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Can anyone tell me what information would be expected to be found on a typical marriage record from the 2nd Boardmills church in 1790?
Can anyone tell me where a copy of the church records might exist?
My 4G-grandfather James McFarlin/McFarland married Isabel Martin in the above church in 1790.
I’m looking for place of birth or parents names; anything that would give me a lead to the next generation back.
Thanks
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Afraid I don't know what the 2nd Boardmills church is, but I have a copy of an entry from a marriage in 1790 in a Parish Church in Surrey which reads:
<Names> of th<is> Parish ..... were Married in this <church> by<banns>this <date> Day of <month>in the Year One Thousand <number>Hundred and <number>By me <name of person who performed ceremony>
This Marriage was solemnized between Us <two lines for signatures> in the Presence of <two lines for witnesses signatures>
It's a standard looking printed page with space to fill in the details.
Irish records may be completely different - I don't know ...
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Thank you Ruskie, that would give me something to start with
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Sorry, but I reckon your church didn’t exist in 1790.
From Ros Davies freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BanBy.htm#Bo
Boardmills {civil parish of} Killaney 20: 35/60 small village in Carrickmaddyroe townland ; half way between Saintfield & Lisburn; click here to see its location on a map; there was a Reading Scoiety here in 1830; school: 2 Presbyterian churches here; Temperance fete 17 Jul 1886 V12 p101 OSM; SHM ;86 p 45; DR; GIPR
Ros says under her Churches section
2nd Presbyterian Church, Boardmills at the western end of the street. The congregation separated from First Boardmills Presbyterian in 1809
Records available are baptisms 1836- 1866, try www.familysearch.org Batch #C700091; graveyard attached, gravestone inscriptions UHF Vol 2; The oldest stone in the graveyard dates from 1821 ; email me for a gravestone look-up or pay per view gravestone inscriptons on www.irishgenealogy.ie
Surely you need First Boardmills Presbyterian records about which she says
Baptisms 1782- 1889, marriages 1782- 1844 & 1851-1870, try www.familysearch.org Batch # C700011; graveyard nearby, gravestone inscriptions UHF Vol 2;oldest date of death on a headstone is 1778; email me for a gravestone look-up or pay per view gravestone inscriptons on www.irishgenealogy.ie
Switching to Ros surname listings, she doesn’t have McFarl…. In Killaney parish and she has one martin mention.
Miss Mary MARTIN . Killaney wife of William Kidd ; mother of Sarah b. 3 Jan 1854 & twins, Agnes & David b. 19 Oct 1855 & Thomas Hall Kidd b. 11 Nov 1857 & Elenor b. 22 Aug 1860 (all bapt. Boardmills Presbyterian Church) PR
I had a look at PRONI leaseholders and Griffiths valuation heads of households about1860 but didnt see either surname in the parish. Familysearch seems the most promising source, but i reckon you have been there. Good luck onwards, Jim
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Thanks for all that info.
I have a piece of data where the marriage is said to be at the 2nd Boardmills in 1790, but obviously that info is incorrect.
Another piece of data gives the marriage in the parish of Boardmills and the comune of Saintfield
Maybe it should read the 2nd Saintfield. The couple had at least two children baptised here: Robert 07/12/1792 and Isabel 7/9/1795. The location for the births reads... Birth: Presbyterian, Boardmills, Down, Ireland. On Robert's cemetery record it states: Place of birth - Saintfield
What I'm after is finding a clue to James' place of birth or parents names.
Do you have access to Sainfield records?
If so would you mind to look up the marriage there for me?
Thanks again for this.
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Afraid I don't know what the 2nd Boardmills church is, but I have a copy of an entry from a marriage in 1790 in a Parish Church in Surrey which reads:
<Names> of th<is> Parish ..... were Married in this <church> by<banns>this <date> Day of <month>in the Year One Thousand <number>Hundred and <number>By me <name of person who performed ceremony>
This Marriage was solemnized between Us <two lines for signatures> in the Presence of <two lines for witnesses signatures>
It's a standard looking printed page with space to fill in the details.
