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Continuing on my quest to find the public houses kept by ancestors
Richard YOUNG was the Inn keeper of THE DOG School Rd Kidlington Does anyone know if it still exists? Has it changed its name?
Trees
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hi Trees, i have a friend who lives in kid, i used to live there. I'll text him to find out .
Dj
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Many thanks Dj I'm on a bit of a pub crawl ' ;D' Trying to trace all the places kept by the ancestors strange to find so many as none of the family would make present publicans rich.
Trees
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Hi No pub at Kiddington (shame!) but there is a pub which used to be the Dog (now the Dogwood, heaven help us) at Kidlington.
Cheers Maggott
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Many thanks Maggott that sounds like the one slip of the typing finger it should be Kidlington Is the Dogwood in School road? How old is it? Am i likely to find a photo anywhere do you think?
Trees
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Hi Dogwood is on the service road beside Oxford Road - the main drag through Kidlington. There are masses of pix of Kidlington -I haven't got a link, I'm afraid, but the Oxford Local History collection (Oxford Library, Bonn Square Oxford) has a good collection.
The Dog had an intermediate manifestation - as the Bassett- before becoming the Dogwood.
Cheers Maggott
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Oh dear thats a great name change Its nearly as bad as the Bell in Hampton Poyle having a verry (thank goodness) short time as "The Gone Fish Inn"
Many thanks for your help that clears another pub up for me
Trees
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my friend In Kidlington who has lived there for 50 years says that there has been A Dog pub for over 30 years opposite Gosford Hill school (oxford rd now)
Apparently he and i knew the back of it well ......... ::) i can't remember !!!!
i will look up an old map of kid. to check roads.
DJ
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Sorry just read maggots post,
yeah that sounds like the same one....i used to live on the oxford road /service road further up.
DJ
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have you seen that Richard was a Butcher - on the green in 1841
i have looked on an 1884 OS map and there is no mention of the Dog. There is Kings arms, Black Horse , Red Lion and a letter box ;)
in 1891 it's called THE DOG AND ANCHOR inn and very near to the Hill and The Green.
DJ
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Hello again :D
on the 1900 OS there is a PH marked by the school(but no name) >:( and it's further down from the road hence called SCHOOL LANE
Typical, all the other pubs are named
DJ
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Many thanks you have worked very hard for me thats all great information
trees
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Just to confirm everything I now have a complete set of census for him He died 1896 and in 1891 he is at the DOG and ANCHOR and the entry before is The Hill and the entry after is School Rd Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction
Trees
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yippeeee,
that's great....i went to a party down school road once ..
Debz
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Hi
I live in Kidlington and have gone through various booklets but can find very little about this pub. Here's what I found.
On the 1818 Enclosure Map it was described as The Dog Public House and Gardens - Ann Watts widow.
There was an Inn there since mediaeval times but the pub closed in 1934.
It was at the junction of Green Road and School Road.
I'm sure the building is still standing and is now a private residence. I'll have a wander and get back to you. I have access to Kidlington Parish Transcripts if you need anything looking up.
Regards
Maggie
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I had alook on arial microsoft live search and it looks as if there is a old building there now , but private res.
DJ
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From the Yellow Pages: Dogwood (ouch! but I remember them changing the name) 174 Oxford Road Kidlington Phone 01865 373340 (number published so I reckon they won't mind me repeating it here).
Why not give them a bell & ask if The Dog pub used to be located somewhere else
Maggott
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Many thanks Maggie and Maggott Both usefull additions I'm gradually sorting all the pubs out its surprising how many go through name changes Just back from a family history trwal in Northants and Warwick next stop must be Oxford.
Trees
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Hello Hazel,
Had great fun and hopefully found a lot out for you.
Kirtlington baptism
15 July 1807 Young Richard s Wm & Frances
Kidlington bapt (St Mary's)
19 July 1812 Watts Mary d James & Ann
Kidlington marriage
15 Dec 1834 Young Richard
Watts Mary. Lic.
