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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: crozier on Monday 03 September 07 19:41 BST (UK)
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I'm still trying to track down "my" George Peters born in Lewes 1822. It does look like there were actually two of them, born same year, practically same place, both sometime living in South Street.
Trying to find information in the 1851 census without success, to link "my" George, to Edward and Elizabeth Peters living at Old Malling in 1841. There is a George there in 1841 but how do I prove it's the right one with no birth certificate and no marriage certificates that I can find so far?
1851 I can find an "Edward" on the census for Crown Tap, with a Mr Susans who apparently is a pub landlord. So... Crown Tap, a pub?? George was later a beer house keeper and one of his partners a publican's daughter. Maybe another piece in the jigsaw, maybe not.
Not waving but drowning....
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John Susans was indeed the landlord or proprietor of the Crown in the High Street in Lewes in 1851.
I've no idea why it should be recorded as Crown Tap - unless they mean the tap room? :-\
Doesn't solve your problem of which George is which. :(
Nell
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very interesting!!
a little bit further forward...at least I hope so. Thank you so much for the reply!
Linking "my" George to Edward who was possibly a gardener at Old Malling House is proving difficult. I know East Sussex, especially the Rye area, quite well, but Lewes not at all. So I get somewhat confused with the intricacies of the geography. So who was at Cliff, who was at South Malling, oh, dear! GGGrandfather is proving a slippery customer. I wonder if he was even a nice character with his multitude of partners and offspring...nine found so far. Kids, that is.
Somewhat confused? I could scream...oh, for a few decent marriage or birth certificates, or something plain and simple on IGI. But then it wouldn't be so much fun.
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Do you have the marriage for Edward to Elizabeth Lavender 10 Nov 1812 in Ringmer? That is the only sensible one on the Sussex Marriage Index - assuming they married in Sussex of course. Very close to Lewes. In 1841 George has siblings named Harriet, James and Ann. Do those names crop up later in your family?
Andrea
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I am getting confused - not difficult! In 1851 Edward and Elizabeth appear to have gained a son called Henry age 24 and a daughter Betsy who are not with them in 1841. Could Henry be George? Harriet is married by then with two kids. Do you have her marriage certificate to see who the witnesses are?
It would make it clearer for me if you could give what you know as fact for your George - a later census with his wife and kids on for instance - working backwards is much easier.
Andrea
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I managed to find George on the 1861 census at 70 Fisher Street. 1881 he's at South St, 1 Thorpe Place. There were the four partners, Ann Steer, Elizabeth Smith (formerly married to Henry Nye), Elizabeth Read and Cathering "Kate" Tapp who I believe outlived him.
I could not find George on the 1851 census, the only likely candidate semed to be Edward at Crown Tap, who was also born in Lewes in 1822.
I agree with what you're thinking that Edward Peters and Elizabeth Lavender are his parents. But it's proving awkward to prove because there is another George Peters born Lewes 1822. His wife was named Harriet and it appears that both sets of families lived in South Street.
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I found him in 1861 and looked for a marriage to an Elizabeth. There are some possible marriages on FreeBMD. I did not search the full index. Didn't he marry any of the partners? Four does seem a bit excessive! Surely he married one!
Andrea
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Well, I have looked and looked for ages and found nothing. Then tonight I managed to find the reference for George's marriage to Ann Steer so I've rushed off an order for a copy certificate. Then by pure fluke or luck came across the marriage to Elizabeth Read who he wed in 1866. If the first cert doesn't give me his father's name, I will have to send for the second.
I really couldn't believe it. Look for ages, nothing comes along and then two at once. I will keep looking for the other two, to see if they were legal or not. But firstly though I'm still anxious to find out if Edward and Elizabeth actually were his parents.
I will let you know what the outcome is. ;)
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How good to get a breakthrough. Do let us know the details when you get them.
Andrea
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Crozier,
just seen this. The Crown Tap (in Market Lane)was the coachmans bar at the back of the grander Crown Inn at the top of the School Hill, or more correctly 191 High Street. Many of the fine old inns catered for the gentry and there was often a linked "shades" round the back for the servants etc.
Hope this extra bit of information is of interest
Rod
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Very much of interest, thanks!
Having received the two certificates, I think that the George Peters who married Ann Steer was a different person to the husband of Elizabeth Reid. As I've said before, way too many George Peters!
"My" George's father was indeed Edward I think I can say with some confidence. But I still need to untangle the other two Georges from the picture.
I also would love to know if the Edward of the Crown Tap was George mascerading under his father's name for some reason of his own. I haven't been able to find him on the 1851 census as I've said already.
Thanks again for all the detective work.
C ;D