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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: alan w jones on Saturday 04 August 07 14:48 BST (UK)
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Hello ,
The lady on the left is wearing her late husbands medals here in 1923. We know from MIC and pension record that they are not WW1 .He was Thomas Pilkington 2883 . He was 42 in 1914. Any ideas very welcome.
Regards
Alan
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Alan,
What do you know about 2883 Thomas Pilkington, his unit and his service?
To be honest, I'd have to disagree with you (sorry). It looks to me like both ladies are wearing the War and Victory medals.
Neil
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Hello Neil,
I would like to agree with you but pension records in Ancestry suggest otherwise. He attested 9/9/14 in 4th Batt Manch. Rgt number 2883. He had served previously and was a special reservist. He was with 2nd East Lancs Field Company R E for 8 yrs number J4 2983. I am told they were a TF outfit .Thomas was discharge as medically unfit for duty after only4 months 11/1/15, so doubtful he went abroad.
Perhaps you see our problem now. I would not think the widow would wear someone elses medals .
Regards
Alan
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Perhaps we need the Manch Regt experts to take a look at Thomas Pilkington.
The first medal has a straight suspender and the second a ring suspender. I'm not sure the ring suspender in particular can realistically be anything else than the Victory, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. :)
One explanation could be that she's wearing the medals of a brother or other relative? Perfectly possible. Just a thought.
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These are British War and Victory Medals, no doubt about that.
What does the MIC show?
Steve
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Hello Neil,
I have been in touch with John Hartley {off forum} and he has been a big help, but is not too knowledgable on medals. It is perfectly possible that she may be wearing another relatives medals I guess. Not too sure where to go from here, if anywhere . The other lady seems to have identical medals so I would not think they are too out of the ordinary.
Regards
Alan
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Hello Steve,
He does not have a MIC for the numbers which are on his pension records on Ancestry. He was only in 4 months though.
Regards
Alan
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I will also go for the BWM & VM. For both Lady's, If he was called up to the 4th (R) Battalion the Manchester Regt, this says he was an ex regular Manchester Regt soldier, & not a Royal Engineer, as he would have been called up by them (RE). Have you got the right soldier.
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Hello ,
Pilkington's grandaughter has looked at the 'info' in pension records and is convinced that relatives mentioned in these records are hers. I will try and send in a photo of him later, which if I remember right shows him wearing a RE badge .
Alan
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I was first sent this photo 12 months ago and looking back on advice given it was decided that he may have been a Driver in RE. See what you think. I have e-mailed Jean his grandaughter to ask again if she is 100% sure pension records are her grandfathers.
Alan
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The photo shows a RE (TF) soldier with the long service star(bottom right arm). In the pension records does it say he was in the RE (TF).
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In the pension records albeit under a rubber stamp saying Fulwood Barracks Depot, there is what looks like 2nd East Lancs Field Company RE of which he appears to have served for 8 yrs on answer no 11 of attestation form.
Alan
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I had a look at his service record, I would say in 1914 when he was discharge is right. However he may have rejoined at a later date. Possibly into the ASC/LC? because of his age, and then gone overseas with that unit. Its only a guess on my part.
You would need to go back to the Medal Index Cards & look at all of the Thomas Pilkington's. Who only have the British War Medal & Victory Medal. Once you have your list, you would need to go to WO363 service records & check them out to see if you find him. Also check out the other T.Pilkington's in WO364. And try the PINs
Pin 26 (Pension Case Files) in there are 22,756 personal files on people awarded or refused pensions from all services.
Pin 82 (Widows' & Dependants) pensions case files.
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Hello ,
A good idea , I just had a look at MIC's and noticed a Thomas Pilkington ASC Driver T4/275185, he also had a RE Driver 305726, you never know . I have asked Jean what she wants to do .
She tells me also that Thomas's son won BWM & V medal, I was wondering if his widow is wearing her sons medals ?
Alan