Irish records may be completely different - I don't know ...
Irish Presbyterian marriages are usually very different from English example above. Almost always (until start of civil registration in 1845) it was date, name of groom, name of bride, and names of two witnesses. Even after 1845 the mother's name was not shown on the marriage certificate.
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Hiya guys,
I've a problem here. The NI Libraries Catalogue shows that there's a book by A. McClelland titled "A Short History of Second Boardmills Presbyterian Church", which was published by Howard Publishers in 1963, on the shelves in the SELB. It should be on the shelves in the SEELB which is in Ballynahinch. I'll call in the branch Library after two o'clock and look into this matter.
Christopher
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According to A History of Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland 1610-1982 says 2nd Boardmills asked for 'supply of sermons' in 1811 but the 1st minister was ordained in 1816.
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Saintfield churches all listed with known records on Ros Davies website a sample. In 1792, the minister of 1st Presbyterian Saintfield, Rev. Thomas Leslie Birch, formed the first Society of United Irishmen in Co. Down in his manse, which he renamed Liberty Hall. Many parishioners objected to his political sermons and left to join Boardmills church & others formed the Secession Church in 1796 (now 2nd Presbyterian Church). Good luck, Jim
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According to A History of Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland 1610-1982 says 2nd Boardmills asked for 'supply of sermons' in 1811 but the 1st minister was ordained in 1816.
Have you got a copy of that book, aghadowey ???
Chris
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Yes, Christopher, I have both the book and the index to it published later.
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Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me which church is being referenced from the items below?
From the IGI...
1790 Presbyterian, Boardmills, Down, Ireland Batch M700011
07 DEC 1792 Robert McFarlin Birth Presbyterian, Boardmills Down Ireland
Parents: James McFarlin and Isabel Martin Batch C700011
I think it now must be 1st Presbyterian, but is it Boardmills or Saintfield?
Can anyone tell me where the original records might be held?
Does anyone have access to these records? If so is it possible to look up for some other children with parents Robert and Isabel?
Thanks
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Am assuming you got your information from www.familysearch.org
If you go to the page for Robert McFarlin's birth and click on SOURCE it will list the information below.
LDS has 1st Boardmills Presbyterian Church 1782-1889 (typescript):
Contents: Births, 1782-1889, with Second Boardmills baptisms, 1856-1866 [1 page only, with 2 marriages] -- Marriages 1782-1844 -- Irregular marriages 1784-1842.
FHL BRITISH Film 823750 Item 1
You can order this film from your local LDS library for a small fee.
LDS site does not list anything for Saintfield Presbyterian Church for correct dates that I can see.
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Thanks aghadowey. I have looked at that file and it is typewritten. This is how it reads...
1790 James McFarlin (irreg)
No spouse, no witnesses, no date. I just thought I might be able to find something from another source.
I determined the spouse from subsequent births of their children Robert and Isabel
Does anyone know what "irreg" means?
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If it's a marriage 'irreg' might mean an irregular marriage (ie one not recognised by the church) but there should be a spouse listed. It is possible, if it is a marriage, that the bride's name could not be read or was missing from record. Have seen a few early marriages in other churches when space for either bride or groom was left blank and suspect that minister didn't know the name at the time he was recording the marriage.
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Yes, Christopher, I have both the book and the index to it published later.
Thanks aghadowey.
I didn't realise there was an index. I must mention it to the Ballynahinch library as they appear
to have only the book in their reference section. What's the date of publication of the index?
Chris
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subtitle is A Supplement of Additions, Emendations and Corrections with an Index. Published 1996.
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Thanks aghadowey.
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Makes sense
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Thanks to you all on this subject - I also got some further info from Ros.
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A Big Thank You to you all. The information you gsve me lead me to a further generation back in my family tree.
Thanks again