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Title: Lost - Thomas Salley death lookup Please
Post by: Greenemma on Monday 03 September 07 09:20 BST (UK)
I am looking for my lost great grandfather.

I have searched and searched and cannot find where and when he died.   As I need his death to find his parents.   Any help, much appreciated.

I need a lookup for NSW or Victoria.

Here's what I know about him.

Thomas Salley born about 1820

I have come across many variations in the surname
Sally, Salley, Sallis, Sallary, Sallee, Solly, Sully.

1841 Ann Sally (wife) age 22 and Thomas Sally (husband) age 21 arrived at Port Phillip,  Australia on the ship Lysander (Reel 2144) British immigrants.

Ann & Thomas lived in Melbourne from 1841
then to Geelong 1849 and Ballarat 1859
these dates are from birth of their children.

Thomas' wife Ann, Anne or Annie
maiden name is McCafferty is buried in Ballarat 1893.

There is a marriage for their son Thomas Salley in 1865 in Deniliquin, NSW.
Wondering if Thomas followed his son to NSW.

Any help would be great as I am at a frustrating brick wall.



Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: ChristineR on Monday 03 September 07 09:58 BST (UK)
Do you have Ann's death certificate - does it say if she was a widow or married?  Who was the informant?

Have you checked her burial plot details with Ballarat cemetery to see if her husband is buried with her?

I checked deaths in Victoria without finding him
NSW are free online so you can have a look yourself.

Where was he born?  and where did they say that they married? as an English marriage would give his father's name and occupation.   The parents given at death are only as good as the knowledge of the informant.  It is possible that clues to parentage might be had from the children's names- if they conformed to the naming patterns of the time.

Christine  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: trish251 on Monday 03 September 07 14:20 BST (UK)
I agree with Christine that the death certificate for Ann could be helpful.

There is a death in Victoria 1874 for a Thomas Sallis born Nott (Nottingham?) age 62 father unknown
Would give a birth date of about 1812 - probably incorrect but vaguely possible

Trish
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 03 September 07 22:03 BST (UK)
Hello  there

have you  thought about getting one of  the childrens birth certificate the 1859 would be the best as  the others are early baptism records I  think

the information contained on the birth certificate

Quote
Births
Date and place of birth; name of child and whether present or not; name of parents (including mother's maiden name); occupation of parents; ages and birthplace of parents; date and place of marriage of parents; previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased; signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; names of witnesses; date and place of registation.


so in theory it should at leat tell you  where and when they were married

regards Jenn
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: Greenemma on Tuesday 04 September 07 00:20 BST (UK)
Do you have Ann's death certificate - does it say if she was a widow or married?  Who was the informant?

Have you checked her burial plot details with Ballarat cemetery to see if her husband is buried with her?

I checked deaths in Victoria without finding him
NSW are free online so you can have a look yourself.

Where was he born?  and where did they say that they married? as an English marriage would give his father's name and occupation.   The parents given at death are only as good as the knowledge of the informant.  It is possible that clues to parentage might be had from the children's names- if they conformed to the naming patterns of the time.

Christine  :)



Hi Christine,   

I've already checked Ann's grave, her husband is not there,
he is not any where else in the Ballarat Cemetery either. 

I don't know where Thomas was born.

I checked the shipping records, but their nationality was totally unreadable

Ann was born in Dublin, Ireland.

I have got Ann's death cert, somewhere, I can't put my hand on it at present.

I've already looked up the NSW free online, more than once,  but I was hoping someone else could look for another opinion, in case I have over looked it.

Same thing with Victorian deaths, I have searched registers, numerous times, again can't come up with anything,  hoping someone else might have ideas what I can do next.

Needless to say after 13 years, I am frustrated and out of ideas.
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: Greenemma on Tuesday 04 September 07 00:28 BST (UK)
Hello  there

have you  thought about getting one of  the childrens birth certificate the 1859 would be the best as  the others are early baptism records I  think

the information contained on the birth certificate

Quote
Births
Date and place of birth; name of child and whether present or not; name of parents (including mother's maiden name); occupation of parents; ages and birthplace of parents; date and place of marriage of parents; previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased; signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; names of witnesses; date and place of registation.


so in theory it should at leat tell you  where and when they were married

regards Jenn



Hi Jenn,

Thanks for your response.

