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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Hootsman on Saturday 04 August 07 17:30 BST (UK)
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Thanks to Tidybooks and Joekar - Thanks Guys! - I have managed to get up and running with tracing the routes of the Somerville side of my family and have downloaded a wealth of information from scotlandspeople. However, I am having a bit of a problem finding census data to help identify the children from my great grand father's family back. If anyone can help with census info I would appreciate the help.
My Grandfather; Joseph Somerville lived at 30 Annfield Street, Glasgow on and around 1901
In 1922 my grandfather Joseph Somerville and his wife Catherine (who died in January 1922) lived at 34 Rochester Street, Glasgow. He died Jan 1939.
My Great Grandfather John Somerville, lived at 49 Greenvale Street, Glasgow with his wife Isabella (nee Douglas) after his marriage on 31st Dec 1861.
Finger's Crossed - Hootsman
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not sure if this is the sort of info. you are after
1871 census
john age 36. occ. iron mondler (could be iron moulder)
isabella age 30.
elizabeth age 15. occ. cotton power loom weaver.
george age 13. paper tube cutter.
john age 8..
david age 3,
james age 6.
douglas age 7mnths.
living at 44 greenvale street,glasgow,lanarkshire.
all born in glasgow.
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possibly your g-g-grandfather
1841
thos somerville age 30. b. lanarkshire. occ. engineer.
mrs. somerville age 30. b. lanarkshire.
john somerville age 6. b. lanarkshire.
thos somerville age 4. b. lanarkshire.
janet cavins age 30. b. out of county. occ. f.s.(could be female storekeeper)
chas brown age 25. b. out of county. occ. storekeeper.
living at robertson street,glasgow st. peter,lanarkshire.
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hi john,
1901 census- 19 sydney street, dennistoun
john...age 65
joseph...age 23...labourer
william...age 20...foundry labourer
1891 census- 42 young street, gorbals
john...age 55...iron moulder
watson...age 16...labourer
joseph...age 13
william...age 11
1881 census- 48 florence street, gorbals
john...age 45...iron moulder
isabella...age 40
john...age 18...iron moulder
james...age 16
david...age 13
douglas...age 10
watson...age 6
joseph...age 3
william...age 2 months
1861 census- 35 young street, calton
john...age 26...iron moulder
igi's say the children of john and isabella
somerville children
john...born 26/8/1862
james...born 31/8/1864
agnes...born 26/3/1868
david...born 13/3/1868
douglas...born 25/2/1871
watson hamilton...born 7/6/1874
Joe
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Thanks a million wozzle and Joe.
Hope you enjoyed your birthday Joe. All of the info you have given looks spot on.
Wozzle - I'm not sure about the Lanarkshire info in the 1841 census, but will get my thinking cap on.
Thanks again.
John
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hi john,
if you have the marriage cert from 1861 what are the parents names?
1901 census- 25 slatefield street, dennistoun
david...age 33...carpet factory labourer
jane...age 24...yarn winder
john...age 4
alexander...age 2
diana k...age 1
watson...age 27...yarn bundler
Joe
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hi john
we need to sort out elizabeth somerville who appears as john's daughter in the 1871 census, i have her living with her uncle james smith in the 1861 census age 5.
the reason being is that on the 1901 census douglas is living with john mclintock and elizabeth, douglas is noted as brother in law? any ideas?
Joe
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1891 census- 2 kirk street, camlachie (boarding with maggie drummond)
james...age 25...iron moulder
david...age 23...labourer in tannery
1901 census- belvidere hospital, london road
james ...patient...age 37...iron moulder
Joe
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okay john,
think i have solved the mystery of the 1861 census...
james smith married elizabeth somerville 9/11/1860 in glasgow, can easy assume that this is the sister of your john.
1861 census- 98 green street
james...age 28...cotton weaver...born paisley
elizabeth...age 23
elizabeth somerville...niece...age 5
george...nephew...age 3
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for your continued vigilance. I have just opened up after completing the hoovering up - I hate it! But it is one of my chores and I just have to get on with it.
Well, Joe - you've opened up another can of worms, but it is interesting and it looks like you are correct.
After digesting the information received on Saturday, I had thought that Elizabeth may have been born out of wedlock but it looks like you have solved the problem.
You asked about the 1861 marriage cert: John Someville married Isabella Douglas on 31st Dec 1861 and the residence given in the register is; 49 Greenvale Street, Glasgow (this may have been misinterpreted when entered and was actually No. 44 Greenvale Street). John's father and mother were George Someville and Margaret Somerville nee Heally. Isabella's father and mother were Agnes (poor writing here but it looks like Agnes) Douglas and George Douglas.
The mysteries now are: What happened to wee Agnes Somerville born 26/03/1868. She was born before the 1861 census but does not appear on the 1871 census. Did she die before the age of 5? This I am trying to find out and will probably go for a death certificate search and a download.
