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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: Trees on Thursday 30 August 07 22:57 BST (UK)
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Hi can anyone help please,
I have found on the 1851 and 1861 census Samuel and Elizabeth Tompson keeping a beer house called The Earth House in Hardingstone was this or is this still standing and was it really made of earth or a sort of wttle and daub?
Trees
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Hello Hazel
I see no one has replied so I thought I'd say that I was born and lived for 20 years in the next village to Hardingstone and never heard anything about this name, did it have a street name?
Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
I'm afraid not both have about the same information here is the 1851
HO107/1738 fo165 p10 ed: Hardingstone Hardingstone 2b
pt: Hardingstone, EccD: , cb: , t: , v:
sch:35 Beer House / Earth House
The family entry continues to p 11 where there are two entries for barges
(His brother is on p11 on one of the barges) address Coton End Grand Junnction Warf Yard
Hope this helps
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I should say I asked about it at the RO in Sept. and they didn't have any thing about it and to add to the confusion there is another Samuel Thompson in the area keeping first The Pheasant then The GLOBE ( might be the other way round) The two Samuels are unconnected--Had a good look in case.
If we can locate it the RO would be interested.
Trees
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Hi Hazel
I've just had a look to see where the emunorators area covered and it doesn't look as if it is actually the village of Hardingstone as it is now , more Delapre Abbey Nunn mills and Far Cotton and it also says the barges on the river. I don't know if you know this area but if not Far Cotton is now part of Northampton, Nunn Mills is really just Industrial. There are a few pubs in Far Cotton but I don't know how you would even start to work out where it might have been.
Sorry not been much help,
Wendy
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Thanks Wendy do you think the barges are on the river or the canal?
Hazel
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Hi hazel
Thinking of where Far Cotton and Delapre Abbey are I would have to say it is probably the river Nene. The canal is not far away but more inclined to think of the River. The Nene goes along the edge of Far Cotton so that's where I imagine they might have been.
Wendy
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Many thanks it looks like he started out as a boat man and then set up trading with other boatmen and probably supplied his contacts with beer and it wasnever anything like a pub, I'm still curious why Earth House I feel it must have been its construction. anyway many thanks
hazel
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I think that it might not be Earth House.
In 1851 it is a pointer to the location.
I think it says 'east of ?' seems to be horses, but that doesn't make sense.
May be 'houses'
Entries above on that page are similar, the first one is
Lock house on the side of the canal
next
tole gate on the turnpike
next
Lodge to farm in the field
next Farm house
The description of the enumation district (2b) says
Delapre Abbey, Nunn Mills, Cotton End, including the whole of the Lodges on the West (or East) side of the (scratchings out) town? of Hardingstone and the Barges on the river.
Marilyn
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Marilyn thats brilliant yes taking a new look it does indeed look like east of horses and I think that does make sense remember the barges were horse drawn I know the pub kept by another ancestor on the Oxford canal had stables for the barge horses so was this a similar scenario well done now all I need to ask the RO if they know where the barge horses were stabled in the area Great detection Marilyn
Hazel
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The parish of Hardingstone used to go right up to the river Nene before St Mary's church was built in Far Cotton and a separate parish created in 1875. Hardingstone remained the civil parish (for BMD and census purposes) until a civil parish of Far Cotton was created in 1895.
David
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Thank you for that David it all adds another piece to the jig saw we are gradually building,
Hazel