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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: RobPhill on Friday 31 August 07 19:54 BST (UK)
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I have a 95 year-old friend, Edward Wragg who is interested in looking into his family history. ANY information on the WRAGG family who lived at Winfarthing would be greatly appreciated. I realise that this is a 'tall order' but it would make an 'old boy' very happy.
RobPhill
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Hi RobPhill,
Can you just ask him for his parents' (and maybe even grandparents') names? :)
The 1901 census has only 1 Wragg in Winfarthing:
RG13/1865 70 4
Short Green
Henry E Wragg, head, wid, 59, Yardman on Farm, b. New Lakenham
Helen J Allen, niece, s, 31, Housekeeper, b. Ambleside
Ring any bells? :)
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Being as Tati beat me to the 1901 ;D ;D
1851
Ellis Wragg head mar 65 farmer Norfolk Winfarthing
Elizabeth " wife mar 64 Suffolk Bury St Edmunds
Ellis " son u/m 32 farmers son Norfolk Westfield?
Mary Linsley? visitor u/m 33 Notts Balderton
Sarah Potter serv u/m 17 house serv Norfolk Winfarthing
living at Short Green, Winfarthing, Norfolk
H0107/ 1822
folio 125
page 19
ricky
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Hi, Tati & Ricky1,
Many thanks for your information on the Wragg family. I have talked to Ted Wragg and gleaned a little more info:
Edward H. Wragg b. Sept 1912 at Erpingham, Norfolk
His father: Leonard Henry, b. Dec. 1882 in Norwich, married Emily Edith Merry
His grandfather: Leonard Joseph, b. 1848 married Annie Maria Woodcock in Jun. 1876
(This one I found on the 1881 census via familysearch)
There seems to be a great lack of information on familysearch for the Norfolk region. From what I have found so far, the birth was recorded in the parish register but failed to note the names of the parents!!
If you could supply any further details, Ted & I would be most grateful. He is now 95 years old and still an active member of our Rotary Club. Hope for us all yet!!
Regards,
Rob.Phill
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Hi Rob
1901
Leonard Wragg head mar 53? stone mason Norfolk Norwich
Annie " wife mar 48 " Walshingham?
Louisa? " dau u/m 25 book binder " Norwich
Ellen " dau u/m 21 dressmaker " "
Leonard " son u/m 18 carpenter? " "
Alice " dau u/m 20 domestic " "
living at Howes Close, Norwich, Norfolk
Rg13/ 1838
folio 51
page 40
ricky
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1891
Leonard Wragg head mar 43 stone mason Norfolk Norwich
Annie " wife mar 39 " Walshingham
Leanora " dau u/m 13 book binder " Norwich
Ellen " dau u/m 11 " "
Alice " dau u/m 10 " "
Leonard " son u/m 8 " "
living at 93 Alexandra Road, Heigham, Norfolk
Rg12/ 1530
folio 117
page 34
ricky
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1861
Henry Wragg head mar 49 coal dealer Norfolk Winfarthing
Maria F? " wife mar 42 " Norwich
Eliza J " dau u/m 17 " "
Leonard J " son u/m 13 scholar " "
living at Halls Brewery Lane, Norwich Lakenham, Norfolk
Rg9/ 1216
folio 38
page 31
ricky
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Curiously, Edward's mother's maiden name is Bracey on the index for Edward's birth ???
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1851
Henry Wragg head mar 39 corn chandler? coal dealer Norfolk Winfarthing
Maria F " wife mar 32 Norfolk Norwich
Henry E " son u/m 8 scholar " Lakenham
Eliza J " dau u/m 7 " " "
Leonard J " son u/m 3 " "
living at 1 Richmond Place, Norwich Lakenham, Norfolk
H0107/ 1814
folio 4
page 1
ricky
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Just butting in here - there are a few Norfolk Wraggs in FreeREG which may be worth investigating later on.
Also I found this (SUBMITTED) on IGI:
Henry Wragg b 1 Oct 1811
chr 20 Oct 1811
Winfarthing, Norfolk
father Ellis Wragg
mother Elizabeth Sparkes
Ellis=Elizabeth 6 Dec 1810 Banham Nfk (also Submitted)
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1841
Henry Wragg 25 coal merchant born in county
living at Richmond Place, Hamlet Of Lakenham, Norwich,Norfolk
H0107/ 787/ 9
folio 1
page 1
ricky
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Hi Rob
At the moment I carnt see Leonard in the 1871, I dont know wether Tati can :-\
ricky
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At the moment I carnt see Leonard in the 1871, I dont know wether Tati can :-\
I can't either :(
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Not helping with the missing 1871 but I've finally found the marriage for Edward's parents!
