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Henry William RIPLEY was born at No. 9, York Terrace, Regent’s Park in London on 28 April 1827. He was a tea broker and Director of the General Assurance Company. He lived for most of his adult life at No. 1, King’s Road, Clapham Park in Surrey. He died there on 3 August 1905.
He was married on 3 June 1856 to Julia Henrietta WILLIAMS. They had issue ten children, including:
Edgar Hue RIPLEY, born in Clapham in 1864.
Edgar died, aged 29 years, in Liverpool, “the day after his arrival from South America”, on 23 February 1894.
Now things get murky.
It seems young Edgar was married to Bella Maud DAVIES - BUT I CANT PROVE IT WITH CERTAINTY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE OR WHEN.
Bella was born in Birmingham in 1868. After Edgar's death she married [2] William Sydney Bartlett. When the national census was taken at the end of March 1901, she was living at No. 65, Cecile Road, Hornsey in Middlesex with her second husband, three children and a domestic servant.
It seems - but proof is maddeningly incomplete - that Edgar Ripley and Bella Davies had a son, Edgar William Frederick RIPLEY, who was born in Chile, South America in 1894 (possibly posthumously.)
Can anyone help, please ?
William
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If Edgar and Bella were the parents of Edgar (born 1894 Chile?)... Edgar, Sr. was dead (1894) and Bella living with 2nd husband and 3 children in 1901 census... where was young Edgar (born 1894 Chile?)?
Could Edgar and Bella have married in Chile? Have you checked passengers leaving U.K. on www.findmypast.com? Where was Bella born? Could the marriage have taken place there?
Before posting this I had a look at findmypast and found 3 entries which look to be young Edgar:
-Edgar Ripley age 30 in 1921 Southampton to Pernambuco, Brazil
-William Ripley age 31 in 1922 Southampton to Santos, Brazil
-EWF Ripley 1929 Southampton to Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
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1901 census- Edgar W.F. Ripley age 6 born Chili SA (British subject) also in Horsey, Middlesex. Listed as son?
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Hopefully, if young Edgar W F was a british subject, his birth will appear in the overseas birth index, ansd youcan send for his birth cert. ALso might be able to find parents marriage.
Think they are online at findmypast.
If not index books can be viewed in person at FRC Islington
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Many thanks to you both for the suggestions!
I had noted EWF Ripley's trips to South America but I hadn't looked further yet, because they might not at this stage solve his murky descent. Must get to them.
I will try the foreign births online (I've got to the age where I do the same research twice sometimes. I don't THINK I've checked these before !!) ??? ;D
If something happens on that front I will report back.
index books can be viewed in person at FRC Islington
Not by me. I live in Cape Town, South Africa.
Cheers!
William
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p.s. I have been to the findmypast website and cannot find him in the GRO CONSULAR BIRTH INDICES (1849 to 1965).
But he was definitely born in Chile.
Strangely enough his mother returned to Chile some years later and died there during the First World War. There was obviously an ongoing family relationship with the country.
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Wonder if there's any connection to this company?:
www.cybercenter.cl/ripley/ingles/n_nego/ch_retail.html
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I will follow it up and report back.
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The Investor Relations officer at Ripley told me that the company was founded by the Calderon family in 1956, and referred me to their website.
I was able to find out that Ripley is a large group of department stores in Chile belonging to the Calderon family. The company was founded in 1956 as a men's clothing store, under the name Royal. In 1964, the first Ripley store was inaugurated, with a wider assortment of homeproducts.
The most likely place to find the answer to my query seems to be the will of Henry William RIPLEY who died at No. 1, King’s Road, Clapham Park in Surrey on 3 August 1905.
Any takers ? :-[ :o ;D ;D
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http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm - you can ask for a search, it costs £5, including a copy of the will if one exists.
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Thanks for the tip - appreciated ...
But if the website is to be believed I'm still stuck :
Registry officials will make a search on your behalf. There is a charge for this but if a grant is traced, the search fee includes the provision of a copy of the grant and [if any], the Will. You must write to the Postal Searches and Copies Department at York (The Postal Searches & Copies Dept, York Probate Sub-Registry, 1st Floor, Castle Chambers, Clifford Street, York, YO1 9RG) giving the full name, address and date of death of the deceased, stating what you require and enclosing the appropriate fee.
That doesn't work well from South Africa!!
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Just to bring the story up to date ...
Edgar Hue RIPLEY was born in Clapham in 1864. He was employed as a cable operator in Chorrillos in Chile when his son was christened in 1891. He died, aged 29 years, in Liverpool, “the day after his arrival from South America”, on 23 February 1894. He was married [where/when?] to Bella Maud DAVIES (she was born in Birmingham in Warwickshire in 1868. She was married [2] in Chile on 9 June 1895 to William Sydney Bartlett. When the national census of England was taken at the end of March 1901, she was living at No. 65, Cecile Road, Hornsey in Middlesex with her second husband, three children and a domestic servant.)
