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Title: williams in Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Post by: pjaj on Saturday 04 August 07 00:02 BST (UK)
Joseph Williams b. abt. 1791 married Mary ? b. abt. 1791.

They had 3 known children, all born in Newcastle-under-lyme
Henry b. abt. 1828
Margaret b. abt. 1826
Emma b. abt.1831

Henry married Margaret Flett Leslie b 1830 Westray Orkney, Scotland, and in 1855 they were living in Birmingham where their son was born.

Do any of these people match your data?
I'm particularly interested in Joseph and Mary.
I have Margaret's parents.

Title: Re: williams in Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Post by: hepburn on Saturday 04 August 07 13:02 BST (UK)
IGI has a submitted entry

Maria Lewis marrying a Joseph Williams(born 1790)In 1823
Audley ..
Title: Re: williams in Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Post by: pjaj on Saturday 04 August 07 15:04 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks, it certainly looks like the most probable couple.
I'd missed them when I looked at the IGI site.
I didn't know their DoM and you get an awful lot of Josephs marrying Marys in a, say, 20 year span.
I suppose that there is no absolute guarantee that they got married in Staffordshire, particularly if Mary came from outside the county.

I've just had another go at searching for Joseph Williams marrying Mary ? in 1816 +/- 10 years (first child born in 1826) in Staffordshire, and there are 15 hits. 4 were the same marriage in 1806 which makes them too young, but the other 11 are possible.

Obviously the greater the difference between the marriage date and the DoB of their first known child reduces the likelihood. 16 years is a bit long, but older children could have left home by the 1841 census where I first found them. There is a marriage in 26/12/1810 in Newcastle-under-Lyme to Mary Worrall b. Abt. 1789, this Joseph has a DoB of Abt. 1785, but census DoB are notoriously inaccurate in 1841.

Discounting duplicate records and those prior to 1810 there are 8 possible distinct marriages, only 2 of which give the ages of the bride and groom, the 1810 marriage and the one you found.

Peter.
Title: Re: williams in Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Post by: hepburn on Saturday 04 August 07 15:37 BST (UK)
Hi Pete,
          I too saw the 1810 one to Mary Worral but discounted it, the  of the birth of Henry in 1828 seemed a long time for their first born,still if they had more,then it could be Mary Worrall...