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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Nantwich-Newsagent on Saturday 18 August 07 08:25 BST (UK)
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Following an enquiry within a separate topic I've set up this one to see if there's any interest/follow-up re. the Ravenscrofts of Nantwich, Wharton & Winsford.
"Hi NN - My hubbies rellies came from Nantwich area and I was wondering if there was any connection? His ggrandad was Edward Ravenscroft who married Elizabeth Merrill. They had Henry and Frank and another possible son has just appeared but am still checking him out. Edward was born c 1848.
Look forward to hearing from you, Crystal."
Hi Crystal,
I have a Jane Ravenscroft (dob. 1816) and her sister Elizabeth (dob. 1821) both born in Wharton which is just less than 12 miles from Nantwich so it's likely there is some link - you might have to go back a bit, then forward again. Have you tried the IGI at http://www.familysearch.org/ ? I found it great for going beyond the range of the Victorian census data.
I know that the girls mother was called Mary (dob. 1787) and that she came from Over, Winsford.
Jane married William Hall and of their 6 children (that I know of) Annie married Alfred Cooke. They had 11 children - Jessie married (1911) John William Oakes. They had 7 children - Lilian May (dob. 1917) was my grandmother.
Can give you more details if you want them, especially if you make the link before I do as this would certainly be of interest.
Best regards - NN
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Hi NN
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay in replying.
So far the info you gave does not ring any bells but as I have only just started you never know who/what will turn up. I'll let you know if any links appear.
I think Edwards parents may have been John & Sarah Ravenscroft and John's father may have been Thomas - I have to get these details verified but hopefuly I have worked it out correctly. Can't see any connection with Over as it looks like they were from the Wilaston area - as I don't know Cheshire, don't know if these areas are near each other.
Will keep in touch.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal,
Over (which used to be a borough in its own right) gradually became a part of Winsford in the late 19th century. So along with Wharton it is also about 12 miles away from Willaston.
As there are 'currently' (2001 census) a relatively small number (1797*) adult Ravenscrofts in the UK. I'd be surprised if one of us doesn't eventually find a link. *http://www.yournotme.com/
I think I found your Edward on Rootsweb - http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=teddie&id=I19817
This suggests:
Edward RAVENSCROFT -
DoB: 29 Nov 1847 in Willaston,Cheshire
Christened: 30 Nov 1847 Wybunbury,Cheshire
Father: John RAVENSCROFT b: 1812/1816 in Cheshire
Mother: Sarah ROBINSON b: 1820 in Manchester,Lancs
Married: Elizabeth MERRILL of Wrenbury
Married: 11 May 1870 in Wrenbury,Cheshire,England
That for John:
Married an Elizabeth b: 1808 in Cheshire first
and that they had two sons:
John RAVENSCROFT b: in Willaston,Cheshire
Edwin RAVENSCROFT b: in Willaston,Cheshire
Then John seems to have married again:
Sarah ROBINSON b: 1820 in Manchester,Lancs
and then had two more children:
Emma RAVENSCROFT b: 1846 in Willaston,Cheshire
and finally your Edward RAVENSCROFT b: 29 Nov 1847 in Willaston,Cheshire
Also that (as you thought) John's father was Thomas RAVENSCROFT. Apologies if you already had most/all of the above already but it might just help me later if a connection can be made.
Anyway whilst I was looking at the long list (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=teddie&recno=16715)of Ravenscrofts (perhaps I misjudged their number above!) on Rootsweb I've just come across 'my Jane'.
Will investigate this further now and let you know later if I find any link to your Edward/John/Thomas!
