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Looking for info on Marguerite Madeline Cheverton b. 1895 in Greenwich. Married Francis Patch in 1919. Thanks, Ferret1
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Marriage certificate:
Marguerite M Cheverton m. Leslie F. L. Patch or Leslie F. Lloyd-Patch (both varients are given on the index), 1919 September quarter, Bradfield district, volume 2c page 1082. They cut it close: Elizabeth M. Patch mmn Cheverton was born Dec quarter 1919.
Birth certificate:
Marguerite Madeline Cheverton, Dec 1895 quarter, Greenwich district, volume 1d page 1030.
I think she may be living in Acton in 1901 (marriage or birth certificate to confirm parents).
Bernard A. Cheverton, 31, solicitor b. Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Cecile M, 29, b. Sydenham Lon.
Margaret M, 5, b. St. John Kent.
Sidney B, 0, b. Acton Middlesex
freebmd also shows a possible marriage for these parents:
Bernard Alabone Cheverton and Cecile Marguerite Mollard, Jun 1894 quarter, Greenwich district, volume 1d page 1331.
Also on freebmd - Bernard A. Cheverton, died aged 49, Dec 1918 quarter, Wycombe district, vol 3a page 1898. And something else interesting - the only entry for a Bernard Cheverton other than Marguerite's father Bernard's birth, marriage, and death, is the birth of what appears to be an illegitimate child in 1917:
Bernard Cheverton, mmn Cheverton, born Dec 1917 quarter Croydon, 2a/432. (Marguerite's son? Or is the name a coincidence?)
Bernard A. Cheverton is away from his family in 1881, at school (his father is possibly George Cheverton who is living with wife and daughters in Tunbridge Wells in 1881). Can't find Cecile at all - probably need to get their marriage certificate to go further back there.
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Thanks jorose
I am waiting for the marriage cert of Bernard and Cecile as I can't find Cecile on any census records either. I have an idea she was french.
Ferrett1
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The name certainly suggests that she might have been, although she claims to have been born Kent/London in 1901 - possibly her family moved around some? Also possible it was her second marriage, I suppose - I have one who married young, her husband died at 19 from tuberculosis, and she neglected to mention the fact that she'd been previously married on her children's birth certificates - took a while to find her.
www.historicaldirectories.org has some entries for Bernard - in 1910 he's listed as a solicitor part of MacArthur and Cheverton (33 King Street, Cheapside EC, telephone 8239 Bank).
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thanks jorose
I hadn't considered her being previously married, however I received her marriage cert today. Father is Louis Mollard - just about to look him up in the census returns but I have a feeling he was french.
This is not my family tree but something I am doing for someone lese and they said that there is history that they have french ancestors - perhaps this is them!
Ferrett1
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Does it give an occupation for him? You're right, both surname and first names suggest a French connection.
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=Mollard&submit=Valider&client=cdip - here's a map of where in France the surname Mollard is found. When you're looking for French families, beware of the Middle Name Game - something I know quite well, because my Jean Pierre Olivier Praud appears in most records as Olivier or Oliver, and to throw it the other way around 'Louis Mollard' could well turn up as Jean Louis Mollard or Henri Louis Mollard (the first name is a christening name).
(This problem shows up in other countries, too, I know, but my French relatives seem to have taken it to the furthest possible extent - particularly Andre Henri Louis Praud, lifelong juggler of forenames).
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Jorose
The occupation on the marriage cert is "of independent means", which isn't really helpful!
I have looked at some of the websites that have french registers of BMD etc but they are either in french (ther's a shocker!!) or they need to be subscribed to. As I mentioned this is not my family and so I will need to check with the person I am doing it for to see if he wants me to spend any more mony.
Thanks for the website, Ferret1
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Most of the online stuff isn't even helpful when you don't know which region they were from. :( You can have a look at www.geneanet.com - but you have to subscribe there to be able to search by first name, too.
A little possible link - there are two people named Mollard who married in Greenwich in Jun quarter 1894 - Cecile Marguerite and George Paul - and a possible wife for George Paul Mollard is Ellen Gertrude Cheverton! George Paul Mollard = brother of Cecile and Ellen Gertrude Cheverton = sister of Bernard?
Like Cecile, George does not appear to be in the birth indexes. Also, I can't spot him on any census. :( I guess a possible explanation would be that he arrived in England accompanying his sister, that they both married there, and then that George and Ellen returned to France together or emigrated elsewhere.
A few things to check - who were the witnesses at the marriage, was it a church or registry office marriage (and if a church, then Catholic, CoE, other?) and what was Cecile's address? You never know where these things will lead.
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Thanks for all of the info jorose.
