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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: rpgpaf on Sunday 02 September 07 23:10 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to trace my Ford family who lived in Coaley in the 1700 -1800's.the trouble is there are loads of them living there,and i dont know what siblings goes with which family.Are there any parish records online for births and deaths etc ? .The Gloucester records office is 60 miles from where i live.
Any help would be great.
Thanks Pete
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Hi Pete
Welcome to Rootschat :) If you post the Ford names you are looking for we may be able to help you ;D
Sue
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
My 3x great grandad Benjamin Ford b1795 had a father Joseph Ford.The trouble i have there are 3 x Joseph Ford Fathers that could be him.I just cant work out which one.
The Name Benjamin Ford was my grandads,my great grandads,my great great grandad and my 3x great grandad name.There are two Benjamin Ford marriages in Coaley,one married Elizebeth Bullock in 1717,and the other born about 1775 married Sophia Smith in 1800.
I am hoping that Benjamin Ford born about 1775 coaley is related to Joseph Ford,its a long shot,but all i have.
So what i need are the children from Benjamin Ford and Elizebeth Bullock marriage in 1717 and the parents and siblings for Benjamin Ford born about 1775 coaley.
Any help would be great.
Thanks alot Pete
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Sorry Pete but my resources don`t go back that far, I`m sure someone will be able to help you though :)
Sue
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Pete,
At
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
you can search batches of data extracted by the LDS from church records. I have had a quick squint at Coaley stuff and there are enough Fords - spelt various ways - to give you quite a headache.
Have a look see, take an aspirin and come back with a date or two and I'll have a look through my 18th C records which include burials.
Regards
Chas
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Sorry Pete but my resources don`t go back that far, I`m sure someone will be able to help you though :)
Sue
Ok thanks Sue
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Pete,
At
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
you can search batches of data extracted by the LDS from church records. I have had a quick squint at Coaley stuff and there are enough Fords - spelt various ways - to give you quite a headache.
Have a look see, take an aspirin and come back with a date or two and I'll have a look through my 18th C records which include burials.
Regards
Chas
Hi Chas,
Yes i been though the IGI site,there are loads of the Ford family,that is the main problem,there are too many,also different Ford familys gave there children the same names,which makes it hard to put the familys together.i have to find out which Joseph Ford is the Father for Benjamin Ford b1795 coaley.Yes it does give me a headache.
Regards Pete
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Pete,
I should have said it earlier but temporarily forget all the data you found in submitted entries in the IGI. Let's know what's left and where it came from please.
1795 - oh dear. My records taken from the BT's of Coaley give the following data for that year :- Chritenings (sic!) 20. Marriages 8. Burials 13 and Thos Gabb certified it as being "a faithfull extract from Coaley Register". If that's true there is nothing to be found in the 1795 church register.
Looking for the birth of Ben' Ford in the IGI, he's not there in 1795 so where did that info come from? Was it a census? They are not very reliable.
If you note the Source call number for extracted Fords then check the film's content you'll find it shows the BT's so no Ford data was extracted for 1795
Regards
Chas
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Chas,
I use the census and IGI to go back to my 3x great grandad Benjamin Ford b1795,i also have his death certificate to confirm his age.also somebody confirmed for me in the Coaley parish records the he was born in 1795 in Coaley,and they also said his parents was Joseph Ford and Anne Shearwood.i also have his siblings.It says hes born in 1796 and 1797 on the IGI site.
Husband
Benjamin Ford
Pedigree
Birth: 1796 Coaley, Gloucester, England
Christening:
Marriage: 04 MAY 1825 Coaley, Gloucester, England
Death:
Burial:
Wife
Elizabeth Millard
Pedigree
Birth: 1803 Coaley, Gloucester, England
Christening:
Marriage: 04 MAY 1825 Coaley, Gloucester, England
Death:
Burial:
Regards Pete
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Pete,
The pedigree resource file on the FamilySearch site should not be trusted unless it quotes definitive source documents such as church records. I have never bothered to look at it seriously but rely only on church records found via the Hugh Wallis site and personally checked on the PR's and BT's.
If you are not willing to accept that the data found on the pedigree resource file are not to be trusted per se, then there's not a lot I can help you with because, believe you me, I have very good records.
On the other hand, forgetting what is alleged on the pedigree resource file, what have you determined from censuses?
Bear in mind that I am not, "getting at you", but a devil's advocate now and then is not a bad thing!
My baptismal records for 1803 (and I've not checked them elsewhere) shows:- " Aug. 28? Elizabeth d.o. Joseph & Hannah Millard" but the BT's contain no information about Benjamin's baptism.
Regards
Chas
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Pete,
In my transcripts of Coaley BT's is the following info.
1793
"August 1 Joseph Son of Joseph Ford"
1794
"August 24 John & Sarah Son and Daughter of Thos Ford"
"October 5 annamaria Daughter of Abraham Ford"
1795
Chritenings 20
Marriages 8
Burials 13
1796 no BT's
1797 no BT's
1798
Christenings 29
Marriages 9
Burials 17
1799 - no actual dates given.
"Thomas Son of Brett Ford"
"Charlotte Daughter of Thomas Ford"
The Curate who signed the BT's was Thos Thomas.
You say you live 60 miles from Gloster but I expect you live a lot closer to an LDS church where millions - well, over a million - of films can be searched in their Family History Centre. The cost is only £2.70 per film and the address of your nearest FHC can be found on the LDS site.
LDS film number 481082 contains pictures of church marriage registers from many places including Coaley so that could be very helpful to you.
One more thing, when one quotes the source of any data as being from the IGI, one should also add if it is extracted or submitted because that's a very significant fact.