Best regards,
NN
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Hi NN
Good to hear from you & thanks for the links - they were certainly interesting and very informative, found some of the rellies on there. The info you gave matches what I had found so I am glad that I'm on the right track. I had been pondering about John's 2 marriages and wondering if it was correct. The more I look at it and check, the more it seems likely but I will certify it eventually. It looks like John died a few years after his second marriage and if I'm correct Sarah married again to a William Lovatt. Found Edward with Sarah and William on the 1861 census and a John Ravenscroft with Sarah and William (no Edward) on the 1871 census and couldn't make out where John had come from but think he may be John Snr's son from his first marriage. Also learnt of Emma's death and the date, as I had not been able to locate her on any census I had been wondering if something like this had happened but it was sad to see that she died so young.
Still haven't made any connections yet with your line but as you say, with so few Ravenscrofts there has to be a connection somewhere along the line.
Good luck with your Jane, hope you find something.
Speak to you soon.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal,
'Good luck with your Jane, hope you find something' ...
Oh, my goodness, C! Since my last post on the 5th I've spent most of the last week's evenings adding over 200 Ravenscroft/Ravenscroft related individuals to my tree. I began to feel a bit silly about my assertion that it was not a common surname but realistically I think it must have actually had a fairly concentrated coverage around the Middlewich area. I have not found a definite link with your tree but bearing in mind 'my' numbers and 'your proximity' I am even more convinced than before that the link does exist, it just needs finding.
The problem (as I'm sure you've found) is that whilst the detail to search on is fairly slight for 1812 John all we know about his father is that he was apparently called Thomas.
I did find that John and Sarah married on 24.08.1845 at Wybunbury, Cheshire if that's of any interest. Also, and possibly more interesting, some references to John on the web do suggest he was born in somewhere called Newton in 1812. I have emailed one of these sources to clarify where the Newton link comes from. Anyway, Newton is a part of Middlewich and there was a 'suitable' Thomas there in the late 18th century:
Thomas Ravenscroft, christened,10.05.1786, Middlewich
Buried 13.02.1841 again in Middlewich
His father was
Jonathan Ravenscroft, born Stanthorn, christened 8 Jan 1749, Middlewich
mother
Sarah Leigh
Thomas, Jonathan and Sarah are all in my tree so this would be a link if we could be confident with the John-Newton-Middlewich-Thomas link. Some speculation I know but I would be reasonably confident if I knew why the Newton connection had been made to John.
Well whether we ever make the link or not (hope we do!) I've really enjoyed exploring the Ravenscroft tree from 'my Jane' as a starting point. Good luck with your tree.
Best regards,
NN
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Thought I would add my RAVENSCROFT connections to this post. I have a Thomas RAVENSCROFT who married Martha WOOD at Over in 1829 - he was born 1792 at Wettenhall and baptised 6 May 1792 at Over. I'm connected through Martha WOOD.
I have Mary RAVENSCROFT born c1828 who married Samuel BIRCHALL at Tarporley in 1853. I have a note to say that her father was John RAVENSCROFT of Rushton, Tarporley. I'm connected through Samuel BIRCHALL. The BIRCHALL's were from Wybunbury, then Nantwich and Samuel was born Baddiley in 1817.
I then have Mary RAVENSCROFT born 1857 at Lostock, who married James MOORE in 1878 in Manchester - guess what, I'm connected through the MOORE family!!
Happy to hear of any connections, or maybe someone searching will find us all here on Rootschat!! ;D
Jean
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Hi Jean,
What a lot of marital connections to the Ravenscrofts -
not just 1 or 2, but 3!!!
Whilst I've 'got' 14 Thomas Ravenscrofts and some Ravenscroft links to Over I can't tie up with #1.
I've 11 Mary Ravenscrofts but as yet no link to a Samuel. Where was your Mary born as I have 3 born around the right time in Leighton, Bostock and Moulton?
I can't find any immediate links with the second Mary.
There's a lot of these Ravenscrofts about aren't there?! But I still believe they must have had quite a high concencentration in this area - so the links are probably there to be found - one day!
Best regards,
NN
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Hi NN,
Mary c1828 was born Rushton Tarporley, father John. Unfortunately I only have information on the descendants for Mary as she is a "married in"! I'll post on this thread if I find anything else.