I had a look at www.geneanet.com and realised that you had to subscribe but as I didn't havetoo much info I didn't think I would do that yet.
The 2 people you mention as marrying in Greenwich are 'my' Cecile Mollard and George Mollard - I have checked the marrige regsiters and it all adds up.
I have searched the birth indexes for several years either side of when Cecile was born - about 1872 - but no luck. This led me even more to consider that she was born in France and for whatever reason her place of birth is listed as Sydenham, Kent in a later census.
The witnesses at the marriage were George Cheverton (Bernard's father) and an F. M Howe. I have looked for that person in the 1891 census but no luck. The marriage took place at the Register Office in Greenwich and Cecile's address was the same as Bernard's (24 Wickham Road, Brockley).
Thanks again, Ferret1
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Marguerite (known as Margot) and Sidney had sister called Marcelle Augusta Cheverton (known as Mac)
Regarding George P Mollard being Cecile's brother and Ellen Gertrude being Bernard A's sister : good possibility because Marcelle A married Roger Pierre Mollard and they were cousins. So think that George P was Roger's father.
Roger P was born in St Germain-en-Laye in 1902 and I have Marcelle b 1903 in Acton.
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Refer my previous post.
Possibility that Ellen Gertrude and Bernard A were not brother and sister but cousins. check www.theweald.org this shows Cheverton family, Ellen G being daughter of George and Ellie Cheverton.
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Thanks Rooter50 - I will look into this.
I cant find the Cheverton/Chiverton family on the website you suggest; I have done a seach under both spellings - could you tell me where to look.
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I beg your pardon, try looking at
the weald.org/
(Leave of www.)
With reference to Bernard Cheverton born 1917 , do you have any further info on him?
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Marguerite, Sydney and Marcelle had a sister only known to me as "Aunty Sos".
Will try and establish what her proper name was. I think she was the youngest.
Ferret I am not sure who asked you to research Marguerite but I am a family member so am finding this so interesting. (Not sure if I can post this type of comment as am a beginner, so let me know)
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Hi Rooter50
I was doing research for a friend. He remembers Aunty Sos too. I'm not seeing him for a while but once I do I will mention the new information.
I'm also away from home for the next 3 weeks so dont have access to all mtyfamily history research, but will check it all out when I get back home.
I also found the Chev ertons on the website.
Thanks
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Entry of birth for Marcelle Augusta Cheverton is no 111 of Birth Register no. 71 for Acton, Middlesex dated 28 August 1903.
She was born 30 July 1903.
Parents noted as Bernard Abalone Cheverton, Solicitor
Mother is Cecile Marguerite Cheverton formerly Mollard D'Ivernois,
Address given is 13 Fielding Road, Acton
Marriage certificate dd 28/12/1929 confirms Bernard Abalone Cheverton as father but now deceased, Her husband Roger Pierre Mollard has father as George Paul Mollard and his (GPM's) profession reads "own means"
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Think Aunty Sos' real name was Cecile.
Found following:
Ellen Gertrude born 29 April 1867 to George Cheverton, Homeopathic Chemist, High Street Tonbridge Wells and Harriet Cheverton formerly Hebber/Webber ??
1894 Marriage at Congregational Church Lewisham High Road district of Greenwich (Page 45) Col 90
4 April 1894 between
George Paul Mollard Age 24 Bachelor,Brokers Manager, 9 Wickham Road, Brackley
son of Louis Marc Mollard , Commission Agent
to
Ellen Gertrude Cheverton Age 26, Spinster, 24 Wickham Road Brackley,
daughter of George Cheverton, Chemist
in the presence of
A Mollard
L B d'Ivernois
B Abalone Cheverton
Mabel E Cheverton
Ettie Cheverton
Witness by registrar on 25 April 1895
Also
A Swiss marriage certificate for the above
Louis Marc Mollard was son of Hugues Joseph and Felia Marie-Louis Mollard from Neuchatel, Geneva
Louis married Augusta d'Ivernois daughter of Guillaume-Auguste and Dardel Marianne-Uranie
I have included the latter info because there are so many similar names on both sides due to cousins etc
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Hi Rooter 50
Thanks so much for the info. I am meeting the person I did the research for in November so will share this with him.
Thanks, Gill
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Hi Gill,
Since my last posting have been doing a bit more research. I would appreciate it if you would ask the person you are helping, if they could share any information on Aunty Sos as I have very little for her. I have since discovered a lot more relatives and connections, including on the Cheverton side.
Are you based in France at all?
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BTW Aunty Sos's name was Edna Beatrice Cheverton b 1904 (had thought it was Cecile)