According to BDM web site 2007

Their daughter Mary's 1859 birth certificate is only an index in the file, Victorian BDM Office does not have an original certificate.

I didn't go ahead and order the certificate, as the web site was saying it was only an index.   Would I be correct in thinking that there won't be usually information, as it is only an index file.

Do you think I should order the cert anyway and see what comes.




Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 04 September 07 00:41 BST (UK)
http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/auction.aspx?itemid=1822423

this is a link to an auction for a book for the Jones family

now  Mary Jane Salley  married a Jones and there is some detail in  this book   
might be helpfull to you Greenemma  also  maybe more than what is in  the"blurb"

regards JEnn
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: Greenemma on Tuesday 04 September 07 01:53 BST (UK)
I agree with Christine that the death certificate for Ann could be helpful.

There is a death in Victoria 1874 for a Thomas Sallis born Nott (Nottingham?) age 62 father unknown
Would give a birth date of about 1812 - probably incorrect but vaguely possible

Trish

Hi Trish, 

Thanks for the information.
I came across this death in 1874.  But I didn't think is was the same person
as my Thomas according to his age on the ship, would have been born around 1820.  But who knows, they did sometimes lie about their age for various reasons.
Thanks for your response.
Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 04 September 07 02:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I thought the name rang a 'bell'

Previous posting - just to save us looking for further family

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=89a2064040c89ca04d55cef26a4e79c6&topic=158633.msg1109003

Still doesn't help find Thomas' death.

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: Greenemma on Tuesday 04 September 07 02:03 BST (UK)
http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/auction.aspx?itemid=1822423

this is a link to an auction for a book for the Jones family
now  Mary Jane Salley married a Jones and there is some detail in  this book   
might be helpfull to you Greenemma  also  maybe more than what is in  the"blurb"

regards JEnn

Hi Jenn,

Thanks for your response.   I am grateful for any suggestions.

The Jones Book, is actually mine, hopefully someone from our family might see it and contact me.

It worked as you saw it and posted the information here.   :)




Title: Re: Thomas Salley death lookup Australia
Post by: ChristineR on Tuesday 04 September 07 02:56 BST (UK)
Hello  there

have you  thought about getting one of  the childrens birth certificate the 1859 would be the best as  the others are early baptism records I  think

the information contained on the birth certificate

Quote
Births
Date and place of birth; name of child and whether present or not; name of parents (including mother's maiden name); occupation of parents; ages and birthplace of parents; date and place of marriage of parents; previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased; signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; names of witnesses; date and place of registation.


so in theory it should at leat tell you  where and when they were married

regards Jenn



Hi Jenn,

Thanks for your response.

According to BDM web site 2007

Their daughter Mary's 1859 birth certificate is only an index in the file, Victorian BDM Office does not have an original certificate.

I didn't go ahead and order the certificate, as the web site was saying it was only an index.   Would I be correct in thinking that there won't be usually information, as it is only an index file.

Do you think I should order the cert anyway and see what comes.


The index is an index to the registers from which they get the certificates -which Victoria BDM holds - you can download an image instantly - unless when you tried that it said that for some reason it is unavailble.

Is that what you meant?

Mary Jane SALLY
birth
1859
Reg no: 19102

that is all you need to get the certificate online.

Christine  :)

Title: Re: Lost - Thomas Salley death lookup Please
Post by: Greenemma on Friday 07 September 07 07:39 BST (UK)
Still looking for death date and location of Thomas Salley.

To obtain his parents names.

And to know where he is buried.


Here's what I know

His wife's death cert in 1893 doesn't state if she was a widow or not.  Therefore gives no clues if he predeceased her or not.
Cert also says she was born in Dublin Ireland, but perhaps person who gave the information was incorrect.

Daughter Mary's birth cert in 1859 says Thomas was born in Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland and wife Ann born same place, and Thomas and Ann married in same place.

No record of birth or christening on IGI for Thomas in Ireland.

I have come across many variations in the surname
Sally, Salley, Sallis, Sallary, Sallee, Solly, Sully, plus a few others.

Does any one have any suggestions of what I can do next?

Much appreciated to all the responses so far.



Title: Re: Lost - Thomas Salley death lookup Please
Post by: Greenemma on Wednesday 19 June 24 03:43 BST (UK)
Still looking for death date and location of Thomas Salley.

To obtain his parents names.

And to know where he is buried.