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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: larkspur on Monday 27 August 07 15:09 BST (UK)
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Hi my gt grandma was Ruth Corns of Wombourne b 1877.I have a very good tree on this lady and am wondering if there is anyone else of this line out there. I dont know much about her siblings. Ernest Harry b 1873. Selina A b 1874 Edith b 1876. Mary b 1879. Harriet b 1881 William 1883 and Joseph b 1885.
The parents were Joseph Corns 1847-1886 and Harriet Vale 1853-1895 born Lichfield. Ruth married 5 April 1898 in Wolverhampton registry William Thomas Spicer who was born 1875 Lower Penn Staffs.
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Iam realy interested to discover what became of Mary b 1879. Selina A b 1874 and Harriet b 1881. My mother always thought Harriet had become a school teacher and had done rather well for herself!!
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I have a bunch of CORN(E)S from Wombourne but they are much earlier.
The latest is Hannah CORNES (8 Jun 1765, d. of Samuel CORNES & Elizabeth BRUCE), with ancestors traceable for 4 generations.
--- Tony
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a Selina Annie Corns married Q3 1895 in Dudley 6c 157
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looks like her husband was William Jones (genealogical nightmare ) the other man on the page was Issac Bunn, there do not appear to be any Bunn/Corns children marriages (after 1911 when mothers maiden names were given) but plenty of Jones/ Corns children and all around Dudley. (i can give you the details if you would like)
the other lady on the page was Lizzie Parker, i cannot find children with the combinaton of Parker/Bunn either.
oh just spotted a Jones/Parker child in 1911 :-\
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Hi I checked out this lady some time ago she does not match mine thankyou anyway. Any help always welcome
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Hi Tony I have a Samuel in my tree he was born 1725 and the son of John Corns b 1702 and wife Rachel. I have no wife or family for him though. But I have as parents for John Richard Corns and wife Ann Cartwright they are my earliest Corns.
The latest is Hannah CORNES (8 Jun 1765, d. of Samuel CORNES & Elizabeth BRUCE), with ancestors traceable for 4 generations.
--- Tony
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i looked for a birth for Selina Corns and there were only 3 (1866-1920) in the entire BMD index.
here they are:~
Q2 1877 Selina CORNS Sunderland 10a 639
Q1 1880 do. Wolstanton 6b 111
Q1 1874 Selina Annie CORNS Wolverhampton6b 539
as yours is listed as Selina A, and being born in 1874 i think that the marriage and the third birth listed above are very likely to be yours.
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Yes the birth of Selina Annie is mine. But I searched through the 1901 census and there is no Selina Jones,I suppose she could be using another name as you say though the Jones is a nightmare over 3000 to look through. i looked at all the Selinas again too too many . I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy the marriage cert to check it out. Too many positive certs to send for though at the moment...I did also wade through all the bunns. There is a male surname missing off the marriage page though. Bet your bottom dollar its Selina hubbys.
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Hi, On West Midlands BMD selina married William Jones at Dudley Register Office
Donna
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here are those Jones/Corns children from Dudley i mentioned earlier (1911-1920)
Q2 1912 Harry Dudley 6c 175
Q3 1916 Polly Dudley 6c 1726
Q1 1915 Reuben G Dudley 6c 1657
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Hi,
I've found a possible for your Selina Annie and William om the 1901 census. Selina is using her middle name (which wasn't unusual) and her age is slightly out - but think she was trying to look older than she was due to hubby's age :o
6 Stourbridge Road, Dudley
William Jones, 64yrs House Painter born Cheltenham
Annie Jones, 29yrs born Wombourne, Staffs
George Jones, 10yrs (was he from a previous marriage of Williams?)
Elsie Jones, 2yrs
Let me know what you think
Helen x
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William seemed to like his ladies young. I've found him on the 1891 census with wife Eliza. He is 54 and she is 37!
Hope I'm on the right track here
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Larkspur wrote:
> Hi Tony I have a Samuel in my tree he was born 1725
> and the son of John Corns b 1702 and wife Rachel.
> I have no wife or family for him though. But I have as
> parents for John Richard Corns and wife Ann Cartwright
> they are my earliest Corns.
