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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: kd on Saturday 18 August 07 12:23 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone tell me where abouts Lye Waste was situated and if there are any maps online for it.
Thanks
kd
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Hi Kd,
Any use?
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/G-Lye.html
:)
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Tried Googling ?
:)
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Hi
I googled it and got lots of information about it but no map
or indication of where it was.
Thanks for the link Tati
kd
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If you enter the OS Grid reference +52° 28' 0.00", -2° 7' 0.00" into google maps, it takes you right there :)
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Now called Lye.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/Lye/index.html
http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/ukvillages.nsf/villages/Lye-West%20Midlands
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Thank you for the links
kd
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Hi
There is a variety of Maps in www.old-maps.co.uk from 1885 to 1903/4, 1920, 1937/8, 1946.
in various scales.
Just enter LYE in the maps search and choose the Worcestershire option.
Some of the maps are titled Staffordshire for some reason but they still depict the same place.
The 1/10,560 scale are zoomable and both scales are navigable ie you can move NESW + diagonally by using the arrowheads on the borders of the mapview.
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Thank you
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I have family who also came from lye waste.
the town lye lies on the main road between birmingham and stourbridge in the west mids. it is now an highly asian populated town, and the high street is mainly indian restraunts. i have read a bit about the origin and it was first populated by gypies and refugees in the 1600's.
kerry
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Lye Waste is north-east of Stourbridge which was once in Worcestershire ::), my family from there appear to have used the Oldswinford Churches for their hatches, matches and despatches.
What name are you researching there ?
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Hi
I am researching Mobberley, Hart, Taylor and Westwood. I have Oldswinford Parish records from 1647 - 1813.
I have managed to find most of my relatives there.
kd
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It was the Clews family there I was interested in.
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Hi
My Clews were from Alveley.
kd
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There's a photographer's shop called Harts still in Lye High Street, but then I suspect you knew that already ;D
David
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Also try :
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications4/strange-28.htm
Yes, it is about Lye ...
David
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Hi David
Thanks for the link.
I do know the photographers in the High Street, unfortunately i don't think they are any relation. There were lots of Harts in Lye at one time.
kd
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Lye Waste is north-east of Stourbridge which was once in Worcestershire ::), my family from there appear to have used the Oldswinford Churches for their hatches, matches and despatches.
What name are you researching there ?
My family name from lye waste is perry.
kerry
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Try getting hold of a copy of 'A Brief History of Lye and Wollescote' written by Don Cochrane, he is descended from the Lye Bingham family, the book is fascinating, all you ever want to know about Lye, contains some family trees. HTH from mrswoman.
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Lye Waste is just south of Lye Town Centre in the Stourbridge part of Dudley. Dudley Borough Council (dudley.gov.uk) has 3 free old maps the ones for 1750 and 1835 show Lye Waste. Hope this helps.
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Hi
Thank you
kd
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Hi kd
my mother-in-law's grandmothers family is Taylor from Lye
I wonder if any connections?
Also two good books are
Lye & Wollescote- A Second Selection (Britain in Old Photographs series)
and
Lye & Wollescote - The Photographic Collection
both books by Pat Dunn
alittle tip to see if your surnames crop up in these books is to go to Amazon.co.uk and enter book title scroll down page and there is a part that says 'Inside this Book' enter your surname then a list appears. I have tried your surnames for that area and afew came up so might be worth checking to see if a match, if there is I could check in my copy of books for you for full details.
Elaine
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I also have copies of the Wesleyan Methodist Church Books for the Kingswinford and Old Swinford areas, many local names in there. best wishes mrswoman.
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Hello
Thank you for the replies.
I have Catherine Taylor born 9 Oct 1889 who married Arthur Coleman on 13 Dec 1908.Catherines parents were John William Taylor born about 1864 and Annie Hart born about 1866 who married on 5 Nov 1885 they had children Fred Arthur Alice Joseph and Catherine.
The only information i have for John William is that his father was also John and his mother was possibly Mary Ann.
kd
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I also had Taylors as well as perrys from there.
Hi kd
my mother-in-law's grandmothers family is Taylor from Lye
I wonder if any connections?
Also two good books are
Lye & Wollescote- A Second Selection (Britain in Old Photographs series)
and
Lye & Wollescote - The Photographic Collection
both books by Pat Dunn
alittle tip to see if your surnames crop up in these books is to go to Amazon.co.uk and enter book title scroll down page and there is a part that says 'Inside this Book' enter your surname then a list appears. I have tried your surnames for that area and afew came up so might be worth checking to see if a match, if there is I could check in my copy of books for you for full details.
Elaine
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I have Clews from there
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I have Mary Ann REA b 1877 from there daughter of Job and Martha Rea let me know if you trip over her during your reseach please. Also my Great Grand father married in Old Swinford in 1873 giving hid occupation as brickyard lab. from Lye He wasn't there long, in 1871 he was in Claines and his first three daughters were born in Hagley. By 1876 they were in Austry but just incase (you know how inaccurate census information can be) does anyone know if there were any children of Edward and Susan MARSHALL among the Lye records?
Trees
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Lye waste is actually the flat part of THE LYE (its proper name) running from the unitarian church ( by the bottom Bell pub) towards Colley Gate. I am from Waste Bonk(bank to all the non black country people) which is by the top Bell pub. My mother remembers part of the Hart Family (1940ish) .
Main jobs of people from the the lye waste were nail/chain makers, brickies, and the famalies did tend to be nomadic. Some records are held at Oldswinford church but Dudley archives (based at Coseley old school) hold more on microfiche.
Hope this helps.
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hi
i am currently wading through family history. I have loads of westwoods from lye and also taylors,skelding,brettell,charnock
Alison
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I have sent Kerry a PM about my Perry family from Lye Waste. Descent is from William Perry born 1804/5.