Wit. Wm Watts Hannah Watts
Kidlington baptisms
2.6.1837 Young William s Richard & Mary labourer
22.6.1841 Young Richard s Richard & Mary butcher
29.10.1843 Young James s Richard & Mary butcher
28.11.1847 Young Mary Elizabeth d Richard & Mary publican
24.2.1850 Young Hannah d Richard & Mary butcher
17.4.1852 Young Joseph s Richard & Mary publican
13.1.1856 Young Fanny d Richard & Mary publican
Then checked 1841 census HO 107 890/3 sch 11 page 15
On the Green, Kidlington.
Richard Young 30 butcher y
Mary Young 28 y
William 4 y
Annie 2 y
n k 1 day old y
John Goodson 7 f (born foreign parts)
The next property on the census, still On the Green shows
Ann Watts 75 Public House y
Hannah Watts 30 y
Joseph White 28 carpenter y
Thomas Blease(?) 28 soldier n
Thomas Collier 20 soldier n
I couldn't find a baptism for Ann
Kidlington marriages
3.4.1862 Soden George Perkins bach blacksmith otp s James
blacksmith
Young Ann sp otp d Richard butcher
Wit. Thomas Wren Amelia Hanwell
18.4.1888 Newport Abram Taylor 31 widr carpenter otp
Young Fanny 32 sp otp d Richard publican
Wit. William Scott Alice Young
Kidlington bapt
22.2.1869 Young James George s James & Sarah Ann butcher
Died 27 Feb
Kidlington burials
6.12.1859 Young Mary Elizabeth 12
2.3.1869 Young James George infant
5.8.1878 Young Joseph 26
26.8.1895 Young Mary 83
5.3.1896 Young Richard 88
That seems to be all I can find in the transcripts. Let me know if you want anything else looked up or checked out. I've found the house but hadn't got my camera as we were just driving somewhere and saw it. I will get a photo for you, promise.
Best Wishes
Maggie
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Thank you so very much I've just got in after a wonderful concert with the BBC NOW and your post has added the icing to a great evening a photo would be perfect. So many people seem to have enjoyed helping me with my "pub crawl" Its been great to meet so many helpful chatters
Hazel
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Hi wow what a huge amount you found for me so much more than I had already BUT its opened a can of worms with the WATTS.
It certainly looks like James WATTS and Ann SIMS who marry 1810 in Kidlington are the parents of Mary(1812) wife of Richard YOUNG.
It also seems that Richard took over the Dog in 1847 on the death of Ann WATTS
BUT Hannah WATTS from the 1841 census looks like the one bapt 1805 to James and Ann nee DAVIS who married Kidlington 2 Sep 1787 they had 9 children bapt ( I'm getting this from Family Search) Now they haven't got a James and there is a gap between Thomas bapt 1788 and William Bapt 1794. So I'm guessing that the gap was filled with at least a James who then marries Ann SIMS I think Ann DAVIS' James is the on Bap to John and Elizabeth 18 Sep 1764 and he dies before 1818(from the enclosure map)
Please can you have a quick look to see if any other births appear in that 1788-1794 gap that could have been missed by the IGI transcribers and for a James WATTs burial 1808-1818?
Many thanks
Hazel
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Hi Hazel
Checked the baptisms between 1788-1794 but no other Watts appear in the transcription.
But to add a few more worms to your can I've found a baptism......
5.3.1815 Watts Mary d Thomas and Ann
Had a quick look but can only find 1 marriage for a Mary Watts (to Young) and no infant burials so not sure which one is yours!
Found Banns for 1787 & 1810 both for James Watts trying to find out more about them (or if they are one and the same?)
There are loads of entries for Watts. Do you want me to list them all for you? Might be easier to email?
Also the burial you were after
12.7.1814 Watts James aged 52
Regards
Maggie
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James WATTS m Ann DAVIS Sep 1787 I'm pretty sure it is his wid. on the Map and 1841 census she would have been b 1766 from the census and James was bap 1764 to John and Elizabeth Faulkner [who may well also link to my tree as a Mary Faulkner married Martin GILES (diresct line) in1765]
The James burial is his too although the date perfectly matches his older brother James who I assume died before 1764.