I've just rechecked the marriage date for Thomas RAVENSCROFT and Martha WOOD and have updated the previous post - should be 1829. Children (from census):
Richard born 1831
Thomas born 1836
John born 1839
Jonathan born 1841
Stephen born 1845
George born 1848
Jean
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Hi JDGen & NN
Nice to hear of your Ravenscroft's JDGen & welcome to the thread - not many of us yet but I bet there's more out there! Can't see any connection with my Ravenscroft's yet but as NN says I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually find a connection somewhere.
NN - no luck yet with my searching but will keep trying and let you know. I think I'm what you might call a 'dry spell'!! everything I check/lookup at the moment just leads to either a dead end or is completely wrong. Oh well, don't suppose it will last forever.
Speak to you both soon.
Crystal
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Hi NN
Hope you are okay, I'm off work at moment recovering from cold/ chest infection so thought I'd have a quick chat with you as not spoke for a while.
How's your tree going? I'm still searching and hoping! Glad you found all those rellies - can't believe how many you found, bet you were delighted. Have you now got some 'new' brickwalls? I have had 1 breakthrough (I think), not sure if i've said already that I could not find John on the 1841 Census - well, think I have now found him mistranscribed as John Ravencroft age 25, wife Elizabeth age 30 and daughter Sarah age 10, his occupation is given as a joiner - what do you think? Sounds as if its him to me - the ages for him and Elizabeth match along with his occupation, the only problem is that at the moment I cannot find anymore details for daughter Sarah - am thinking that maybe Elizabeth was married before and its her daughter - clutching at straws here!!
Have still not got any precise detail on John and Thomas - someone has checked parish registers for Nantwich and Wybunbury for me and no record of John's baptism or marriage to Elizabeth, so its been suggested that maybe John came to Willaston looking for work from another area. I meant to ask you before about your info in message dated 14 Sept - you mentioned some info on the web about John from Newton area and that you had emailed for some details, did anything come of this? Have not seen this info anywhere. It would be nice if mine matched the info you gave there, its a possiblilty but I need to find out where my John came from - he's a right pain - keep thinking I must be missing something somewhere. The only deaths I have come across so far for John before 1851 and in his age group are 1848 Northwich and 1849 Middlewich. Jayson who has been helping me with lookups has found a Thomas in the Middlewich area with a son John and is checking it out for me, don't know if this ties in with yours at Middlewich?
Better go, let me know what you think and if you've had any more discoveries and look forward to hearing from you soon.
Crystal
PS Nearly forgot - although stuck on the Ravenscrofts, I've had some good luck with my own tree on my mum's side. Thought we knew that they had all stayed in nearly same area in Fradswell and Stowe in Staffs but have found that my gggrandad ended up with one of my gguncles about 5 miles away from where i live now (have actually been in the same house about 10yrs ago!) and have found 1 of my mum's cousins who she lost contact with over 50 yrs ago - found him on here actually - so really pleased with that.
Bye.
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Hi Crystal,
Good to hear from you. Regarding John, my rule of thumb is that if you get 2 identifying links its probably right, 3 its fairly certain.
Unfortunately my 'link' with John & Newton has not got back to me so I cannot help to move this line of enquiry forward.
Will be back in touch when I have something new to add.
Best regards,
NN
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Crystal,
My apologies, omitted to say
how I hope you're feeling better.
Best regards,
NN
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Hi NN
Thanks for your last message and am feeling much better now thanks.
