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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: fiona kelly on Tuesday 04 September 07 02:09 BST (UK)
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BEEN SEARCHING (A LONG LONG LONG TIME :( :-[ :'() nearly 4 years, for the exact location my Kelly family came from in Ireland, I,ll post a few details in the hope anyone can help with my queries!!!!
DANIEL KELLY born IRELAND 1825/1826 parents JOHN KELLY & HELEN DEVLIN
DANIEL KELLY married a CECELIA/CICLEY MCLOUGHLIN IN IRELAND 1843
CECELIA MCLOUGHLIN WAS ALSO BORN IRELAND 1825/1826
CECELIA'S PARENTS MICHAEL MCLOUGHLIN & ELIZABETH HOUSTEN.
Thanking any replies in advance.
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Welcome to RootsChat.
All of the names mentioned are common in County Down. Take a look at Ros Davies's site and see if anything rings a bell for you.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm
Good luck,
Pat
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All of the names mentioned are common in County Down.
Unfortunately all the surnames are common all over Ireland not just in Co. Down.
IGI lists 3 possiblities for children (born in Port Glasgow, Scotland):
Daniel Kelly & ___:
1. Eliza Kelly born 13 Mar.1857 (mother Cecelia McLaughlan)
2. Patrick Kelly born 18 Aug.1862 (mother Cecelia McLaughlin)
3. Thomas Kelly born 13 Aug.1859 (mother Sicilia McLachlan)
If the family did move to Scotland there will be far more records available there than in Ireland and some of them might give clues to where they actually came from in Ireland. If Daniel and Ceccilia died in Scotland their death certificates might list a place of birth (other than Ireland), census records might give clues as to the county, etc. Think you need to go through all Scottish records before looking in Ireland.
Note: originally posted with incorrect date of birth (1859) for Patrick.
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Hi everyone, and thanks to everyone who has replied to my query ;).When I posted my query I only posted a few details but my Kelly family did indeed come to Port Glasgow Scotland, Daniel & Cecelia had 2 children in Ireland (possibly more) but they had a son Michael and a daughter Ellen in Ireland, I have managed to obtain all possible BDM'S relating to my family in Port Glasgow and nothing states which part of Ireland they came from!!! :-\
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Did the two children born in Ireland marry in Scotland? Church records or marriage certificates might list birthplace.
Have you checked all census records (including all for children born in Ireland)?
Death certificates for children born in Ireland?
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I have both marriage extracts of the children born in Ireland none of which states location in Ireland, I have death extract for Michael Kelly which does not state location in Ireland although I havn' t managed to obtain a death cert for Ellen Kelly, I havn't got my records at hand but i'm sure she married a McCullogh in Port Glasgow, I,l try locating this death cert maybe it will say, Thanks for the suggestion, I,ve checked census from port glasgow they are on 1851 1861 1871 1881 census but does not state whereabouts in Ireland.
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When you say 'marriage extracts' and 'death extracts' what exactly do you mean? Is it the actual certificates or a transcribed reference?
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I have both marriage extracts of the children born in Ireland none of which states location in Ireland, I have death extract for Michael Kelly which does not state location in Ireland although I havn' t managed to obtain a death cert for Ellen Kelly, I havn't got my records at hand but i'm sure she married a McCullogh in Port Glasgow, I,l try locating this death cert maybe it will say, Thanks for the suggestion, I,ve checked census from port glasgow they are on 1851 1861 1871 1881 census but does not state whereabouts in Ireland.
Just to correct a bit in the above post my ellen kelly married a duncan Mcfadgen and not a mccullogh ::)
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When you say 'marriage extracts' and 'death extracts' what exactly do you mean? Is it the actual certificates or a transcribed reference?
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Hi, Do you see the Patrick Kelly born in Port Glasgow? It was actually 1862 in the I.G.I. and I think by this time they had started to put the place and date of parents marriage of birth certs. A check on Scotlandspeople for the birth cert should hopefully supply a more detailed description , rather than just Ireland.
There was a short period between 1856 and 59/60 ish when parents marriage place and date was omitted.
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Thanks for the correction. Have changed the original posting to correct date with a note.
Kellyfamily18- you still haven't answered the question I've asked-
When you say 'marriage extracts' and 'death extracts' what exactly do you mean? Is it the actual certificates or a transcribed reference?
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Sorry aghadowey, I had a few problems with my pc :-[
It is the actual certificates from scotlands people.
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Hi Tootsiepie
Yes I have birth cert from Scotlands People for Thomas Kelly he was born 13 August 1859, does not state parents marriage, thats me nearly at the stage of frustion with my kelly's!!!!HONEST
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Ah BUT!! It's not Thomas's you need but PATRICKS 1862!
I double checked one of my own July 1861 certs and the place and date of marriage had been put back on the certs by that time.
I did a quick free search on S.P. and there is only one Patrick Kelly born in Renfrewshire in 1862. Then I clicked Port Glasgow too, and he is still there, he's practically begging to be bought, and hopefully no credits should be wasted.
Go get Patricks cert, fingers crossed. Sometimes it's a long road for a short cut ;D
I have a branch of Kellys of my own, so I understand your frustration. Let us know how you get on with the cert and where the couple got married. I'll look in tonight after work and see if there is any result. My moneys on Donegal, but I won't mind being proved wrong.
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Hi tootsiepie
I have cert for Patrick from Scotlands people, looking at it before I just assumed it said 1943 June Ireland, but could it possibly be 1943 Tuam Ireland??????
What do you think?
I agree with you bout Donegal, call it a gut feeling if you like but for a long while I've thought the Inishowen Peninsula, Moville, Buncrana and I don't know why, and do you know I think i'll be a wee bit dismayed if I am wrong :-\
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Hi, Rotten Luck with Patricks birth cert, and I think it says June too. My feelings still go with Donegal and Inishowen but I may be biased, I have a lot of family from there.