Regards
Chas
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Hi Chas,
Thanks for the info.
1793
"August 1 Joseph Son of Joseph Ford
That is the sibling of Benjamin Ford b1795,that is the Joseph Ford i have to find,i been given these as possible fathers.
Coaley Ford Joseph 4 8 1761 William Avis
Coaley Ford Joseph 28 7 1771 Timothy Alice
Coaley Fords Joseph 16 4 1759 James Margarett
I been the given the parents of Ben ford b1795 as
Coaley Ford Joseph Shearwood Anne 7 7 1788 Batchelor/spinster. Banns. Wits. Jonah Smith/Thomas Gabb
And there children was baptished
Coaley Ford Jane 12 7 1789 Joseph Ann
Coaley Ford Hannah 25 12 1791 Joseph Ann
Coaley Ford Joseph 1 8 1793 Joseph Ann
Coaley Ford Benjamin 5 4 1795 Joseph Ann
Coaley Ford Rebecka 22 4 1798 Joseph Ann
Coaley Ford John 20 2 1800 Joseph Ann
I have all this info,but no clue which Joseph Ford to go for.
Can you add your own data to the IGI then ? This is all new to me.
How far does the LDS film number 481082 go back ?
Best Regards Pete
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Pete,
On the left hand side of the page at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true you will see that there are various resources which can be searched. The IGI is one resource and the Ancestral File is something completely different.
If you go to the ancestral file and search for a name then choose the name from the list given you will find some info about the Ancestral file that tells you the entries are submitted by individuals since 1978; it adds that the data should be verified. It is not adviseable to take the data at face value but they might point to where to search church records.
Ancestral File submissions are NOTHING to do with IGI submissions. LDS members submit data which they have discovered - or, it seems invented sometimes - to their church and after certain ordinances are carried out, the data appears as a submitted entry or entries in the IGI. Check a multiple entry's details deeply and you'll learn more about it.
Data extracted from church records from a particular church are grouped into a batch and allocated a number. A church member may take an extracted entry which is, or thought to be, of his/her family and submit it as above and eventually the entry appears as a submitted entry and the extracted entry is deleted from the batch. Thus you will never find a submitted entry to be EXACTLY (inc. upper/lower case letters etc.) the same as an extracted entry. I've tried thousands in my time and have not found one yet! If anybody reading this can come up with one example proving me wrong, I'll give a tenner to the Sally Ann but my money's really safe!
You must remember that everything searchable on the Familysearch site is there for the benefit of LDS church members and their terms of reference are not the same as ours.
Near the top right hand side of the LDS page you will see a tab for Family History Library Catalogue. If you enter the catalogue and choose Place search and find a film number then go to film search you can find details of all LDS films. You will find film 481082 covers many parishes in four counties - have a look.
Regards
Chas
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Chas,
Thanks for the info.i have found a LDS church which is about 15 miles away,better than 60 miles,thanks for the tip.
I cant find any decent info on my Ford family on the Family search site,my 3x Great grandad b1795 is on there with his marriage to Elizabeth and there children,which ties in with the 1841 census.
I kind person from Gloucestshire lookup,has sent me a long list of the Ford family from 1700 to 1800,it has there baptisms,marriages and deaths,the list is massive.
Can i print info off from the films at the LDS church ? or is it a pen and paper job ?
Best Regards Pete
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Pete,
Whilst the films the LDS have are very very useful, sometimes there are missing years which are not always given in the film notes you'll find in the LDS library catalogue. As I said earlier, some data are missing from the Coaley bishops transcripts of the parish register, so there's no point in your searching that film hoping for those years.
Aside - BT's were supposed to accurately give data from the PR's and a few parishes's BT's were "exhibited" (the word used on them sometimes) at the annual visitation of the bishop (or representative - archdeacon) at one parish in the area (probably at a rectory having a decent cellar!). And a jolly time was had by all I expect ;D BT's often cover from Lady day one year to Lady Day the next (they sometimes say) and I've even seen evidence of one's individual sheets of paper being sewn together into a long strip and looking like loo paper :o
If the parish register does give the missing data for those years, the only place to search is Gloster RO because the LDS have not filmed the Coaley PR's. I do not know if the Gloster RO can say if the years are included in the PR's. Might be worth contacting them before going 60 miles only to find they are missing.
Another address for your favourites is http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/FindingBatchNos.html it's procedure is self explanatory.
One bright light in years ahead is that the LDS have a project in hand to make all their films' pic's available on line. They have so many films it will take many years before much is available so do not hold fire on your research :D
By the way, I think most if not all, LDS FHC's have films of the Office for National Statistics' birth, marriage and death indices.
You will find the LDS FHC people very helpful and friendly.
Regards
Chas
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Hi Chas,
OK thanks for the info.Looking at the film notes,the person that sent me the list of Fords for 1700-1800,i have seen his name as a Author,i wonder where he gets his info from,if there was no church records for 1795.
I will ring my LDS to find out when they are open,hopefully i will find something good.
Regards Pete
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Pete,
According to a reply about a Peter Brown on the look-up requests, there are PR's available at the Gloster R.O. for 1795. Have a look.
Chas
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Hi Chas,
Oh yes,thats were my list must of came from.i got 7 pages of Fords to go through.i wish they put there ages on the church records when they got married,it would make the family tree abit easier.
Thanks Pete
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Hi,i have got futher in my tree.if anybody else has family from coaley or Uley etc,please get in touch.
Thanks Pete
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Hi My Thomas Gabb married a ann Ford 10 th may 1822 is this any of your relatives
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Hi My Thomas Gabb married a ann Ford 10 th may 1822 is this any of your relatives
Hi,
Not too sure,do you know where Ann was baptised ?