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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Hackstaple on Tuesday 14 December 04 00:46 GMT (UK)
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With the aid of Rick I have managed to establish that the birthplace of my ancestor - maiden name Eliza Nethway - was Somersetshire, a theory shared also with my cousin some months back.
Looking through Ancestry and the IGI it would appear that the Somerset Nethways all came from Kenn or Yatton - very close to each other. Depending on how the census transcript is read she was born either about 1801 or 1811. She married in 1829 and in 1851 had a 3-year old daughter. That is why I incline towards the 1811 date.
A couple of hours on the Web turns up all sorts of references to the Parish Registers of both but I can find nowhere other than the Somerset County Library where they exist.
There is another Eliza Nethway born Yatton 1801 but she is a spinster still alive at 75 whereas my Eliza married Henry Demery Damry in London.
Can any member assist me with this in any way?
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Update on that. Cougar has been kind enough to read the census page again and the date of birth sets at 1800 to 1802.
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For what it's worth to you, Hackstaple, an ancestor of mine, Hannah Gould, bap 3/2/1801 in WsM, married a tailor John Neathway, born about 1801, on 1/3/1821 in WsM. They are both buried in St Mary's in Yatton.
They seem to have had at least 2 children, Henry bap 1/2/1822 in WsM and possibly Hannah, born about 1821
I'd be very interested in what you can tell me about this family, since this is all that I have. At a guess, there's a fair possibility that your Eliza and my John were bro & sis
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Hackstaple.
Are you still doing your NETHWAY ancestors and have you found out more?
YattonHarry
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I have replied in a PM to Harry. I am no further forward with clearly identifying Eliza's parents.
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I think that this maybe where your Eliza fits in. Right at the bottom of this tree.
First Generation
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1. John NETHWAY. Born abt 1750 The earliest Nethway livining in Yatton 1650 was a William.
In 1777 when John was 27, he married Hannah MARSHALL, in Kenn? Born in 1758 in Kenn? Died in Kenn? aged 64 in 1822.
They had the following children:
2 i. John (~1778-)
3 ii. Hannah (~1781-)
4 iii. William (1781-1831)
5 iv. Nancy (~1787-)
6 v. Betsey (~1789-)
7 vi. Mary (~1793-)
Second Generation
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2. John NETHWAY. Born abt 1778.
3. Hannah NETHWAY. Born abt 1781.
4. William NETHWAY. Born in 1781. Died in 1831, he was 50.1 Buried in 1831. Occupation: Ag.Lab.
Banns read at Yatton:Sun 5 Mar 1809: 12 Mar 2 April 1809 marr 16 Apr 1809. both x'd Wit: Thos Gallop: Wm Avery
On 16 Apr 1809 when William was 28, he married Hester BAKER, in Yatton. Born abt 1784. Buried in 1835.
They had the following children:
8 i. William (~1810-1858)
9 ii. Thomas (~1807-)
10 iii. Eliza (~1807-)
5. Nancy NETHWAY. Born abt 1787.
6. Betsey NETHWAY. Born abt 1789.
7. Mary NETHWAY. Born abt 1793 in Yatton.
Third Generation
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8. William NETHWAY. Born abt 1810 in Yatton. Died in Yatton in 1858, aged 49 years. Buried on 15 Jul 1858 in Yatton. Occupation: Railway Labourer.
On 7 Aug 1838 when William was 28, he married Eliza GOSLING, [MY GG Grandmother], daughter of Elisha GOSLING (1770-20 Apr 1855) & Sarah VOWLES (abt 1772-), in St Mary Redcliffe, Bristol. Born in 1807 in Yatton. Died in Horsecastle, Yatton, Soms. [GRO 5c 515] on 31 Mar 1883, she was 76. Buried in 1883 in Yatton. Occupation: Laundress. Eliza brought up my Great Grandfather Henry KNIGHT - her daughter's child.
They had the following children:
11 i. George (1838-1840)
12 ii. Amy Jane (1839-)
13 iii. Eliza Jane (1840-)
14 iv. William Henry (~1844-)
15 v. Charles Robert (1846-1870)
9. Thomas NETHWAY. Born abt 1807 in Kenn.
10. Eliza NETHWAY. Born abt 1807.
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Dear Yattonharry:
I am working on the Perris and Nethaway families of Yatton for a 4th cousin who is descended from Ellen Perris and Ephraim Blackmore of Congresbury. I am descended from Ephraim's sister Ann Blackmore. Am I right in my conclusion that this Ellen Perris was a daughter of Eliza Gosling and her first husband Robert Perris? Does that make you a relation of my 4th cousin Jane? If you would contact me directly, I can put you in touch with her:
Moderator Comment: email address removed, please use secure personal message system to share email addresses and other personal information. Thank You.
Also, I have ancestors from Kingston Bagpuize and Hinton Waldrist! Small world! Cheers, Thom [near Toronto, Canada]
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Hi Thom,
Can you PM me please with the email address and the I will look up Ellen Perris on my database. Thanks,
Jill
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Hi there Thom,
I have looked up Ellin and she is the sister of my gt gt grandmother!
Unless there is another! I did quite a lot of research into these families which are quite complex as you may see from the census. This was when I had to visit London or Bristol to view the census and go to Taunton for my summer holidays spent in the Record Office. The marriage of Eliza to Robert was really difficult to find and was only found in the Bishop's Transcripts.
On 23 Oct 1826 when Eliza was 19, she first married Robert PERRIS, GG Grandfather, in Bedminster Parish Church. Born abt 1800 in Soms/Gls. Died in Yatton in 1835, he was 35. Buried on 19 May 1835 in Yatton aged 35 yrs. [DRAT HIM !! died before the 1841 census!] Occupation: Ag. lab.