Edgar Hue and Bella had a son:
Edgar William Frederick RIPLEY, born in Chile, South America on 14 April 1890 and christened on 29 July 1891 ... see Revista del Instituto peruano de investigaciones genealógicas.
William
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In 1927 Edgar W F RIPLEY applied for his British and Victory war medals. His rank is show as Lieut. with Corps shown as D L Infty and ACC. No Regimental Number is shown. His address in 1927 is shown as 96, Leeside Crescent, Golders Green.
Hope this is of some help
Robert
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Hello there. My name is Susan Ripley - father was Ian Donald Ripley who's father was Edgar William Frederick Ripley who according to our history was born in Lima Peru, on 14th April 1890 and was raised in Santiago by two maiden aunts as mother had died (??) and father - well not sure. Our family were tea brokers. My aunt Gillian gave me this information as she had obtained it from her father (Edgar William Frederick Ripley). My grandmother was called Alice Maud Beavon. EWF's father was Edgar Hue Ripley who worked over in South America on the Panama Canal hence why EWF was born there. He was married to Julia Henrietta. This is one and the same family - so who are you??? Please reply as I am now intrigued that you are part of our family!! Susan.
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Thanks, Robert.
Susan I have replied to you by Private Message.
William
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Hi William! Thanks for the reply. I would be glad to be of help - not sure if my facts are correct but i can tell you what I know. Its fascinating that you should be interested in this - so heres some info: EWF joined the army in 1914 and served as an officer in the cavalry. He was also in the army in WW2, serving as an officer in the Royal Sussex Regiment who had headquarters at Preston Barracks in Brighton. He did indeed live in Golders Green after he married my grandmother in 1925 and produced my father in 1926. He returned to South America for a while but not sure for how long. They moved down to Ferrring sometime around 1931/32 ish. I cant be certain that all this is 100% accurate but it is as much as i know. I want to be able to give you my e-mail address so you can contact me directly if you want. How do i do this? Regards, Susan
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Susan please check your Private Messages - I will let you have my email address there - and then we can correspond privately off-forum.
Cheers
William
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Susan please check your Private Messages - I will let you have my email address there - and then we can correspond privately off-forum.
Cheers
William
New members generally need at least three posts to use PM (personal message) system.
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Sorted !!
Thanks :)
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Henry William RIPLEY was born at No. 9, York Terrace, Regent’s Park in London on 28 April 1827. He was a tea broker and Director of the General Assurance Company. He lived for most of his adult life at No. 1, King’s Road, Clapham Park in Surrey. He died there on 3 August 1905.
He was married on 3 June 1856 to Julia Henrietta WILLIAMS. They had issue ten children, including:
Edgar Hue RIPLEY, born in Clapham in 1864.
Edgar died, aged 29 years, in Liverpool, “the day after his arrival from South America”, on 23 February 1894.
Now things get murky.
It seems young Edgar was married to Bella Maud DAVIES - BUT I CANT PROVE IT WITH CERTAINTY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE OR WHEN.
Bella was born in Birmingham in 1868. After Edgar's death she married [2] William Sydney Bartlett. When the national census was taken at the end of March 1901, she was living at No. 65, Cecile Road, Hornsey in Middlesex with her second husband, three children and a domestic servant.
It seems - but proof is maddeningly incomplete - that Edgar Ripley and Bella Davies had a son, Edgar William Frederick RIPLEY, who was born in Chile, South America in 1894 (possibly posthumously.)
Can anyone help, please ?
William
Hopefully, if young Edgar W F was a british subject, his birth will appear in the overseas birth index, ansd youcan send for his birth cert. ALso might be able to find parents marriage.
Think they are online at findmypast.
If not index books can be viewed in person at FRC Islington
Hi William, I don't know if my story has any link with yours but anyway here we go: my grand mother's (Clara de la Barra Ripley) grandfather was Mr. Santiago Ripley, a UK or US sailor that arrived to Concepcion bay in Chile probably around 1850. Unfortunately I don't have further information. By the way, the huge retail store "Ripley" run by Calderon family has nothing to do with any Rilpley family. As far as I know, Mr. Santiago Ripley family is unique in Chile and I haven't been able to find any relative bearing this family name in this country. Currently I'm still leaving in Chile. Best regards, Gonzalo E. Mardones
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Hi Gonzalo
Seems they are unrelated. Sorry. I now know that:
Edgar William Frederick Ripley was the son of Edgar Hue Ripley and Bella Maud Davies. He was born on 14 April 1890 and baptised on 29 July 1891.
At the time of his son’s baptism, Edgar Hue Ripley was employed as a cable operator at Chorrillos. By 1894, however, he had moved to Santa Elena on the coast of south western Ecuador.
Thanks for getting back to me, and good luck with your research :)
William