The other Banns must be for James and Ann SIMS parents of Mary They married 9 Sep 1810
Now as James and Ann DAVIS' last child is 1808 it is possible that there is only one James and both Ann Davis and Ann Sims must have been about the same age we have not got a birth /bapt for either Ann :( If this is the case Ann SIMS may have been a widow which is why I cant find a bapt for Ann SIMS.
Mary who married Richard is consistently 1812 on the censuses 1841-1891 and she was given as 83 in1895 (burial) so I feel confident that she is James and Ann Sims' Mary The Thomas married to Ann, who has the Mary 1815 would likely be Thomas 1788 son of James and Ann DAVIS either way Mary is related to Ann of the Dog the question being which Ann is this?
Could you look for a death of an Ann about 1808 that may point to a second marriage for James
Don't worry about the other WATTS for the moment I have 10 for James and Ann (Davis) 1 for James and Ann (Sims) 8 for William and Hannah? at least 7 Thomas and Ann there are two thomas and Ann families from 1826 with 16 children to share between them and 10for John and Elizabeth Faulkner
Wow some pub crawl this has turned into
Cheers
Hazel
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Kidlington Banns called Aug 19, 26 & Sept 2 1787 for James Watts & Anne Davis of Bletchingdon
Kidlington Banns called Aug 26 & Sept 2, 9 for James Watts & Ann Sims of Bicester
Bicester marriage 23.9.1810 of (wait for it!!!)
WATTS x THOMAS of Kiddington
Simms x Ann otp
Wit Charles x Spencer Maria Welford
So I don't think you are looking for another James, I think it's a mis-transcription of James/Thomas & Kiddington/Kidlington. So making him Thomas bapt 22.6.1788 eldest son of John & Ann
Kidlington burials
18.4.1847 Watts Ann 84 (no Anns buried before this)
6.8.1866 Watts Ann 78 Woodstock
16.7.1878 Watts Thomas 83
I agree with your logic of Mary d James & Ann plus her witnesses at the wedding would then be her brother William & sister Hannah.
The name Watts first appears in the Kidlington registers with the 1758 marriage of John to Elizabeth Faulkner
Kidlington bapt 8 March 1733/34 Faulkner Elizabeth d Henry
There are numerous Faulkners and variations on that name going back to 1610 in the records. I'll let you sort this lot out and see what you think.
Have fun!!
Maggie
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Blimey Maggie !! you deserve a gold star ;D
I used to live in Kidlington too ;) Left in 1969, went to Gosford School
Debz
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Gold Star :) and a halo Wow what a turn up for the books so that also clears up the children I had for that Thomas and a mystery Ann she was Ann Simms after all. Family search M038622 definately had James and Ann Sims and 9 Sep which as you found was one of the days the banns were called it just shows you can't rely on IGI even where it appears to be a register transcript not the first mistake we've found unfortunately.One RO refused to check an entry for me as the registers have been well covered by the IGI when we got to the Office and saw for ourselves there were blatant ommisions!
i dont know how to thank you enough for this
hazel
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Oh Dear I've just found another one!!!
Elizabeth ELLARD widow of Thomas ELLARD was Inn Keeper of The Three Horse Shoes Banbury Rd Kidlington in 1881 any ideas about this one?
Trees
Getting boozier by the minute!
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in 1881 i have found your Eliz and thomas 42 years old as canal lab.
Is this the wrong couple...?
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I've just read yr post. if it was the banbury rd it must be the other side of Kidlington to Oxford so ...i'll be back !
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I thought for a minute that he may have worked by the canal at the bridge outside Kidlington on the way to Banbury
there was a railway there and a hotel but i can't see a pub.......it's further out that i thought.....
Found it :D, it is near Thrupp, outside Kidlington . opposite the turning to Thrupp off the A4260 now.