David
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I have family who also came from lye waste.
the town lye lies on the main road between birmingham and stourbridge in the west mids. it is now an highly asian populated town, and the high street is mainly indian restraunts. i have read a bit about the origin and it was first populated by gypies and refugees in the 1600's.
kerry
I have a (Rose) Hannah Southall born Lye Waste in the 1830s. Can you say more about the 'refugee/gypsey' topic. Is there a Jewish connection?
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Lye Waste was best known for it's mud huts and nailers, built by settlers who were said to be a community of Gypsies, who squatted on waste land in the upper part of Lye around 1650. These people were described as rough and uncouth, they built their houses from local clay deposits. The houses lacked planning and were built in a hotpotch fashion with no semblance of order, they all lacked any sanitation, or clean drinking water. It is possible that these people were displaced by the civil wars between the Royalists and Parliamentarians from the Battle of Worcester in 1651. They were a very tight community and did not tolerate any strangers, they were described as miserable, uncivilised, rude and lawless. The males were naked, the females accomplished breeders, marriage was not high on their agenda, they lived in uncivilised squalor. The women spent half their lives in the Nail Shops, only stopping to give birth, within a few hours they were back in the Nail Shop, many babies did not survive, in some cases the mothers and babies were buried in the same Coffin. One local story regarding a family from Lye Waste known as the 'All Fours' were so under-nourished, they were too weak to stand, and literally did walk around on 'All Fours.' Hope this gives you a brief insight into Lye Waste, I am also descended from one of the Lye Waste families. linell
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I remember reading the following on the Quinton Website:-
"The Lye Waste boasted that Coroner's inquests on infanticide were unknown in its area. There's some truth in the taunt, despite the notorious immorality of the district, but the solution was simple. Most Lye Wasters kept pigs; if there chanced to be a superfluous baby the family pig was kept on short commons for a day or so. Then the infant (somehow) fell into the sty, and in half an hour no coroner could have found, any remains to 'sit upon’".
Regards
John
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I wonder if that explains why so far I have found no burials for any of my Perry family who wer nailers living in Lye Waste in the early 19th century.
It didn't hold them back because by 1881 one of them, William, was running a chain and nail factory employing 590 hands and living in Lye High Street. His brothers seem to have similarly progressed but a little further afield in places like Halesowen and Hasbury.
David
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My relative was a Gadd from Cradley who married a Southall from Lye Waste. Both were from Fruiterer families and migrated to Birkenhead in the 1840s and then across the river to Liverpool where he did very well, becoming quite a big fruit importer and wholesaler. He must have kept his Black Country connection because when he died his bequests included an interest in a Tipton iron works.
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This site will give you an idea of what living at the Lye Waste,would have been like.
www.victorianlondon.org/publications4/strange-28.htm
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Thanks. Amazing. Remarkable that a lot 'escaped' and made good. I suppose it is like Mumbai today, if you see what I mean.
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Looking for information on the family name Hill or the address Boucher, The Lye
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Anybody here related to the Hughes's around 1810 to 1890?
David
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I have Hughes in my tree but they seem to have been in the Cradley area. Which ones are you looking at?
Cember's OH
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Hi Cember,
Thomas Nelson Hughes and Sarah Higgs married 4 Oct 1829 and/or Alfred Hughes (b. 1833) and Mary Potts (b.c1835) married 11 Aug 1852.
David
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Haven't come across those , mine was John Hughes c1797 who married Hannah Sowden at Old Swinford in 1822
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Thomas was born around 1805ish he could be related? I think his parents were Thomas Hughes and Ann Griffen but I need to check that one with the parish records.
Thomas and Sarah were married at Kinswinford, she was originally from Oldswinford, they lived at Waste Bank all their married lives.
David
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My problem is I don't know anything about John prior to his marriage to Hannah. There are at least 3 baptisms for a John Hughes around the same time, and some speculation amongst my cousins, who are also researching, that the family may have originated in Wales. So we've ground to a halt with him.
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Likewise, I need to spend a day in the Records Office ploughing through the parish records at some point, good luck with yours.
David
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Your John and Hannah are on here Cember
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=30237&rand=135914171
Happy hunting from Linell.
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There is also a John Hughes who apprenticed a Sarah Bowley in 1783 Old Swinford as a Labourer! Poor Sarah! Linell.
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Thanks Linell
Haven't looked at that site in a while.
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Hi Cember,
Thomas Nelson Hughes and Sarah Higgs married 4 Oct 1829 and/or Alfred Hughes (b. 1833) and Mary Potts (b.c1835) married 11 Aug 1852.
David
David, my great grandfather's name was Thomas Nelson Hughes. I have not been able to find his parents and was googling his name when I came across your post. Maybe a connection? All we know about him was that he went to Tennesse from Virginia. He was born 11 Apr 1842 and had a brother named Rice. He said he was Welsh and had an accent. He married Amanda Eller.
Pam
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Pam,
Welcome to Roots Chat.
There's me thinking that there couldn't be a second Thomas Nelson Hughes (must be something to do with Trafalgar?). Unfortunately, this TNH was born in around 1806 in Clent, Worcestershire as was the rest of the family.
This family seems to have a number of Thomas Hughs's in it, it's one of the most common names I can find, the Nelson bit came off one of the children's birth certificates.
I don't know whether you have access to Ancestry or not but there's a reference to a photograph of a Thomas Hughes (b. 1842) taken around 1906 in New York?
David
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I thought the same about there being another Thomas Nelson Hughes and that was why I posted. Thought maybe my TNH might have been related and named after yours. Guess Thomas Nelson Hughes isn't as a unique name as we both thought. Oh well... back to search. Thank you any way and thanks for the nice welcome. I've attached a photo of my TNH.
Pam
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