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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: mhrjh14 on Saturday 04 August 07 15:08 BST (UK)
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Hello. I have and Elizabeth married to Joseph Copeland whose place of birth in the 1861 census is given as Attrick Cumberland and in the 1851 as Uttrick. The only place that I can find which might fit is Ettrick in Scotland but would be grateful if anyone with a better knowledge of Cumberland could shed some light? Her husband was born in Wetheral (I think! difficult writing in census) and her sons in Hesket before they moved to Durham. ??? :DThank you Maggie
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and in the 1851 as Uttrick.
1851 census seems to give the birthplaces of Joseph and Eliz COUPLAND as Wedrel
I agree 1861 says Attrick - no idea where it could be.
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Yes I saw Wedrel but assumed it was Wetheral...is there a Wedrel?
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hi maggie
i have looked on local maps of cumbria and there are no such places as attrick or uttrick. there is a village called wetheral about 5 miles from carlisle if you go to www.visitcumbria.com you will be able to see photos and info on village i hope this helps a little
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Thank you...yes I've seen that :D
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I have been through Old maps and no such places
This is a good site www.old-maps.co.uk
Oh ! ??? ???
whats happened here not come up highlighted
Give it a try
Elizabeth
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woops it has
Elizabeth
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1861 image clearly says Wetheral. I expect Attrick is a small hamlet somewhere in that area. They obviously lived there for a while as the first children were born in that area too.
I cannot find a large scale map of that bit - every other area in the country just about but not there!
Andrea
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Thank you Elizabeth. Great site ...my husband loves old maps so will be delighted with it!. Thanks for your comment Andrea...I did wonder if there was a place called something like Attrick or Uttrick in the area...maybe a local person would know? ...but as the census was taken in Durham where they wouldn't know Cumbria then the ennumerator may have just written what he thought he heard and it could be anywhere!! I can't find any records of the christening of Joseph though the Wetherel records are on the IGI....maybe they were non-conformist? Oh well.... :(
Maggie
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I know it's not much help with Elizabeth's birthplace, but is this the family on the 1841 census?
Whickam, Durham
Joseph Coupetain 35 Ag Lab
Elizabeth " " 25
William " " 5
Joseph " " 3
Jane " " 9 months
They are living at Low ?? I can't make it out.
I've looked at all kinds of maps and genuk etc, but can't find anything that even resembles Attrick/Uttrick. Could she have been saying Hesketh maybe, and was heard wrongly?
Rosemary
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hi maggie
there is a low row near hesket newmarket dont know if this helps
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Low Row is on the A69 between Brampton and Greenhead
If that is any help
Elizabeth
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Have not tried this before so here goes
Elizabeth
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used the www.oldmap.com
Elizabeth 8) 8) 8)
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Hi
Not sure if I'm confused here but Whickham, Durham is nowhere near the the A69 between Brampton and Greenhead.
Whickham is just to the West of Gateshead :-\
Gadget
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Just had a look on the census image. It's Low Team - now the Team Valley area :)
Low Team, Dunstan, Whickham, Durham
Gadget
Could the original queried place be Orton Rigg, SW of Carlisle?
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Sorry, my fault :)
I didn't make myself clear. On the 1841 census, they are actually living at Whickam, Durham. So the Low ??? would be in Durham, not near Wetheral.
I think you probably have it there Gadget. Orton Rigg, said with a Cumbrian accent to a Durham person could have sounded like 'Attrick/Uttrick'.
Rosemary
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there is low hesket on the A6 between penrith and carlisle. just a thought but could attrick or uttrick be the name of a house or farm etc
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hi maggie
there is a low row near hesket newmarket dont know if this helps
Gadget ,
I was on the understanding someone was looking for Low Row a place in Cumberland
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth :)
I think there was some confusion :-\
Rosemary (subaru) found a possible for the family in 1841 living at Low ?, Whickham, Durham. Then bingorudd suggested Low Road.
Neither postings referred to the original Cumberland place name so I just wanted to clarify things.
Regards
Gadget
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No Worries as they say in Australia
Gadget I had missed a few messages from other people and just took it we were still in Cumberland
Elizabeth
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Just a thought - can you get any of their birth certificates which may give the place name more accurately.
Judy
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Thank you to all who have replied here...sorry i didn't get back sooner...been on holiday! Thanks especially to Gadget... I think its very likely to be Orton Rigg...right area, near enough to Wetheral where her husband was from. The Great Orton records are on the IGI but sadly she didn't seem to marry there so may be another brick wall till I can find her maiden name...still I'll know where to look now. :D
Rosemary....Yes that was the right 1841 address...they moved to Durham between 1838 and 1840.
Judy.....Elizabeth was born in c 1794 so before birth certs, but thanks to all for your suggestions.
Maggie
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If you get a birth cert of one of the later (after 1837) COPELAND children, it will give the mother's maiden name. That may enable you to find the baptism of a suitable Elizabeth on the IGI.