Hmm i am confused coz i cannot find him as an innkeeper on the 1881 census.. would love to find out
Thanks Trees
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Hi Sorry I'm so drunk just thinking of these pubs she is the inn keeper in 1891 RG12/1173 fo 74 p18
Sorry
Trees
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yes she is the canal labs wife in 1881
trees
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Thanks for that,...was that info of any help or did you want a different sort ?
Dj
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Thrupp sounds good as Thomas was originally from Hampton Poyle His aunt kept the Bell HP and his Grandfather before her so that fits rather nicely many thanks. Do you know if its still there ?
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Hi Trees, i think the pub may still be there ....it's called the Jolly Boatman..it's in the same location
Dj
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i'll see you there for a pint one day !!! ;D
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Hi Trees, i called the pub and it is not the original 3 horse shoes.... :( the pub which your ancestors owned is now a private res on the corner of the road.
Dj
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oops I fell in love with their websit and sent an email to see if they could tell me any of its history think we'd better make it diner ;D ;D
Trees
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Oh what a shame it's not the right pub but you could go see the house at least And then have a drink and meal !
debz
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I also live in Kidlington, around 200 yards form the original "Dog" public house, which stood on the corner of School Road and Green Road (previously Dog Lane), which is nowhere near the site of the current pub which has variously been called The Dog, The Squire Bassett and now the Dogwood.
The original pub closed in 1934, and the private residence is called " The Old Dog House".
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Hi Clemo,
Maggie jo has sent me some photographs and loads of information about The Dog in School Rd which is exactly as you say. Do you know the old Three Horseshoes which is described as a large stone house on the corner of Banbury Rd and the turning to Thrupp? If so can you possibly take a photo of it to use to illustrate my entry for Thomas and Elizabeth ELLARD
Trees
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Hi Trees,
I have a book by the Kidlington historical society which has a full page on The three Horseshoes together with an old photograph.
Part of the text reads "....They stayed until 1889 when the next landlord was Thomas Ellard with his wife Frances. Unfortunately Thomas died soon afterwards in 1890 at the age of 52. His wife carried on the business until 1894 when she gave up the tenancy and moved into Kidlington where she died in Mill Street aged 73 in 1931."...
The pub closed in 1922 and "the house remained empty for a long period and became very delapidated. It was restored in the mid 1970's into the very desirable residence it is today"
Hope this of some use to you.
Get back in touch if you need any further help.
Cheers
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Hi Clemo, Mggie jo has shown me that page in the booklet unfortunately it is totally wrong , I have contacted the History Soc about it Thomas was married to Elizabeth Symons in 1858 they are on the 1871 and 1881 censuses together she born Culworth Northampton and he Hampton Poyle Oxf He died as the book says 1890 and she Elizabeth ELLARD is as inn keeper of the Three Horse shoes in 1891 she died 1895 not like the book
Now Thomas had a cousin David ELLARD who was married to Frances Elizabeth Young GILES born 1858 I think this is the one who dies 1931 in Kidlington as per the book, her parents had kept the Bell Hampton Poyle (Third generation of GILEs keeping it) Her father was one of three butcher publicans sons of William YOUNG of The Three Pigeons a pub on the Canal outside Kirtlington. I think she probably helped Elizabeth at the time of Thomas' death but she is with David 1891 in HP and in Bladon 1901 David died in 1918 aged 70 Woodstock 3a 1035.
Trees
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I hardly know how to admit to this but I now have to add The Anchor (now known as The Wise Alderman) to the list of ancestral pubs
How near to the Three Horse Shoes is or was This one? This apparently was kept by Richard Young's parents in law and grand parents in law Richard you will recall kept the Dog for about 50 years
Trees
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Trees whenever i see a post from you i expect to see the name of a pub :) :)
Just reading your post has put a big smile on my face, you have such a lot of family in the trade.
Have you ever thought of looking into pubs instead of names of family. Who knows what you might find ;D ;D
Sue
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Hic Cheers
Trees
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Hi Trees,
The Wise Alderman is on the same road as the Three Horeshoes, but around a quarter of a mile further South, at the Northern extremity of Kidlington, adjacent to where the canal & railway line pass under the roadbridge carrying the road towards Banbury.
