RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: BAT on Wednesday 15 August 07 11:56 BST (UK)
-
Does anyone have any information re: Samuel Theobald born about 1751, although he was married in Great Waldingfield in 1772 there appears to be no evidence of his birth or baptism there.
He married Elizabeth chapman on 26th July, 1772 - Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Second wife- Mary Ford - married 17th May, 1785- Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Third Wife - Jane Frost - married 30th October, 1788
Any help is appreciated.
Bernard
-
Hi Bernard.
I have had a look at the I G I and have found this.
Samuel Theobald christening 22 February 1748 Swefling Suffolk parents Samuel Theobald and Elizabeth.
Also,
Samuel Theobald christening 25 October 1772 Great Waldingfield Suffolk. Parents Samuel and Elizabeth.
Maybe your Samuel was born in Swefling and had a son called Samuel born in Great Waldingfield.
Hope this might help.
William James.
-
Hi William,
That is very helpful, thank you.
Samuel Theobald christened 25th October, 1772 was certainly the son of the Samuel Theobald I am researching. It's possible that the Samuel Theobald of Sweflingis our man which is why we can find no record of him in Great Waldingfield prior to his marriage.
I am very grateful for your help.
Best wishes,
Bernard
-
Sweffling is quite a distance from Waldingfield. Theobald is a common name in and around the villages close to Waldingfield. Your Samuel is probably closer to home. Its a matter of searching parish registers in an ever widening circle from Waldingfield.
:-\ :-\
-
Hi Sue,
That is possible. the answer may lie with his bride, Elizabeth Chapman. If she came from Great Waldingfield it may explain why Samuel suddenly appears in Great Waldingfield. I think the distance between Swefling and Great Waldingfield is about 28 miles so not an impossible link.
Best wishes,
Bernard
-
No its not impossible, just didn't want you to accept that as being the only possibility. Very heartbreaking when you go down the wrong route.
:'( :'(
-
No that's much appreciated.
if I can get a look at the marriage register it should give me his age, place of residence at time of marriage and the name of Samuel's father which would be helpful.
Best wishes,
bernard
-
Marriages before 1837, when civil registration came in, are very unlikely to give you fathers names or ages. It could say if they were minors or not.
You usually get name of groom, whether bachelor, spinster or widow/er, the parish they are from at time of marriage (not necessarily birth parish), the vicars name and the witnesses. You might be lucky with the witnesses, as sometimes they are family members, matter of luck really.
Good luck.
:)
-
Have you checked the Great Waldingfield pages on www.cosford-database.co.uk ?
SM ...
in Little Waldingfield
-
Thanks SM,
Yes, unforunately it doesn't take me any further forward on either Samuel or his wife Elizabeth Chapman as their is no mention of parentage or dates of birth. :(
Thanks anyway.
Bernard
-
As thet ode gal Suffolk Sue say, thet is a common name around these parts.
Have you tried all the variations of the name around the Sudbury area? There are Theobolds in some of the north Essex villages too.
Still some Theobald's in the area with the old pronunciation of Tibble/Teeble.
Currently eight researchers for the name Theobald on the Surnames List and one looking in Gt Waldingfield whilst others looking at nearby Lavenham (where the name is still found today) and Glemsford area.
www.suffolk-surnames-list.co.uk
SM ...
still in Lt Waldingfield where it has now stopped raining and the sun is shining ::)
-
Hi again BAT,
These Theobald PR extracts are from my "Spares" database, probably of dubious value but here goes anyway.
Samuel of Samuel & Elizabeth Theobald baptised at Cavendish 12 Apr 1741.
Samuel Theobald buried at Cavendish 15 Aug 1741, there was no qualifying info attached to this burial in the PRs, i.e. no "son of" or "husband of" etc.
Also found the following Theobald burials at Cavendish:-
Simon Theobald 12 Jan 1741.
John Theobald, Householder, 18 Feb 1749.
Margaret Theobald 16 Apr 1750.
Again, except for John no qualifying info in the PR entries.
There were no doubt other Theobald entries in both the Baptism and Burial PRs, I was on a wild goose chase for a Joseph Harris and only jotted down the Theobald entries as I noticed them.
There was a Samuel Tebbal baptised 27 Nov 1737 in Borley, Essex, of John and Mary, he would have been 35 if he married in 1772, quite a long shot but worth keeping in mind perhaps. As others have mentioned there were a lot of Theobalds on both sides of the Essex/Suffolk border and no doubt there was significant migration from both sides. At one stage I was interested in Samuel's brother, John, as a possible candidate for the husband of Elizabeth French but info from this board knocked that idea on the head.
Good luck with your research, it looks as though you are in with a chance with the 1748 Swefling Samuel.
-
Thanks findem,
Yes they were a prolific bunch, more Theobald's than tadpoles. Thanks for the info. It looks like a personal visit to Great Waldingfield is going to be required.
Best wishes,
BAT
-
I am just off to Great Waldingfield - calling on my father ;)
The Church of St Lawrence is only open from 2 - 4 pm in the afternoon.
You are welcome to give me a call (I will PM you my details) when you decide to come and I will make sure of opening time (or arrange for a keyholder to meet you at the church).
The records for the church are at the SRO in Bury St Edmunds.
Best wishes, SM ...