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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: oberon on Thursday 16 August 07 20:18 BST (UK)
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I've hit a brick wall with Frederick Hopper Wallace (mainly because he moved to Shanghai in about 1890). I can't find him on IGI and since I don't have a birth date or place I have been unable to find him in any census returns although I do know he was in the country in 1885 as his son's birth was registered and I have a copy of the birth certificate.
I know that he married Emily Illegible (but might be Mayers) and that they had Dare Frederick Alexander Wallace b. 1 June 1885 Southampton d. 8 June 1938 Shanghai who married Hilda Doreen Unknown and that they had Joyce Marion Wallace b. 3 Jan 1923 d. 24 Jan 2006 and also Ronald Dare Wallace dates unknown both born in Shanghai (Ronald comes from his will which I found at National Archives).
I'm waiting for a copy of the probate of Frederick Hopper Wallace's will from National Archives which indicates that he died, or at least probate was granted, in 1926.
Hope this rings some bells because my forehead is getting bruised trying to break through the wall!
David
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Getting the birth cert of Dare (bn 1885) would give his mother's maiden name, and therefore clarify who Frederick married. (or is that what you already have where her name is illegible?)
modified - just re read your post and you do have a copy of the birth cert - sorry!
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Hi,
It's an unusual name so I wonder if this could be him :-\
Birth
Frederick Hopper WALLIS Dec Q 1848 Stepney v.2 p.513
IGI
Frederick Hopper WALLIS
Christening: 19 Jan 1849 Saint Thomas, Stepney, London
Father: Frederick John WALLIS
Mother: Jemima
1851 HO107/1552 f.901 p.23 Stepney, Middlesex
20 Princes St
Fredk J WALLIS Head 33 H M Customs Middx Whitechapel
Jemima Wife 30 " " " "
Jessie E Daur 4 " " Stepney
Fredk H Son 2 " " " "
Catherine E Daur 6m " " " "
Eliza JUDD Servt 18 Gen Serv Essex East Haon?
(transcribed as WALLIN)
1861 RG9/1055 f.26 p.47 West Ham All Saints, Essex
Romford Road
Frederic J WALLIS Head 43 Assist Surveyor HMS Customs Middx Whitechapel
Jemima Wife 40 Principal Ladies School " " " "
Jessie E Daur 14 Scholar " " Stepney
Frederic H Son 12 " " " " " "
Catherine E Daur 10 " " " " " "
Edith Daur 8 " " " " " "
Gertrude Daur 5 " " Essex Stratford
Duncan B Son 3 " " " " " "
+ 2 teachers and lots of boarder/scholars.
1871 RG10/973 f.130&131 p.22&23 Herne, Kent
Town: Herne Bay
Parade " Belle Vue House College"
Jemima WALLIS Head W 50 School Mistress London
Fred H Son Unm 22 Army " "
Gertrude Daur Unm 15 Scholar Essex
Duncan B Son 13 Scholar Essex
+ various boarders, teachers and servants
What do you think?
Regards
Daisy
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Nice one Daisy!
Will there be a party to celebrate your 1000 posts? :D
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Thanks GeoffE :)
Wow 1000 posts 8)
I'm sure it was only a few weeks ago when I hit 100, posts that is not years :) although time does seem to disappear while I'm on RootsChat :D
Daisy
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Thanks Daisy that looks really promising. I've got his will and he was a master mariner which ties in quite nicely with Frederick John being in customs.
fantastic piece of sleuthing!
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i am related to hopper. my father is ronald dare wallace. still alive at 80. his father was frederick dare wallace
anna
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ronald dares mother was hilda coutts-boyd. her brother was leslie, caught by the japenese. Why were you looking for them? are you related
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I can fill in a lot of holes David. Ronald was born in 1930. he also has a sister called naomi. older than joyce. Their father died of cancer in 1936 or seven. he dropped dad off in england. Hilda fled to usa and remarried.
anna
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St Marks, Whitechapel
1845 Mar 6
Frederick John WALLIS, full, Bachelor, Searcher in Her Majesty's Customs, 55 Great Prescott St, father George Starkies WALLIS, Livery Stable
Jemima MUNFORD, full, Spinster, -, 16 Rowland Row, Stepney, father Adam MUNFORD, Fishmonger
Married by Licence
Both signed in presence of Thos. ?. Hopper, Ruth Hopper, Lydia Munford
St Thomas, Stepney baptism
1849 Jan 19, Frederick Hopper, s/o Frederick John & Jemima WALLIS, 20 Princes St, H Customs
St Mary Whitechapel
1817 Aug 2, Frederick John, s/o George Starkins & Elizabeth WALLIS, Roadside, Livery Stable keeper, born May 10
1821 Aug 5, Jemima, d/o Adam & Sarah MUNFORD, Roadside, Fishmonger, born Nov 28
Ian C
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Probably where the Hopper name came from
St Stephen, Coleman St, London
1832 Jun 23
Thomas Duck HOPPER, otp, bachelor
Ruth MUNFORD, of the parish of St Mary Whitechapel, spinster
Married by licence
Both signed in presence of Adam Munford, Mary York, Sarah Munford, Ann Banks, James York, H Banks
Ian C
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i would love to know why you are researching my family
anna
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Thanks Ian great research.
Anna I've pm'd you.
David
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Could Frederick Hopper Wallace have been born overseas? Father in army? Some interesting newspaper cuttings.
Morning Post March 1862: Wallace-Oakley. On 15th inst, at Christ Church, Forest Hill by Rev J Clarke, Mr Annesley Frederick Wallace of Simla, East Indies to Charlotte, eldest daughter of Mr William Oakley of Cedar Lodge, Forest Hill.
Pall Mall Gazette April 1869: On 8th March at Umballa, N.W. Province India, the wife of Annesley Frederick Wallace, of a son. (Frederick Hopper?)
Annesley Frederick's father was a William Nevin Wallace of Downpatrick, NI - who died leaving a published will in Northern Ireland, says Annesley Frederick Wallace, late of the 54th Regiment was resident in England. Quite a wealthy family and it seems all children had at least two christian names. It could account for the fact you have not been able to find Frederick Hopper's birth or on census if he was born overseas and subsequently travelling around with his father.
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Forgot to post this one :)
Morning Post Nov 4 1885: On 1st inst, at Padwell Road, Southhampton, to the wife of Frederick H Wallace, China, of a son.