Give me a shout if you need anymore info on the pub.
Cheers
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Many thanks Clemo. This is strange the Three Horseshoes was kept by one line and the Anchor by another must check the dates to see who was where when
I was in Oxford Friday and saw the entry in a book by the Kidlington and District historical Society .
Do you remember the Dog in School Rd changed its name at one time to the Dog and Anchor? Well the Dog was kept by the son in law of this one who kept the Anchor so my guess is that the anchor that stood outside during his tenancy was inherited by the son in law and put outside the Dog so the name went into common use. Do you think that could be how it happened?
Trees
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Sounds perfectly feasible to me.
The Wise used to be my local watering hole when I first moved to Kidlington in 1991.
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From the photographs I saw it looks bigger than either the Dog or The Horse shoes would you say that is so? Was it actually on the canal so would the Anchor be from a canal boat. Don't think I've ever seen such a thing, unless they used something like an anchor to moor to the canal bank.
Trees
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I expect you know alderman Wise once worked in the signal box near the pub which at that time was called The railway hotel
Trees
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From the Kidlington book I have, ( although it was not correct with your other pub if you remember) it says the pub was built in the early 1700's before either the canal or the railway, although it aquired the name of the Anchor Beerhouse around the time the canal was built approx 1790.
What was the surname you are interested in as there is a full history in the book?
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Thats interesting wonder if it was always The Anchor. The name there is WATTS First John WATTS and Elizabeth nee FAULKNER then their son James and Ann nee DAVIS then after he died Ann moved to The DOG and after her Mary daughter and son in law Richard YOUNG kept The Dog for 50 add years. James died in1814 Ann died 1847 Richard was buried 5 Mar 1896 and Mary 26 Aug 1895 I think Richard was the publican to the end looks like he never recovered after Mary's death they had been married 61 years . It will be interesting to see if the book is accurate on these two. I never had a reply from the History Society after pointing the mistake out. Have since seen the wording on David and Francis's tomb in the MI book the same Society has prepared so they had no excuse for such a big mistake.
Trees
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The Kidlington book quotes:-
" The earliest record of public houses in Oxford is in a volume called the Victuallers Recognizances Record Book dated 1753. Although no house names are given, the name of Mrs Anstiss Faulkner is given as one of the landlords. Other records show that Anstiss married Henry Faulkner in the 1720's and they had 8 children, 5 of whom died in infancy. Henry died in 1733 and his wife and his wife Anstiss continued to run the Inn until she died in 1759.
In 1758 her youngest daughter, Elizabeth , married John Watts and they had 9 children, 6 boys and 3 girls. When Anstiss died the public house passed to John.
John Watts was landlord for 25 years. When he died in 1784, Elizabeth carried on for a further 9 years. On her death in 1793. one of her sons, James Watts took over the licence and continued until he died in 1814 aged 52 years."
The name changed from the Anchor in 1855 after the Railway station opened, when it became The Railway Hotel, the finally THe Wise Alderman in 1967.
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Wow Clemo I had Henry and Anstis as Elisabeth's parents and her marriage to John WATTS but no idea that they were publicans so that makes a lot of sense. Can you give me the title author and date of the book so I can reference the occupation from it please I haven't got their marriage details( got them from the Baptisms of their children but I have 9 children not 8 will get Tuan Iban to check that for me he has a copy of Kidlington PRs I also have 10 children for John and Elizabeth WATTS not 9 Ah well I think its basically correct at least every one is married to the right partner ;D
Many Many thanks your help is much appreciated. Now I need a copyrite free photograph of The Wise to add a bit of interest to the page
Trees
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THe book is called "A History of Banbury Road, Kidlington" published by the Kidlington & District Historical Society in 1991. The author is John Amor.
I am more than willing to take some photos of the pub as it is now for you.
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There is no hurry for the photo but that would put the icing on the cake. I really am enjoying this pub crawl.
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Oh Dear I've just found another one!!!
Elizabeth ELLARD widow of Thomas ELLARD was Inn Keeper of The Three Horse Shoes Banbury Rd Kidlington in 1881 any ideas about this one?
