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Research in Other Countries => Canada Lookup Request => Canada => Canada Lookup Requests Completed => Topic started by: fiona g on Sunday 02 September 07 16:57 BST (UK)
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Can anyone advise me how I can find children born after 1909 in Canada.
Fiona
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Hi Fiona ... I'd like to know that too ... can I suggest you repost your query on the Canada board ... where it might get seen by more Canadians ?
You could start off by searching the Canadian census for 1911 on
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp
if you know the names of the parents, and see if there are any children listed ?
Otherwise, I think we'll have to see what the Canadians can suggest !
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Hi Lydart Thanks for reply and advise on the website.
oops did'nt realise there was a Canadian board sorry if I can work out how to move my posting I will.I will try the website you sent me.
Fiona
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,166.0.html
is the general Canadian immigrants board.
You could ask a moderator to move you as I dont know how !! ???
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Hi Lyndart
I think I will have too ask a moderator as I have'nt a clue how
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Canadian records are by Province and each Province has different records and rules about access. Do you know where in Canada the children might have been born? Aside from actual birth records there are sometimes other ways to get a birthdate and place. Sorry can't help further without more information.
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Hi Aghadowey thanks for your reply
I do not have much info and no experience of Canadian records so any help or advise much appreciated.Info I have
James Leishman b1881 Humbie East Lothian married Susan B Cockburn July 1909 dob1885 USA.James and Susan married in North Bay,Ontario, Canada.
I have been told a family story that 2 Leishman brothers married 2 Cockburn sisters and both had large families.So my mission now is to prove of disprove this family story.
Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
Besides BMD records in Ontario you may want to look at telephone books and other resources in the area where you think your rellies were/are. I am from Ontario, unfortunately from the other side of northern Ontario from North Bay. Many libraries carry the local phone books back to when they were 1st published as well as local family histories. I've been told that the metro Library in Toronto has many of the telephone books from many cities and towns in Ontario, If North Bay library doesn't have them that far back, the Metro Toronto Library may. The genealogy staff in Toronto and other library staff elsewhere have been very nice and helpful to me in the past in my search for rellies through the telephone books, family histories, and other resources. Hope this helps you out.
JDC
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Hi JDC
Thanks for you reply and advise.I will give it a go.
Fiona
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Found this marker for Leishman in North Bay.
North Bay - Forest Lawn Cemetery
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp/nipissin/northbay/forest/leishma1.jpg
Waters Cemetery, Lively Ontario
(Sudbury Regional Municipality)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp/sudbury/sudbury/lively/waters/leishma1.jpg
Terrace Lawn Cemetery - Block 1 - North Bay
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp/nipissin/northbay/terrace/block1/leishma1.jpg
Other are shown here as well
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp/nipissin/index.htm
Ontario Vital Statistics Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/
Ontario Cemetery finding aid
http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search
Ontario Genealogical Society
There is 1 Susan Leishman listed as buried in Korah, Algoma, Ontario at New Greenwood Cemetery.
http://ogs.andornot.com/CemeteryIndex.aspx
Janice
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Algoma District Cemetery Directory
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onalgoma/cemname.html
Lookups for Algoma Cemeteries etc.
http://www.wightman.ca/~dkaufman/
Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness - Ontario
(Lookups - births etc.)
http://www.raogk.org/ontario.htm
Sault Ste. Marie Public Library
http://www.ssmpl.ca/
Janice
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Hi Janice
Thank you for taking the time to send so many links.I will check them after work.
Fiona
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Found the following border crossing....
Susan Leishman nee Cockburn
Place of Birth: Riggenhead, Scotland
Age: 50 years, 6 months (hard to read)
Occupation: Housewife
Language: English
Race: Scot.
Nationality: Canada
Last Permanent Res.: 256 Brown, Soo*, Ontario (*Sault Ste. Marie)
Name of Nearest Relative: James, husband
Ent. to US from 1906 to 1909 - Where: Minnisota various, occ. visits
Height: 5'6, fair, hair: grey eyes: blue
Date of Landing: Montreal Sept. 1912, SS Unknown
Karen
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Oops, forgot to add date of that border crossing...
May 24, 1944
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New York Passenger List for....
Susan B. Cockburn
Age: 22
Single
Scotland
going to Uncle James Cockburn in Villars ? Minnisota, USA
Arrival: June 24, 1906
Ship: SS Caledonia
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In the 1910 US Census is.....
James Cockburn, head
60 years old
widow
born Scotland
year of immigration: 1886, NA (naturlized)
Occupation: Horse Dealer
Thomas B. Cockburn
25 years old
single
Born: Minnesota
Occupation: Pool Room (?)
Villard Village, County of Pope, Minnesota
Karen
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Here's the marriage info just in case
Jas. Leishman
Occupation: Car Repairer
Bachelor
Age: 28
Religion: Presb.
Usual residence: North Bay, Ontario
Father: Jas. Leishman, labourer
Mother: Janet Nairn
Susan B. Cockburn
Spinster
Age: 24
Religion: Presb.