I'm sure when you eventually find out where your family came from , you will be delighted. No matter what part of Ireland it is.
One last question (maybe 3). The cert that the surname Housten is on, can you look at it again. Is it clearly HOUS...
Also did you see the Cecilia McLachlan (sp) born to a Neil and Catherine McCann in Port Glasgow? It may be nothing but I thought it curious.
Any likely possible relatives for neighbours in the 61 census?
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Hi Tootsiepie
I hope I do find out where my line of Kelly's are from. I,ve only waited nearly 4 years, and I feel at the end of my tether with it, talk about sheer frustration ::) I,m desperate to find out where in Ireland we are from, so I can visit with my family :)
Looking at this death cert again of Cecelia Mclaughlin, as it states her parents names, it seems to me maybe her mother's maiden name isn't Housten, maybe it's Houten or something else, i t's frustrating for me as well cos every cert I have for Cecelia McLaughlin the spelling of both her names is differant every time, i.e Sicily, Celia, Secelia, McLaughlin Mcloughlin, Mclachlan maybe a fresh pair of eyes could decipher Hou....
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Hi, I looked at your message because some of my Halls from County Galway have Kelly connections, also an Edgar family. However, I looked at your cert and it seemed to me to say Elizabeth McLaughlin nee Hooton. I zoomed it and this is what I saw. I don't know if this will help you or not.
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Hi Robina
Thanks for replying,you know I actually thought it said hooten, but somehow came to the conclusion that I didn't think this was a proper surname and classed it as housten :-\.Maybe it is a surname
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Hi,
If you look at familysearch.org you will find that Hooton is a legit. surname. Also I noted that you have found a marriage for Ellen Kelly and Duncan McFadgen, oddly I have been researching a Robert McFadzean and Helen Kelly. I know it is a lot of expense but do you have one of the birth certs. for any of Ellen's children after 1861 it would give her birthplace too. Just a thought. Have you thought of looking at Griffith's Valuations for Ireland to get a feel for McLaughlin and where it is based. I have noted that my Helen Kelly is sometimes given as born Ireland but she was not but her parents were. Also I note from the 1861 census that they had a Connar family and a Sweeney living with them says lodgers but they may be family. I have had a stepfather being given as a lodger. Just some thoughts.
Robeena
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I had a look at Ancestry and there are some Hootons on the 1851 England census who give their birthplace as Dublin Ireland. Also there is a Michael McLaughlin born ca 1817 Ireland, on the 1851 Scotland Census in Barony, Lanarkshire. You could track him and see where it leads you.
Robeena
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I was hoping the spelling might have been 'Houten' ::) However, Young Daniel with a Scots/Irish accent and a registrar trying to understand it, who knows?? I do know a Houten and will ask the next time I see her , the pronunciation of the name from older generations. i.e. how they said it.
Plan B-- As a lot of Irish immigrants came to Scotland, either with or to, friends , family, or neighbours, there is a chance that the sponsors of the children born in Scotland and hopefully baptised in the local Catholic church, might give a clue. the following site might help you.
http://www.catholic-heritage.net/sca/genealogy.htm
I know of 2 churches in Greenock, St Laurences, in the east end and and St Marys (central to West) , but I'm not familiar with Port Glasgow Catholic Churches of the period, indeed if there were any. My lot were married 1863 in St Laurences, this would be nearer to the Port.
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Hi robeena
just looking over ur replys there, I think maybe some research in to what you were suggesting about the lodgers theory, I did notice my family on 1861 census as having lodgers but never thought a lot of it thank you for this helpful insight and will start some research on it as soon as I can manage.
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Hi tootsiepie
I know my family of that time were roman catholic, I think st johns in port glasgow would have been church used by catholicis of that time do you think if I contacted the church they may have bdm's registers as far back as this? I have heard of church records but ive been unsure as to how you would contact church about access of them!!
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Here's a page from their website, scroll to the bottom for contact no. for family history enquiries.
http://www.btinternet.com/~JohnTheBaptist.PortGlasgow/ParishTeam/team.htm
Let us know if you get through, because I did hear (a while back) that one of the Catholic Churches in Port Glasgow was closing.. I'm sorry, I can't remember which one, and fingers crossed it isn't St.Johns.
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Hello,
Just browsing through and saw your query.
I don't know if you are aware of the following web site which shows marriages in the Parish of Clonmany in the latter half of the 19th century. I think the dates just miss your Kelly/McLaughlin marriage but you may find it of interest. There are a lot of Kellys and McLaughlins - even a Cicely McLaughlin- a different spelling. So your theory about Inishowen might be right.
My maternal grandparents came from Clonmany Parish.
Good Luck
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Sorry forgot link
http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Marriage/m4.html
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I would go with St John's in Port Glasgow
there are only three catholic churches in the area
I know st Francis's is a relativeley knew church
and there's Holy Family not sure when that was built but I dont think it was that far back
the one that closed was St Mungo's my grandchildren were baptised there and daughter
needed a copy of one of their baptismal certs
she was able to obtain it from st Laurences I think all of StMungo's records were sent there
Elaine
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I am a descendant of Daniel Kelly and Cecelia McLaughlan who married in Ireland circa 1851. They had a son Michael b 1851, a daughter Ellen b 1853 both Ireland. They moved to Port Glasgow and had 2 other children Elizabeth b 13/3/1857 and Daniel b 1859. I descend from Michael. I have no idea where in Ireland they came from but know a bit about the family if you are interested.
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gosh...that would be great to hear anything about the family, any information you have would be greatly appreciated, I would love to also give you the info I have collected over the years. Thank you ever so much.
Fiona Kelly
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