Trees
Getting boozier by the minute!
Hi 'Trees'
Thought you might like to know I have some interest in the 3 Horse Shoes, Thrupp too.
There was William and Ann Hambridge, who are in a photo you may have seen of the Inn in the Kidlington books quoted here.
They were the previous landlords to the Ellards I think, and were there afterwards too, until it closed following Williams death.
I think you are wrong about the 1881 census, as Ann Hambridge is shown as Inn Keepers wife, Three Horse Shoes, Thrupp. William was on his boat.
I also happen to know the current owner of the property! He's aware of it's history and has a copy of the William and Ann Hambridge picture
Cheers
Neil
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Hi Nell,
Sorry must have been my typing I was so surprised to find yet another pub I'm well over 40! now not bad for a TT family ;D of course you are right Elizabeth is Inn Keeper in 1891;D I've got 1891 on all my records. Have you seen what I have written on our site look under occupations- publicans oxford publicans I'd love to know any more of the pubs history if you would share Please contact me through the site :)
Trees
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Hi Nell,
Sorry must have been my typing I was so surprised to find yet another pub I'm well over 40! now not bad for a TT family ;D of course you are right Elizabeth is Inn Keeper in 1891;D I've got 1891 on all my records. Have you seen what I have written on our site look under occupations- publicans oxford publicans I'd love to know any more of the pubs history if you would share Please contact me through the site :)
Trees
I'll take a look, I presume you mean the link in your signature - just tried it and it's not loading.
Forgot to say, I came here and stumbled across your post, whilst looking for reference to the Britannia which is now the Jolly Boatman, just up the road towards Kidlington.
Would anyone know when it changed names, or any history of it? I was contacted by someone who's family ran it.
I made mention of it whilst posting elsewhere about the Three Horse Shoes, as they were both on an old map of Thrupp I have seen at www.old-maps.co.uk (http://www.old-maps.co.uk)
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Strange I just checked and it seemed OK click on my name that takes you to my profile there you see web site and in blue My Ancestors Click on the blue words Once on the site you need Occupations-publicans-Oxford publicans and hopefully you should find the three Horseshoes -enjoy brosing I've got several pubs in the area that were kept by the ancestors at one time or another.
The Kidlington history Society Book has the information about my Ellards all wrong though I have tried to tell them but they have not acknowledged my e mail such a shame I would have thought they would have liked to have the correct information as it is they have married James to his cousin's wife ;D
Trees
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Hi all
Sorry to revive an old thread but I have some more info you may be interested in.
The Wise Alderman has just undergone a name change and is now The Highwayman Hotel.
The (new) 'The Dog' which is now 'The Dogwood' - is named after the housing estate behind it - although the estate (Dogwood Green) was not built until the late 60's.
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Hi ezsat welcome to rootschat.
I think the Dog wood is a different pub. My Dog is now a private house still called the Dog it was originally the Jesus House (it was originally a house set up by monks to give rest and refreshment to pilgrims) and at one time then the Dog and duck then the Dog and The dog and anchor. My ancestors kept the Anchor down by the river before the dog and I think they took the anchor with them this didn't catch on and it soon reverted to the dog. A second pub was opened and called the Dog then the Squire Bassett but this was on the oxford Road and much bigger.
Its interesting that the Wise Alderman has been renamed though. It was named in honour of Alderman Frank Wise who had been a signal man near the pub however before being the Wise it had been The railway and before that the Anchor then kept by my ancestor Anstis Faulkner and passed to her son in law John Watts it was James's son john who moved from the Anchor to the Dog in School Rd.
Trees
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The Dogwood - was The Dog in Oxford Road which opened in 1936 - not the original in School Road
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Ah that makes sense how long has the Wise been the Highwayman? Do you live in Kidlington? I need a good photograph of the Anchor/Railway/ Wise/Highwayman for my web site :)
www.mcmullin.plus.com
We did try to get one last year but found it hard to park the motor caravan on the road there, anyway its a good excuse to return its a lovely area.