The other mystery is; I always remember my mother telling me that my gradfather Joseph Somerville was killed at the Ibrox Park disaster - there were 2. Since he was married to Caroline, his second wife in 1926, it was obviously not the 1st Ibrox disaster, which happended in 1901 and it could not have been the 2nd, since it occurred in 1971. So! I managed to locate and downloaded his death details. Joseph died on 4th January 1939 at the Victoria Infirmary, Cathcart, Glasgow from a falling injury where he sustained a fracture to the 6th and 7th Cervical Vertebrae - this sounds like a crushing to me! So, I then searched the net for info on football incidents around the date of his death to find that the traditional new years football game with Rangers and Celtic was held on 2nd January 1939 at Ibrox Park, 2 days before his death. I now think that it was not a disaster but that he may have been killed in a crowd crush. I have therefore emailed a site maintained by the University of Glasgow which holds records of all kinds of medical situations etc., from the Victoria hospital and other Scottish medical institutions. Fingers crossed that they reply and solve this one.
Thanks again Joe,
Kind Regards,
John
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The mysteries now are: What happened to wee Agnes Somerville born 26/03/1868. She was born before the 1861 census but does not appear on the 1871 census. Did she die before the age of 5? This I am trying to find out and will probably go for a death certificate search and a download.
Hi John,
Gonna check the dates on this quote, I make these wee mistakes as well.
Tom
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Hi John & Joekar,
It was a typo by Joekar, on a earlier post he typed a 8 instead of a 6. So correct DOB is 26th March 1866.
That clears up that.
Tom
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Hi John and all,
I have searced for a death of Agnes Somerville on SP, between dates of 1866 and 1871, and ages 0 to 5, and get 5 returned. When I put in County- Lanarkshire that goes down to 4, when I put in district - Bridgeton returns 1, I would search the 5 and confirm the Bridgeton death there first before downloading.
Tom
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Hi John,
Re Joseph Somerville and injuries received in 2nd January 1939 - go to Scotsman Archives
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tg/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tg/) and you will see a heading
"Crushing at Ibrox" The Scotsman - 3rd January 1939 Page: 10 Word Count: 1,426
Could well be worth taking a short subscription. Or can some kind soul help us out.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
What can I say! Your a champ. If it were not for you and Joe I would be at this for a long time.
Your help is very much appreciated.
Kind Regards,
John
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Hi Again Tom,
I have downloaded the article in the Scotsman and it does name my grandfather as one of the injured. It states that he was taken to hospital with probable concussion and that later that night he was reported as being very ill. In fact he died 2 days after the incident. At least there is no more mystery. I'll bet my mother (now deceased) thinks all her secrets had died with her - unbelievable!
I also downloaded Agnes Somerville's death certificate. The poor wee thing was 4 months old when she died of pneumonia.
Sad as it is these unfortunate things happened back then, but it is all good information to pass on to my children and grandchildren.
Kind Regards,
John
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hi john, tom
george married margaret heally on the 29/6/1834 glasgow.
1841 census- coatbridge
george...age 25...moulder
margaret...age 25
john...age 5
elizabeth...age 3
george...age 1
agnes heally...age 55
joseph heally...age 40
margaret heally...age 15
1851 census- 77 taylor street, glasgow
george...age 40...moulder...born shotts
margaret...age 36....born ireland
john...age 15...moulder
elizabeth...age 13
george...age 11
david...age 5
james...age 3
agnes...age 9 months
agnes heally...age 60...domestic duties
1861 census- 13 parson street, glasgow
george...age 50...iron moulder
mary...age 35
david...age 15...iron moulder
watson h...age 1
stilll searching
Joe
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hi john, tom
george (son of george) married jane sinclair 4/12/1863 bridgeton
somerville children from marriage
george...born 27/10/1864
james...born 1/6/1866
jane...born 2/5/1868
archibald sinclair...born 7/5/1870
john...born 3/8/1872
sinclair...born 24/9/1874
1861 census- 157 high street, glasgow (boarding with david kelly's family)
george...age 20...apprentice moulder
1871 census- 24 backland, calton
george...age 30...iron moulder
jane...age 29
george...age 6
james...age 4
1881 census- camlachie, glasgow
george...age 40...iron moulder
jane...age 40
george...age 16...iron moulder
james...age 14
elizabeth...age 3
1891 census- 22 east st. john street, camlachie
jane...age 50...church cleaner
george...age 26...ironmonger's porter
james...age 24...bottle capper
elizabeth...age 13...mother's helper
1901 census- 22 east st.john street, camlachie
jane...age 60
george...age 36...ironmonger's warehouseman
james...age 24
Joe
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hi john, tom
john can you get the death cert for your isabella douglas and confirm her parents for me please
Joe
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Hi Joe,
I dont really understand your last 3 posts, lots of info, but are you sure they are somervilles? Sorry not too long up and head is not quite alert yet.
Tom
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hi tom,
post 9 refers to the parents.
joe
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Hi Joe and Tom,
I know you'll think I'm a Pratt, but I've just noticed there is a second page and I have just read over your replies.
Joe,
I have the marriage registration details of John Somerville and Isabella Douglas, which shows the parents of Isabella Douglas as George Douglas and Agnes Douglas nee (looks like) Donald. The writing is pretty poor!
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hi rita,
what address do you have for the bride?
joe
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Hi Joe and Tom,
Ooops! Just realized that I replied to you guys when my wife Rita was logged on, hence the Casitaraj reference. So the post by Casitaraj was actually from me.
Rita is English and is trying to establish her family history to include in my tree, but the help south of the border (Lincolnshire) does not compare with you guys. Not to be discouraged, she will stick with it though.
Sorry looks like my system logged me in automatically as one of my friends who was using my PC earlier, BUT IT IS ME "Hootsman" honest!
I think I need a holiday.
Kind Regards,
John