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Title: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Elton on Friday 10 August 07 20:18 BST (UK)
Can someone help please...I have Frederick Hall born 1842c (British Subject)France.He married Edner Litchfield in Nottingham 1863.Would this mean his father ??? was in the army? if so where do I find his Birth Certificate.
Regards
Janice.
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Isobelruss on Friday 10 August 07 20:57 BST (UK)
Have you got the census returns for this family.On 1851 they are in Nottingham and Thomas ,Fredericks father is a lace maker

Thomas Hall 33 lace maker b Nottingham
Harriet 33 wife lace maker b ditto
Ellen 13 dau lace clipper b Sneinton Notts
Frederick 10 son scholar b France British subject
Ann 7 dau scholar b France British subject
Jane 5 dau b Nottingham
Harriet 2 dau b Nottingham
Colwick Street Sneinton Notts
HO107 2130 fol 168 p 27
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Elton on Friday 10 August 07 21:34 BST (UK)
Hi Isobel,
Thankyou no I hadn't got the census,thats just the sort of info I was looking for.I presume his father was in the army in France at his birth.
Thank you again
Janice
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: mosiefish on Friday 10 August 07 22:25 BST (UK)
Hi,

I wouldn`t assume that Thomas was in the Army.  At the back of my mind I am sure that some Nottingham Lace Manufacturers set up business in the early 19c in Calais, France (and probaby other places too).  Also Nottingham Lace makers went out there to work.

Regards,
Mo
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Heather D on Friday 10 August 07 22:33 BST (UK)
Indeed ....just prior to the French Revolution of 1848 there were several thousand English living and working in the Calais lace industry, many of them from Notts. A quick google should tell you their story!
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Elton on Friday 10 August 07 22:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

Interesting info,where would I find Fredericks birth certificate ??

Regards
Janice
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Elton on Friday 10 August 07 22:47 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone,

You learn something new every day,have just taken a look on Google never knew about Nottingham workers going over to Calais with the lace.I was barking up the wrong tree with the army.
Thanks everyone
Janice.
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Sherwood on Tuesday 28 August 07 21:00 BST (UK)
I have an ancestor in the lace trade who was apparently from Lyon (or is it Lyons?), France.  This was another centre of the lace industry with connections to Nottingham.  Not sure whether he was originally from Lyon or perhaps the family moved there from Nottingham.

Sherwood.
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: Zara567 on Wednesday 17 March 21 15:25 GMT (UK)
This is one of my great grandfathers, I've also been researching him and trying to work out why they were in France. This thread has been so helpful!
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: greyingrey on Sunday 11 April 21 16:03 BST (UK)
just one thing Elton....can you let me know if Frederick turns out to have had a relative, Elizabeth hall, who lived in Burton Joyce, nottm...ill let. you know if. I come across Frederick

im struggling to find out where her fathers roots were...theres a. sneinton and cowlick connection with her husband, so you never know
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: greyingrey on Sunday 11 April 21 16:29 BST (UK)
her fathers name was Henry ....Elizabeth was born in the 1890s
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: larkspur on Tuesday 13 April 21 11:29 BST (UK)
There is a Henry Hall and wife Mary baptising children in Burton Joyce from 1823... They do have a Henry  25 Jan 1835 as well as John 1823 buried at 4 weeks. Sarah 1824 Mary 1826 buried aged 23. Elizabeth 1828 Ann 1831 buried at 9 months. Hannah 1832 buried aged 7. Henry 1835 Samuel 1839 buried at 4 months.

Marriage B.J. 13 May 1822 Henry Hall and Mary Rockley

Burial B.J. 8 Nov 1845 Henry Hall aged 55
2 Aug 1858 Mary Hall aged 64

Hope this is a help and has not confused things further!
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: greyingrey on Tuesday 13 April 21 15:54 BST (UK)
thank you Larkspur...I. live in a constant state of confusion, anyway.

where did people find out about notts lace workers going to calais...are there any books or articles

thanks
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: jayaygee on Tuesday 13 April 21 18:35 BST (UK)
Frederick Hall's birth is recorded here in the town of St Pierre-lès-Calais:

https://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ad62/visualiseur/etat_civil.html?id=262226469

Entry n° 139

Father: Thomas HALL aged 23, tulle worker
Mother: recorded as Henriette GOODHALL, aged 23, his wife
Frederick born 9 May 1841 at 2 o'clock in the morning at home (29 rue Neuve)
Witnesses: Richard ATKIN, aged 29 and Henry EKINS (?), both tulle workers living in St Pierre-lès-Calais
                     
Title: Re: Frederick Hall 1842 Born in France!!
Post by: greyingrey on Wednesday 14 April 21 14:47 BST (UK)
and they say germans are obsessed with time...you even know. exactly when Frederick was born