Usual Residence: Villard, Minn. USA
Father: Alex. Cockburn, labourer
Mother: Marion Brotherson
Date of Marriage: July 28, 1909, North Bay, Ontario
Reg. No. 014974
Karen
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Death Registration for:
Howard James Leishman
Age: 5 months
Date of Death: August 31, 1913
Place of Birth: North Bay, ON
Place of Death: North Bay, ON
Father: James Leishman
Mother: Susan Brotherston Leishman
Cause of Death: Infantile Diarrohea
Informant: James Leishman
Date of Burial: Sept. 1, 1913
Reg. No. 023181
Karen
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Hi Karen Thanks for your reply and so much info ;D. even down to a discription of what Susan B Cockburn looked liked.
Please could you point me in the right direction to find more info on James Leishman Susans husband.I have been trying with no luck so far to find James on shipping lists.I have still a lot of cemetery links to try that Janice kindly sent me.
Again many thanks.
Fiona
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Do you know what brother came to Canada with James?
Karen
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There is the following.....
James Leishman, age 25
Occupation: Moulder
Native Country of Birth: Scotland
Place of Destination: Walkerville
Arriving in Montreal May 22, 1906 on the SS Sicilian
Allan Shipping Line
Departing Port: Glasgow
You can view the original image at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=kh0kcpa9tv3550gegeqeb382t6
he's at the top of page 16
Karen
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Hi Karen
My aunt has said in the past James and John Leishman each married a Cockburn sister.I have found John Leishman did marry a Marion Cockburn, John died in Edinburgh not Canada.I have still to check for John's wifes m.s but unfortunately work got in the way.I think my aunt maybe has half the story right,there is another brother William Leishman b1885 but doubt 3 brothers would marry 3 Cockburn sisters.
Can you explain in your earlier posting of Susans border crossing - date of landing: Montreal Sept 1912,SS unknown.Did she make the crossing without James her husband.Is it possible to get a discription of James.
All help appreciated as I am out of my comfort zone of Scottish genealogy sites and am clueless when it comes to Canadian sites.
Fiona
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Hi Karen
Just to let you know I have just checked James Leishmans brother John Leishman wife Marion Rattray Cockburns (Susan B Cockburns sister)death record on SP Susan and Marion are the daughters of Alexander Cockburn and Marion Brotherston.So like I said earlier my aunt was half right with her story of 2 Leishman brothers marrying 2 Cockburn sisters but only 1 brother and 1 sister going to Canada.
Fiona
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Another possible clue:
Death record
Registration #: 43-703028
Name: Herman Ivan Leishman
Place of Death: Sicily (in the field)
Residence: Dean Lake, Ontario (a settlement between Sault Ste. Marie and Sudbury)
Date of Death: 3 Aug 1943
Cause of Death: Killed in Action
Date of Birth: 10 Apr 1919
Place of Birth: Ontario
Father: James Hogarth Leishman
Mother: not given
Racial Origin: English (this doesn't match, but I wouldn't let that be the only reason to dismiss this as a possibility)
MJP
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Not that it is hugely significant at this stage of the game...but after checking the census probably every single time I got notified, I finally found them in 1911....I checked the surnames in Nipissing, all the North bay listings Ugh...made me crazy...
Here they are as Lishman, transcribed as Lohman...
both say immigrated from Scotland in 1906...There is a new baby...Morris / Moores? he's a fitter and she is ?...Never mind...it is more legible below...she is "at Home" Duh!
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=87259
;D J.J.
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I don't know if these have to do with your family, but they are books that mention the Leishman family.
Memories of Gatchell
(Sudbury - Russell Leishman
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6160
North Bay, Past, Present, Prospective
(Robert Leishman)
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6140
Janice
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Will's Filed
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/instr_6.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/crw_26.htm
Algoma Surrogate Court Wills
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/ssmw_49.htm
Main site for above
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/landfrnt.htm
Janice
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North Bay Directories
Vernon's North Bay street, alphabetical, business and miscellaneous directory. -- (1916) (if you use Flip Book, you can check much easier)
James & E.G. Leishman mentioned
http://www.archive.org/details/vernonsnorthbay00vernuoft
Vernon's North Bay street, alphabetical, business and miscellaneous directory 1917-18 (1917)
James & E.G. Leishman mentioned
http://www.archive.org/details/northbaystreet00vernuoft
North Bay, the gateway to Silverland, being the story of a happy, prosperous people, who are building the metropolis of the North (1909)
(Leishman not mentioned, but still an interesting book)
http://www.archive.org/details/silverland00garduoft
Sault Ste Marie Directories
Vernon's Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton, street, alphabetical, business and miscellaneous directory 1917-18 (1918)
(Jean, J Emerson, John, & William Leishman mentioned)
http://www.openlibrary.org/details/vernsaultstemarie00vernuoft
Foster's Sault Ste. Marie, Ont. directory...embracing a street directory and guide : an alphabetical list of names, a classified business directory, and miscellaneous directory. -- (1901-1902)
(Jane, Emerson, William & Mary Leishman mentioned)
http://www.openlibrary.org/details/fosterssault190100fostuoft
NEW
Another Link:
That's my family
http://www.thatsmyfamily.info/
Janice
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other postings on this couple...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254839.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,253607.0.html
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and a huge thanks to you all for your hard work researching this topic.
Off to completed it goes......
Moderator.
;D
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Thank you all much appreciated.Fiona