Sep quarter 1905
Norwich 4b 289
Leonard Henry Wragge - Emily Edith M Bracey
Birth Emily Edith M Bracey Sep 1884 Norwich 4b 140
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1901
RG13/1836 106 19
Norwich, Norfolk
12 Whitefriars? St
4 rooms occupied
James Cotton, head, 44, Boot Finisher, b. Norwich
Sophia, wife, 44, b. Heckingdon
Sophia C, day, 24, Boot Fitter, b. Norwich
Martha Bracey, mother in law, wid, 70, b. do - blind
Emily E M Bracey, niece, 16, Boot Machinist, b. do.
1891
RG12/1521 29 6
Norwich, Norfolk
13 Bedding's Lane
3 rooms occupied
Martha Bracey, head, wid, 65, b. Norwich
Edward, son, wid, 30, out of work, b. do.
Emily, granddau, 7, scholar, b. do.
You'd need Emily's birth cert to prove that emily is Edward's daughter. There's a marriage for Edward to either Emily Co(m/rn)er or Eliza High in Sep 1883, and a death for an Emily Bracey age 22 in Sep 1884 ...
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Hi Everybody who responded to my request. All this work done so quickly and on a Saturday,too!! I hope that one day I can reciprocate. Ted, I'm sure will be delighted. The information will now keep me occupied for the weekend - wife giving me 'looks!!'
Kind regards,
RobPhill
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Possible marriage for Henry Wragg
Henry Wragg
1841
Dec quarter
Norwich
Norfolk
vol 13
page 680
On the same page is a
Maria Frances Kippin
plus some other people
ricky
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Maria Frances Kippin
Born 27 March 1819
Christened 18 April 1819 Saint John De Sepulchre Norwich Norfolk
parents Joseph Kippin, and Sarah
This is an Extracted Record from the IGI
ricky
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Still following the Braceys ...
I can see a possible Edward Bracey in 1901, but he's down as single ...
Edward Bracey, boarder, s, 39, Coachman Domestic, b. Norwich
in the household of a William Fisher in Herringfleet Suffolk.
RG13/1808 20 5
Seems Edward dies in 1903 :(
Anyway we can't be sure he's Emily's father but Martha is her grandmother for sure, so here we go:
1881 - with her mother also Martha Bracey - meaning we possibly won't find a Mr Bracey :P
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=16429418
RG11/1942 8 10
1871
RG10/1814 112 35
Norwich, Norfolk
Mariner's Lane
Martha Bracey, head, wid, 44, Char Woman, b. Norwich
Elizth, dau, 18, Dressmaker, b. Norfolk Rackheathe
William, son, 16, Labourer, b. Heckenham
Sophia, dau, 14, Domestic servant, b. do.
Edward, son, 10, scholar, b. Norwich
Albert, son, 4mo, b. do.
1861
RG9/1214 154 1
Norwich St Michael At Thorn
Ber Street, Jubilee Yard
Martha Brassey, head, mar, 26, Washerwoman
Elizabeth, dau, 9
Sophia, dau, 4
William, son, 7
Edward, son, 1
All born Norwich
In 1851, she's a domestic servant at Rackheath Norfolk, unm, 25, b. St Swithin Norwich
HO107/1811 302 6
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Following on from what Ruskie put
Ellis Wragg born 29 Jan 1786 Winfarthing Norfolk
parents Jonathan Wragg and Susanna Ellis
Submitted record on the IGI
ricky
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1841
Ellis Wragg 55 farmer born in county
Elizabeth " 54 "
Ellis " 22 "
Mary Ann Reeve?17 Female serv Born in county
living at Shore Green, Winfarthing, Norfolk
H0107/ 758/ 17
folio 14
page 22
ricky
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A possible death for Jonathan Wragg
Jonathan Wragg
1838
June Quarter
Guiltcross
Norfolk
Vol 13
page 108
No age given
Winfarthing is in the registration district of Guiltcross
ricky
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Me still with the Braceys ... now Martha's parents ... (
1841
HO107/779/2 4 3
Ashby, Norfolk
John Bracey, 38, Ag lab (born Burgh St Peter according to 1861)
Martha, 33
John, 11
Elizabeth, 4
Edward, 2
Esther, 4 months
All born in Norfolk
(Martha jr is in service at Loddon)
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1871
Henry Wragg head mar 59 coal dealer land owner Norfolk Winfarthing
Maria F " wife mar 52 " Norwich
Eliza J " dau u/m 27? embroideress " "
living at Halls Brewery Lane , Lakenham, Norfolk
Rg10/ 1815
folio 46
page 36
Leonard had left home
ricky
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1881
Henry Wragg head mar 69 coal dealer Norfolk Winfarthing
Maria " wife mar 62 " Norwich
living at Lakenham, Norfolk
Rg11/ 1945
folio 45
page 30
ricky
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1891
Maria F Wragg head wid 72 living on own means Norfolk Norwich
Florence Groom boarder u/m 17 school teacher " "
living at 3 Prospect Place, Lakenham, Norfolk
Rg12/ 1525
folio 40
page 7
ricky
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1901
Maria F Wragg head wid 82 living on own means Norfolk Norwich
Florence Groom visitor u/m 27 school teacher "
living at 3 Prospect Place, Lakenham, Norfolk
Rg13/ 1847
folio 107
page 25
ricky
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Maria Frances Wragg