I have some new info on John and Thomas!! at last. Jayson has been doing some lookups for me (on Cheshire Lookups if you want to see if anything matches up with yours) and after I made a contact on GR has come up with the following info - Thomas married Catherine Hewitt in 1807 and they had George 1810, Anne 1813, JOHN 1815, Hannah 1817 and Thomas 1820 all in the parish of Acton. He also found baptisms for John 1774, James 1776 and Thomas and margaret 1779 (twins),children of John and Margaret, think John is Thomas's father. This seems a definate match to mine as John's year of birth was only approx and was taken from census/IGI etc. Also on John's marriage to Sarah, Thomas's occupation was given as 'weaver' and from checking records this is not a common occupation among Ravenscroft's. The parish records jayson has just found have Thomas's occupation as 'weaver' which is another tick in the box. What do you think? Can't remember if I've asked this already, apolgoies if I have but do any of your Thomas's have weaver as their occupations? John's occupation was a joiner.
The only snag that has turned up is a burial record for a Thomas Ravenscroft, Acton April 1856 aged 70 years. This would give him a year of birth of 1786 and the Thomas we have has c1779. Jayson is double checking this in case their are other Thomas's in the same area. The year of birth matches your Thomas mentioned in our previous massages but he was in Middlewich, the IGI has a couple more possibles and will let you know on this. Don't suppose your Thomas has son called John? Clutching at straws here as you would have mentioned it by now.
Anyway, have a check to see if anything matches -we'll find the link one day and will speak to you soon.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal,
Glad you're feeling better.
I think you've made a real breakthrough with John's father Thomas - nice one!
I am curious about Thomas marrying Catherine Hewitt in 1807 (5th Jan in Nantwich I think) as I've got a Stephen Ravenscroft marrying a Mary Ann Hewitt in 1838. Quite a long time between the marriages I know, but still possibly more than just a coincidence.
As you say, no links yet, but now that your Ravenscrofts have started moving into the 18th century this can only be coming closer and closer!
Best regards,
NN
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Hi I am new to this forum and was checking the Ravenscrofts
my gt.gt. grandparents were Thomas Ravenscroft who married Catherine Hewitt 5/1/1807 at St Mary Nantwich children Ann John Hannah George
my gt grandfather was George R who married Frances Hewiit 19/6/1836
Charles their son was my grandfather born 1837 died 6/1/1893 he married twice 1st wife Ann Royle who died 1887 2nd wife Johanna Knight married nov .1887 Ann had 3 children Frances Sara George Johanna had 3 children
Charles my father John William who died 2 days old and Thomas who died age 5 i am trying to find out what happened to Frances Sara and George from grandfathers1st wife they are not on the 1891 census
hope this makes sense
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Hi Marlowmags
Welcome to Rootschat, nice to meet another Ravenscroft ;D I am a 'married in' Ravenscroft, its my hubbies family tree I am trying to trace and with lots of help from fellow rootschatters I have made lots of headway and found lots of ancestors.
It looks like you and my husband are distantly related - Thomas Ravenscroft & Catherine Hewitt were my husbands ggg grandparents, I also have their children you listed but have another son Thomas b 1820, do you have any trace of him? My hubbie is descended from John b 1815. I have the same date of marriage for Thomas and Catherine at Nantwich but did not have the name of the church (unless its buried in my pile of notes!)
I have been given some info about George's line but it only mentioned Charles and his 2nd wife Joanna Knight, had no idea about his 1st wife Ann Royle so thats very interesting. Unfortunately as not aware of the 1st marriage I don't think I have info about Charles & Ann's children but I'll check my notes just in case and let you know.
I can give you more info about John's line if you are interested, depends how many branches/leaves you want on your tree. I'm terrible as my tree is getting as wide as it is long as I'm adding everyone. Let me know. You have lots of dates etc, hope you don't mind me asking but are they verified? Some of mine are and it would be nice to tick some of the unverified ones off the list.
Better go as its getting late and I have work tomorrow. Nice to hear from you Marlowmags and look forward to chatting with you again.