They had the following children:
2 i. William (1827-)
3 ii. Mary Ann (~1830-~1895)
4 iii. Ellen (1832-)
5 iv. Amelia (1835-)
On 7 Aug 1838 when Eliza was 31, she second married William NETHWAY, son of William NETHWAY (1781-1831) & Hester BAKER (abt 1784-), in St Mary Redcliffe, Bristol. Born abt 1810 in Yatton. Died in aged 49 years Yatton in 1858, he was 48. Buried on 15 Jul 1858 in Yatton. Occupation: Railway Labourer.
They had the following children:
6 i. George (1838-1840)
7 ii. Amy Jane (1839-)
8 iii. Eliza Jane (1840-)
9 iv. William Henry (~1844-)
10 v. Charles Robert (1846-1870)
HTH
Jill
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Hackstaple,
Could you let me have the census references please? I would really like to look at this and see if it is the same on as I have.
Thanks
YattonHarry
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Hello Hackstaple
Seen the replies, not sure how far you are on, can't help on Eliza but hope following helps:-
Mary Mason (www.portbury-hundred.co.uk) has Kenn Baptisms 1800-1812, no mention of NETHWAY but records very thin so perhaps not totally transcribed?
She also has Yatton Baptisms 1800-1812 (no NETHWAY's) and 1813-1820 transcribed.
I have St. Mary's Yatton Baptisms transcribed by Weston Super Mare FHS 1813-1825 (vol 1) 1826-1837 (Vol 2) & 1838-1851 (Vol 3)
In Vol 1 there are 8 NETHWAY Baptisms
Vol 2 None!!
Vol 3 there are 6 NETHWAY Baptisms
It appears your Eliza was not baptised in Yatton, but possibly Kenn (incomplete transcriptions?)
If you don't have and need individual baptism details from St. Mary's Yatton 1813-1851 let me know
Regards
Bryan
PS - St. Mary's Yatton still have original parish registers! Been there a couple of times on my ancestors (Avery's originating from Yatton mid 17th c.
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KC - thanks. We see Eliza, married to Henry Damry. born Somerset on the 1841 census, age 30. Eliza appears to be a popular Nethway name. My cousin spent some months trying to find her origins and any trace of her before her 1829 marriage. A variety of partial clues caused him to believe she came from Kenn or Yatton.
We cannot reconcile her with any of the earlier births as she had a 3 year old child in 1851. That is more consistent with a birth in 1811 than 1801. Of course, one must always take into account illegitimate grandchildren being described as Daughter or Son of the householder.
The name Damary variously appears as Damry, Demry and Demery before the first named spelling became standard in our family. Eliza is likely to have had a sister named Thamar who married William Fitch 11/6/1823 at Wanstead. Thamar was probably older - born C. 1804.
We have had contact with the charming Mary Mason who could not throw more light.
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Hackstaple,
I really want to help you with this, so can you send me the census reference please?
You wrote:-
We see Eliza, married to Henry Damry. born Somerset on the 1841 census, age 30. Eliza appears to be a popular Nethway name. My cousin spent some months trying to find her origins and any trace of her before her 1829 marriage.
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Her age at 30 in the 1841 census does not mean that she was actually 30 years old. All Adults over the age of 15 years - if the enumerator abided by the rules set for him - had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5. Your Eliza therefore could have been between 30 and 35 and would appear as 30.
She could have been born anywhere between 1806 [if actually 35 in 1841] and 1811 if she was 30. And that is IF she knew her actual age anyhow and gave the correct one too. There are loads of 'ifs' that you have to take account of. ;D ;)
You also say: Thamar was probably older - born C. 1804. - so your Eliza was younger than her???
I reckon she belongs to the Yatton/Kenn family myself.
YattonHarry
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Made an error here I think and arrived at duplicate messages. Please ignore - perhaps Admin will delete?
Thanks YH
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Sorry, my error. 1841 census records for the Paddington area are not available. We have them Henry and Eliza Damry in 1851 HO107/1467. Eliza is then shown as 50 but with a 3 year old child.
Eliza died in 1853.
Thamar Nethway married William Fitch at Wanstead 11 Jun 1823 [IGI]. We would not have associated these two ladies for sure but she and her husband were both dead by 1851 leaving their eldest daughter, Charlotte to mother various children. Charlotte and a younger sister appear with the Damrys at various times. Charlotte m. Smallman and Charlotte Smallman, her daughter, also guests with a Damary on one occasion.
I have not been able to find Thamar anywhere else but from the children's ages we know she was alive in 1847/8 but dead by 1851.
Due to the variety of spellings - Eliza, Elizabeth, Nathway, Nethway, Damry, Demery, Demery, Damary and Samuel Henry becoming Henry Samuel in later life it is quite hard to get to grips with this family at this period. It has prevented me from putting their documents in a tidy way.
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Ok that's the same one as I have and I have the 1861 as well - also the Pallot Index Marriage in 1829. Cannot make out where they married though - can you?
YH
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Eliza Nethway married Hy. [ Henry] Demrey at St James, Westminster, 19th October 1829 - the Pallotts record is indistinct but my cousin has seen the register itself. Note another aberrant spelling of Damary.
She died 7 Sep 1858 of TB probably as Eliza Damry, age stated as 54.
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Hi there, just found this board from GOSS surnames..please do tell if you are related to any Goss family please? I am of a HGoss link, originally they came from Devon England..great thanks Diane. :)
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Hello Diane, Sorry I am not related to GOSS and don't recall coming across them. Have you tried using FamilySearch for further details?
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Hello Diane, Sorry I am not related to GOSS and don't recall coming across them. Have you tried using FamilySearch for further details?
Hi, many thanks foryour quick reply..will keep looking then regards Diane.