Born 1820 ish
Died 1905
Aged 85
Norwich
Norfolk
March Quarter
Vol 4b
page 106
ricky
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Ellis Wragg
Born 1786 ish
Died 1866
Aged 80
March Quarter
Guiltcross
Norfolk
Vol 4b
page 196
ricky
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I'm offering a few Woodcocks! 8)
1861
RG9/1246 69 6
Little Walsingham, Norfolk
Knight St
James Woodcock, head, 45, Ag lab, b. Little Walsingham
Mary*, wife, 45, b. Edgefield
Henry, son, 15, Shoemaker Ap, b. Little Walsingham
Ann M, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
*In 1841, 1851, 1871 and 1881, she's called Martha
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I am looking for any information on Albert Edward Bracey, there are a lot of interest in Bracey on line but not this particulate name
He was born Berhampton area or near Loddon, his father had the same name
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I dont know if this is really a connection, however it may be of some interest my greatgrandfather was christened John Wagg/Wragg Cooke, his parents were Charles Elijah Cooke born in Docking Norfolk. Hie parents were William Cooke and Mary Wagg/ Wragg married 5th April 1813 in Docking
regards Janet
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My wife is a Bracey descendant and has inherited am old Victorian style photo album and 5 photos feature the Wragg family including one showing 5 of them. A copy is attached. I would be happy to forward a copy of any of the otherphotos
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Hi braceyquest,
Many thanks for your message and photo of the Wragg family. I'm sure that Ted would love to see them. If you have any details, i.e. names, etc that would help him a lot. I was with him last evening - he is now 95 years young and still attends his Rotary Club regularly.
RobPhill
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RobPhill
The names in the album for the photo posted are :-
At the back, Emily, Phylis, Lennard
At the front, Edward.
We are packing to go away until late Wednesday. I will scan & send the other photos when I get back.
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I can add just a little bit more. My 2x greatgrandfather was Chales Elijah Cooke born in Deasingham Norfolk in 1827. He married and became a master sadle and harhess maker with his own business listed in the Whites directory in Lincolnshire. His mother was Mary Wagg born 1789 in Norfolk
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Hi, Janet,
Thank you for that snippet of info. I will pass it on to Ted. He is quite overwhelmed at the response he has received as he knew very little about his family.
RobPhill
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I know the feeling only to well. I started with so very little just 6 years ago after my daugter was married. I have been so surprised and at times quite shocked as to what I have found, far to much to list on here. Only to say my mother was so victorian and would turn in her grave if she knew just how much I have found. So my best wishes to Ted and I would be only to happy to send on any more I have on my side of the wragg family. regards Janet
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Hi, Janet,
Your message made me smile!! If only we knew what a can of worms we would sometimes turn up, would we have started! Today's youngsters think they know it all but the Victorians knew far more but kept it 'under wraps'. How clever they were!!
Any info would be appreciated by Ted it just means starting with him all over again, but I enjoy it. That's what genealogy is all about & I enjoy it.
Kind regards,
Rob.
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If you will trust me with an email address I will send a word doc of my research. Mary Wagg married into the Cooke family and as my grandmother was a cooke that has been my mailn research, but I would be happy to send that on to you to give to Ted. I to have had many smiles giggles and sometimes a few swear words but as you say todays kids think they invented the world but how little they know!!!!!. regards Janet
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Hi Janet2,
Thanks for your message, re mary. Very kind of you to offer details for Ted Wragg. My e-mail address is:
PHLLRB@AOL.COM
(all small case letters)
Hopefully, I will be seeing Ted tonight at Rotary Club. I'm sure he will be interested.
Rob.
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So how did you get from the Wragg family to the Cook(e)/Wagg family or did I miss something along the way post wise?
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my great grandfather was given the name of John Wagg Cooke, however the name does change over the years from Wagg to Wragg.. Mary Wragg married William Cooke in Norfolk. It is only a very small conection but I was happy to try to help someone !!!