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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Davronab on Wednesday 08 August 07 17:32 BST (UK)
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This is a very long shot but someone might possibly have some bright ideas for me :)
My gt gt grandfather John Moran b 1847ish came to Doncaster from Mayo Ireland in the 1860's.With his wife they had four children and three were named after grandparents that I know of.
I know that his father was also called John Moran and from Mayo.
By deduction I assume John Mayo Senior had a wife called Florence Anne
How do I find any more information? I have checked all English census and baptism records that I can find but no joy.
Help please!
Cheers me dears, V.
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What in particular are you wanting to find out? Are you trying to trace forwards? If not then you need to be looking at County Mayo. Give us some idea what it is your looking for and I am sure one of us could help especially as I am in Doncaster and spend more time than I care to imagine at the local archives
Rob
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My gt gt grandfather John Moran b 1847ish came to Doncaster from Mayo Ireland in the 1860's.With his wife they had four children and three were named after grandparents that I know of.
I know that his father was also called John Moran and from Mayo.
By deduction I assume John Mayo Senior had a wife called Florence Anne
How do I find any more information? I have checked all English census and baptism records that I can find but no joy.
If there was a child called Florence Anne don't assume one of the grandmothers was also called Florence Anne. Florence is not a common Irish Christian name (although my great-aunt was Florence Kelly but born 1890s) in early 1800s. Grandmother might have been called Anne/Nancy/Agnes (used interhangeably in Ireland) and they used it as a middle name.
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Well , youngest daughter Catherine (mas's ma Catherine)
Youngest son John (da's da John)
Oldest son James (ma's da James)
Oldest daughter Florence Annie ( da's ma ??? Florence Anne?).
I now that there are Irish naming conventions that some families follow.
If John Moran elder married an Anne in Mayo I think my task is impossible - commonest names in the world.
Ah well.
Thanks V
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First of all, Irish naming pattern is: 1st son after father's father, 2nd son after mother's father, 3rd son after father then on to great-grandfathers, uncles, etc. For girls it is: 1st mother's mother, 2nd father's mother, 3rd mother...
Another thing which can throw off the naming pattern is naming next child after a relative who's just died. Still think Florence is unlikely for woman born early 1800s.
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Naming paterns are not worth following anyway the instances of them being used are very slim
Rob
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Certain families seemed to stick with them for generations and other families didn't bother. I was just clarifying something veronica mentioned.
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Yes I know I was just adding my own view on them. Of course my own research and those I have done research for are only a small fish of info in a large pond so I may be totally wrong
Rob
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Thanks anyway chums - that was my last slim thread. :(
My grandad was born in 1878 and his older sister Florence Annie in 1876. Grandad died 1950 and all his siblings evaporated around 1901 , so no-one to ask.
Just a crying shame the Irish censuses didn't survive.
Ta to all V
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Think the only way you can verify a naming pattern is to compile a large family tree for at least several generations with all branches traced- a bit like locking the barn door after the horse has bolted.
Back to this question:
What in particular are you wanting to find out? Are you trying to trace forwards? If not then you need to be looking at County Mayo. Give us some idea what it is your looking for and I am sure one of us could help especially as I am in Doncaster and spend more time than I care to imagine at the local archives
Rob
It's still not clear whether you are trying to trace family in England or Ireland.
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Sorry - I am looking in Ireland. Trying to go back from 1870ish.
The English census has my gt grandfther John Moran from 1871 onward and he gave his father as John Moran deceased when he married in 1875.
ohn Moran junior was on his own in 1871, lodging and only a humble iliterate labourer. No clues I'm afraid.
V
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Hello V. You need to see if your gt. g.father had any other family in the UK, who may perhaps have stated their townland on census or other documents. Where did John's wife come from? If she was Irish, she also could have been from the Mayo area. You won't get immediate answers. Looking in Ireland for ancestors can sometimes be like looking for a needle in a haystack. You need to exhaust every avenue. Otherwise start off with these websites:
www.familysearch.org
Griffiths Valuation which was a land valuation around 1850s has an index at :
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
1901 Leitrim Roscommon has a fully transcribed index for Mayo: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census
There are so many sites for County Mayo but you need to 'google' to find them. Moran was a very common name in Mayo, so it does not make life easy, but don't give up, and don't assume anything - take it from one who has found out the hard way. Keep digging and something will come up somewhere along the line. There are no qucik fixes when it comes to searching in Ireland. If you live near a Latter Day Saints Family History Centre make use of their facilities. Good luck in your search.
Dee
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Thanks Dee - no other family at all . Wife Bridget Morris was daughter of James Morris of Creeve and Catherine Glancey of Kinmore( courtest 1861 census). Bridget and John met and married in Doncaster. All the info I have comes from census and BMD. No living relatives have any idea where the family come from.
I am waiting for the Time Machine to be developed - I have a list of questions ready!!
:)
V
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Hello V. Don't talk to me about time machines - I've been waiting on one for years!!! Just a thought - on the earliest census (1861?), do the people on either side of John show their birth towns/counties/? . If some were from Mayo, did they specify their townlands? I found that a lot from a certain area congregated together - safety in numbers I guess!! Just a thought.
best regards
Dee
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Yarrgh!! Yes they did - and they said ( yes you've guessed it ) Mayo. I bet they really told the enumerators a long tale about the hard life over the water and the beauty of the hometown, gave a full family tree and history and opened a bottle. Next day enumerator wakes up and writes...... Mayo.
I have a wonderful picture in my mind.
As a cautionary tale - I have spent some hours searching for " The Public Benefit Book Company " in Birmingham - my grandfather was manager there in 1916. I had an earnest mental image of him helping to bring learning and enlightenment to the working class of the midlands. Back to earth with a bump as I find "The Public Benefit Boot Company" which fits far better with my knowledge of my grandfathers past as a bankrupt bootmaker.
It pays to rein in the imagination.
But thank you , it is a good idea and I will search surrrounding census mates more closely again. Things often come to light on a second or third look.
Cheers :)
V