Crystal
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Hi Crystal thanks for your reply i have grandfather R and his family b.d.m. certificates the other information came from Cheshire record office i had great help from John Elsworth who lives in Bunbury when i started my research a few years ago i will read through my files and see if i come up with any thing new.my grandfather was a game keeper living at Stanner cottage Bunbury the cottage is still standing but no roof in the grounds of Peckforton i have photographs of the cottage and the well were they got their water my father was born in the cottage in 1888 he married 3 times i am from the 3rd marriage
marlowmags
researching Ravenscroft Cheshire & Liverpool
Knight Holmes Borris Wheeler Parry all Liverpool
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Hi Marlowmags, nice to hear from you again.
Have been double checking names and dates and would say its a definate link although a bit distant. Nice to have some info on the other lines and like the personal info you gave. I'm trying to gather as much personal info as well as names/dates so that I can make my tree more personal.
I'm afraid I don't have any info on the children from Charles 1st marriage but you may come across another contact who does. I have only been researcing both my own and OH family trees for just over 12 months, how long have you been doing yours? the furthest I have gone back is Thomas's parents.
Have a look on the cheshire look up board - I started a thread asking for a lookup at the Records Office for OH grandad's baptism, it was answered by Jayson who has found loads out for me, have a look at it as there might be something of interest to you on there.
Babysitting grandchildren tonight so I've go tot go, speak to you soon.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal lovely to hear from you i have been doing my family tree on and off for 10 years now i knew nothing when i started as we were brought up as children should been seen and not heard so we did not ask questions i never knew my father had been married before but it has been interesting doing the research. i have a certificate of a John Ravenscroftwho died in Liverpool age 55 on 13/7/1893 he must have been born 1838 i do not know any more about him. like you i would like to know what the family did to make it more personal
do you have access to Genes Reunited you are welcome to view my tree i will put a message on the cheshire look up board about Frances Ravenscroft
marlowmags
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Hi Marlowmags
Sorry for not replying sooner but got caught with my side of the family tree (sometimes I could do with a few more hours in the day ;D ).
I've caught up with your thread on Frances, looks like you may be getting somewhere, good luck with that.
Wow, 10 years - I have a mound of paper work after only 12 months, can't imagine how much you've acquired. Bet you have come across some interesting things over the years. Yes I am on Genes Reunited - I'll send you a pm about it.
Crystal
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Hi
I too have a couple of Ravenscrofts from the Winsford/Over/Northwich area of Cheshire.
One of whom is a mystery to me, she is listed age 3 as a "nurse child" born Leftwich on the 1871 living with Charles and Elizabeth Maddock and their family and as adopted daughter of my Charles and Elizabeth Maddock on the 1881 census. I'd love to know why she ended up with the Maddocks and whose child she originally was.
The second is Elizabeth Ravenscroft c 1793 - 1869 born Bostock, Davenham, Cheshire wife of John Percival c 1791.
regards
Siouxzie
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Hi Siouxzie
Sorry, only just picked up your reply.
Most of my Ravenscrofts seem to come from the Acton, Wilaston area. Have had a look and can't match with yours anywhere but you never know what will appear later on. I've made a note and will let you know if I find a connection.
Nantwich Newsagent seems to have connections that way but he has not been on for ages which is a shame.
Crystal
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Hi all,
Sorry to restart an old post but I have jus started researching my family history and have traced some Ravenscrofts of Over and nearby back to about 1750. I'm using the "who do you think you are?" Family Tree software to log it all and my tree "linked into" another that already went all the way back to... (excuse me as I am currently at work and trying to remember correctly...) Ralph Ravenscroft, B. 1598. I have one link that I want to double check but most of it seems to corralate - If people dont have this info already and think they may be linked, would like to double check any of it, or want more information out of general interest, then I'll do my best to provide it all.
Also, JDGEN - I am a Davenport but have Ravenscrofts that carried the Wood name to my grandmother, Amy Wood Ravenscroft (nee Davenport). I cant remember for certain but the name Martha Wood does ring a bell. I will check tonight and see if it is the same link as yours.
Regards,
M Davenport
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Hi again,
For JDGEN - I have checked my information and was wrong. My ancestor Thomas William RAVENSCROFT B. 27 July, 1865 in Winsford/Over married Sarah Ann WOOD B. 1868 Hassall Green, Sandach, not Martha Wood.