That's the one . . . married Elizabeth BRUCE, 27 Apr 1751, Wombourne
Below are the relevant BRUCE's from Wombourn (and one next door in Albrighton):
Samuel Corns = Elizabeth Bruce, 27 Apr 1751, Wombourn
- Benjamin Cornes, 14 Mar 1751
- Jane Cornes, 20 Apr 1754
- Henry Corns, 30 Oct 1756
- Mary Cornes, 2 Aug 1760
* Hannah Corns, 8 Jun 1765
- Sarah Cornes, 18 Oct 1769
- Samuel Cornes, 26 Nov 1774
John Corns = Rachel
* Samuel Corns, b. 27 Nov 1725, c. 5 Dec 1725
- John Corns, 22 Apr 1728, bur. 14 Nov 1806
- Benjamin Corns, 26 May 1733
- Richard Corns, 21 Feb 1735
- William Corns, 23 Sep 1738
- Daniel Corns, 19 Apr 1741
Richard Corns = Ann Cartwright, 1 Dec 1700, Wombourne
- Mary & Hannah Corns, b. 17 May 1701, c. 17 May 1701, bur. 19 May 1701
* John Corns, b. 1 Jun 1702, c. 6 Jun 1702
- Katherine Corns, b. 21 Feb 1704, c. 3 Mar 1704
- Ann Corns, c. 16 Jan 1707, c. 16 Jan 1707
- Mary Cornes, b. 28 Oct 1710, c. 1 Nov 1710
- Sarah Corns, 31 May 1713
- Hannah Corns, 27 Jan 1716
- Jane Corns, b. 18 Sep 1720, c. 18 Sep 1720, bur. 2 Oct 1720
- Jane & Esther Corns, b. 10 Jun 1722, c. 11 Jun 1722. Esther bur. 12 Jun 1722
Richard Cornes = Thomasin
- Elizabeth, 30 Nov 1669, d. of Richard Cornes & Thomasin bap.
- Thomas, 28 Apr 1672, s. Richard Cornes & Thomasin bap.
* Richard, 25 Oct 1674, Albrighton near Wolverhampton
- John, 21 Jan 1676, s. of Richard Cornes & Thomasin bap.
- Marie, 29 Jan 1679, d. of Richard Cornes & Timasin bap.
- Matthias, 24 Feb 1682
- Willm, 4 Jul 1686
There are two possibilites for Richard:
- Richard CORNES, c. 1637, Stoke on Trent
- Richard CORNES, c. 12 Jun 1645, Ludlow
This lot are all from the IGI, so some serious checking is needed, but I haven't made it to the Staffs Record Office yet
--- Tony Jebson
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wow wow wow all this info since I logged on yesterday many many thanks all.Funny how things work out. My Ruth Corns moved with her husband to Newark Notts for work and 60 years later my husband and I moved to Albrighton also for work.....back "home" now though.
Yes Helen, William was a bit of a dirty old man all these young girls, maybe he was very dishy or well off!! Many thanks for finding them I think it becomes a case of not being able to see the wood for the trees after so long.
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Hi Larkspur - found you at last. Now all I need to do is read up on our relatives!
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Hi, I'm Larkspur's cousin.
The Samuel Corns who married Elizabeth Bruce had a daughter, Jane, b1754. She married Edward Cartwright (who was probably a cousin) and had a daughter, Jane, b1779. This Jane married William Stevens, and their daughter Elinor married Henry Corns (1801 - 1876). Their son Joseph is my and Larkspur's 2xgt grandpa.
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Hello, any of you Corns/Cornes researchers still about? My ancestor is Elizabeth Cornes ch.28 July 1753 Penn who married Joseph Higgs in 1774 and moved to Trysull
I think she is daughter of John Corns 1728 Wombourne and Mary?, so grand daughter of John Corns and Rachel. My tree is on tribal pages, let me know if anyone wants to share info thanks.
Elizabeth siblings as follows -
John Cornes 1755
Thomas Cornes 1755
Ann Cornes 1758
Rachel Cornes 1760
Mary Cornes 1762
Richard Cornes 1764
Joseph Cornes 1766
Esther Cornes 1768
Hannah Cornes 1770 all christened Penn, Staffs.
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Hi, I do have John Corns baptised 22 April 1728 in Wombourne in my tree. He is my 6th great uncle. I have no marriage or children for him though. I see in my notes some online trees have him married to Mary Bantoft, although as this marriage took place in Westminster and the grooms name was John Corrance of Martlesham Suffolk I remain unconvinced, for the moment :) There seems to be a large Corrance family in Suffolk.
I am not sure this is of any help to you.
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Thanks for your reply, I agree with you that I don't think John ch.1728 in Wombourne would suddenly become John Corrance of Suffolk, marrying in Westminster.
I'm working on the basis that my John, 5 x great grandfather, who married Mary (I can't find this marriage) and their children christened in Penn which is a couple of miles from Wombourne. Also the names of the children follow names from earlier generations eg Rachel, after John's mother? Plus Ann, Richard, Esther, Hannah all being names from that line before.