very HAPPY and very LUCKY person
Linda
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Hi Linda
Phew, I'm glad the certificate matches. It would have been a bit of an anti-climax if after all this searching the family was wrong! ;D
I think the best thing would be to start a completely new topic, searching for Ada Tucknott and her family, so that people can see instantly who you are looking for and when and where.
You'll get more people looking at a new topic, just to see what the query is. If anyone has been following this thread, they may just think its more about Walter.
I'll start looking from this info though...
Congrats, and good luck in the rest of the search
Glen
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Well Hello Folks,
I've just discovered this site.James Fowler was my Great Grandfather.I have researched this line of the Fowler family back to the Chichester area as far back as about 1780s.James Fowler (died at 101) had lived in Park Crescent Road from about 1907 until he died. His wife died in the 1930s and she was born in Hook Hampshire but I can't find her birth certificate (got place of birth from census records).James was born at Glynde,Sussex and his siblings were born at various places as they were all travelling with the railways.I believe that at least one of James children died during the first world war and a daughter was killed by a car in Ditchling Road ,Brighton.James was survived by his son James (Uncle Jim) and daughters Bertha,Daisy,Annie and Louisa. I hope this is of some interest to you.
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Hi Raymondo ;D ;D
James Fowler was my Great grandfather, my Grandfather was Walter James he married Ada Tucknutt and they had my father John in Canada.
Please can we exchange info and chat some more by PM
Looking forward to chatting to a new found rellie :D
Linda
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James Fowler may have had more children but his son james (jim) so I hear had a family somewhere but he may have been a bit of a scoundrel.I don't know if that was gambling or womanising.James Fowler himself(so I am told) was a hard man until he went out one rainy night and "saw the light".After that he become a member of the Salvation Army and many of his children were members.This was probably in the 1920s/1930s.His son Jim used to come and visit occasionally and the rumours about him being wayword may not be true.
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Anyone able to help me? Im after an electoral role look up on
flat 1, 13 chichester terrace brighton in 1953 or closest to.