I'm not sure if Sarah is in your tree - I've been concentrating on other lines so have only got back to Sarah's grandfather so far.
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Hi M Davenport,
I haven't got a Sarah WOOD in my tree who matches, sorry.
My DAVENPORT family is from the Bolton area originally, and then to the Mottram in Longdendale area of Cheshire.
But now we are hijacking the RAVENSCROFT thread!! :)
Jean
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JDGen,
No worries - it just seemed too much of a coincidence but then I guess the was an awful lot of people, even back then.
I'm going to slink off back to the Davenports for now :)
M Davenport.
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Hi NN,
Don't knpw how far you've gone back from Jane Ravenscroft 1816 her parents were Stephen Ravenscroft 1790 born Bostock and Mary Wild 1787 Over.
Stephen's parents were Peter Ravenscroft 1755 Davenham and Mary Forster 1757 Shipbrook.
Peter's parents were John Ravenscroft 1719 Davenham and Elizabeth Mounfield.
This particular line of the Ravenscrofts goes back to Radulph Rainscroft whose son also Radulph was baptised at Davenport on 16/02/1622.
Stephen
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Sorry last message should have read Davenham not Davenport.
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Hello All. Another Ravenscroft for you ... Betsy b 1844 Birmingham and married Ashton Samuel Beckett (his father Richard was ex Baddiley) Jun 1868 B'ham. Do you know her? cheer, Mike
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Hello mikeadair10,
Betsy Ravenscroft was born c.1843 to George Ravenscroft and Elizabeth Walker.
George Ravenscroft married Elizabeth Walker in 1842 Jun qtr. Aston 16 259
George Ravenscroft was died in 1879 Jun. qtr, age 65, Birmingham 6D 50
George was born at Wincham, Cheshire, c.1814 This is not George Ravenscroft son of Stephen Ravenscroft and Mary Wild as he died in 1829 aged 15. You will need to get the marriage certificate of George and Elizabeth to find who George's father is. It is highly probable that George's parents are Samuel Ravenscroft and Nanny (Ann, Nancy) Bichenhead married 15 Nov 1801 at Great Budworth, Cheshire.
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Thanks Gene. I do appreciate your message! But, I am not following her ancestors only the Becket / Beckett descendents. :-) Good luck. Mike
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Hi Siouxzie,
Ellen Ravenscroft could be the daughter of Rhoda Ravenscroft as she had a child baptised at the Northwich Union Workhouse, Leftwich on 13 Jul 1867, unfortunately the record does not record the child's name, maybe other reocrds do.
John Percival and Elizabeth Ravenscroft married 29 Jul 1819 Middlewich, Cheshire.
I suspect Elizabeth Ravenscroft is the daughter of Peter and Mary Ravenscroft of Bostock. Born Bostock 16 Apr 1786, baptised Davenham 14 May 1786. One of the witnesses to the marriage of John and Elizabeth is a George Ravenscroft and Elizabeth had a brother by the name of George born 1784.
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Hi NN
The only snag that has turned up is a burial record for a Thomas Ravenscroft, Acton April 1856 aged 70 years. This would give him a year of birth of 1786 and the Thomas we have has c1779. Jayson is double checking this in case their are other Thomas's in the same area. The year of birth matches your Thomas mentioned in our previous massages but he was in Middlewich, the IGI has a couple more possibles and will let you know on this. Don't suppose your Thomas has son called John? Clutching at straws here as you would have mentioned it by now.
Anyway, have a check to see if anything matches -we'll find the link one day and will speak to you soon.
Crystal.
I believe the Thomas Ravenscroft you are looking for is Thomas Ravenscroft born Burland 1786, to William Ravenscroft and Mary Pedley. Baptised St. Mary, Acton 09 Apr 1786. Catherine was buried at Acton 13 Jul 1832 aged 56.