Trees
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I live in a village next to Kidlington - I'll try and get photo for you.
The name change was earlier this month I believe - the new signs were not up recently (maybe not up yet).
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I'll be very grateful to have a photograph please don't go out of your way though. It seems a pity to change the name apparently Frank Wise worked in the signal box by the pub for years and was a much respected Alderman. My ancestors I think had an anchor which they had near the door thus giving it the first name and this they took to the "old"dog which gave rise to the name Dog and Anchorfor a short time
I find these old public houses all have a story to tell don't they.
Have a look at my publicans on my site and see if you recognise any others
Trees
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Dear Trees
I've been looking at the earlier postings on this subject and I cannot understand how you ever got the idea that Mary WATTS was the daughter of a James WATTS and Ann SIMMS. She was the daughter of James WATTS & Anne DAVIS. I hold the full transcripts of all the Oxfordshire PRs and the Oxfordshire Marriage Index and can assure you that no marriage ever took place anywhere in Oxfordshire between a James WATTS & an Ann SIMMS before 1837, let alone in 1810. The marriage which is confusing you is the marriage of Thomas WATTS , to Ann SIMMS of Bicester which took place on 23 September 1810, at Bicester, St. Edburg. This couple baptised eleven children at Kidlington between 1811 and 1831, including a Mary who was baptized in 1815, but who was not the wife of Richard YOUNG.
Kind regards
Keith
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Hi Keith, If you look at my web site you will see I have the following so I am confused by your remarks.(I can only conclude that somewhere along the line of this thread things were confused but as soon as we were able to visit the RO we were able to work out the tree now seen on our web site.)
I have 2 Mary WATTS
(from the Kidlington PR as seen in Oxford RO baptisms.
1812 Jul 19 WATTS Mary d James / Ann
1815 Mar 5 WATTS Mary d Thomas/Ann lab John Cole Minister
James did indeed marry Ann Davies 2 Sep 1789
and their son Thomas married in Bicester
23.9.1810
WATTS x THOMAS of Kiddington
Simms x Ann otp
Wit Charles x Spencer Maria Welford
MARY M Richard Young 15 DEC 1834 kIDLINGTON (FROM pr)
1834 Dec 15 YOUNG Richard WATTS Mary Licence
by H D HARRINGTON Min Wits: Wm WATTS & Hannah WATTS
William and Hannahwere the 3rd and8th children of James and Ann Mary being the youngest of their10 known children
I have not followed Mary d of Thomas and Ann Simms if you have I would love to hear from you
Trees
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Ah that makes sense how long has the Wise been the Highwayman? Do you live in Kidlington? I need a good photograph of the Anchor/Railway/ Wise/Highwayman for my web site :)
www.mcmullin.plus.com
We did try to get one last year but found it hard to park the motor caravan on the road there, anyway its a good excuse to return its a lovely area.
Trees
Well, there's a thing - my brother in law now runs The Highwayman! If you want photos there are some on the pub website: http://www.thehighwaymanhotel.co.uk and I'm sure he'd like to chat about the pub history if you called in.
Did you know that the pub has a CL, so you could stay overnight in your motorcaravan.
Yet another pub coincidence is that my brother in law's grandfather ran the Railway House Hotel (now The Cherry Tree) in Steventon (Berkshire)
AndyC
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Hi Andy,
That is most interesting I'd love to chat with your brother in law but even with so many pub ancestors we are a TT family! I know nobody believes it, when they know how many houses we link to ;D It is amazing how intertwined the publican families were and how helpful the rival publicans were to each other when you look through the Victuallers Recognizance Record Book you can see how often they stood surrety one for the other.
The CL could prove useful and the menue isn't bad either. Are they planing on putting electric on to the site? I like a bit of home comforts for winter camping :D
OzSat has kindly taken some photographs for us which has solved that problem nicely. Um I dont remember if we have loaded the last update I'll check asp
Trees
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Well Nick has been known to serve the of cup of tea - as well as beer :) They serve a good all day breakfast too!
I'm pretty sure that electric hook up is available.
AndyC