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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: 1972beetle on Wednesday 17 March 04 14:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out the history of 3 particular pubs in Preston
as part of a project. Can anyone help ?
The three pubs are The Tithebarn, The Golden Cross hotel and the
Black A Moor hotel. They are due to be demolished as part of the
Tithebarn regeneration project.
Thanks, Steven
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Dear Steven,
I would like to help you with your research !
How much do you already know if anything about these public houses?
Regards
RootsChat
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Hi,
At the moment i dont know anything about the 3 pubs
so i need all the information i can get on their history.
The research is to back up my photographic project that
i am undertaking.
Many thanks, steven.
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Dear Stephen,
This is what I have managed to find out so far.....
I should say that the handwriting was very poor and very difficult to make out :-\
The Tithebarn at 27 Lord Street Preston
In the 1891 Census, 27 Lord Street is "The Imperial Hotel"
Residents: Richard Portman (It looks like!)
Head 43 Barman born in Cottam (I think)
Margaret Portman Wife 43 born in Preston
Lilly Banks Portman Dau 23 Cotton Weaver born
In Salford Lancashire
Annie Banks Portman 18 Cotton Weaver born in
Salford Lancashire
George Banks Portman 16 Cotton Weaver born
Salford
John Banks Portman 14 Scholar born in Salford
Nellis (looks like) Banks Portman 9 born in
Manchester.
I checked the Directory for 1855 and both these names were not listed.
It could however have been run as a beer house as there were many on the Lancaster Road in the 1850's
The Golden Cross 60 Lancaster Road Preston
In the 1881 Census, the address is 187 Lancaster Road.
Residents:
Richard FOXTON Head M Male 53 Richmond, York, England Inn Keeper
Jane FOXTON Wife M Female 51 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Richard R. FOXTON Son Male 14 Haywood, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary J. WALMSLEY Visitor U Female 17 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Scholar
John BRINDLE Boarder M Male 76 Preston, Lancashire, England Varnish Manfr (M F)
Harriet WATKISS Servant U Female 18 Lawleybank, Shropshire, England Genl Servant
Again this was not listed in the 1855 Directory.
Black A Moor Hotel 175 Lancaster Road Preston
(http://www.bestpubs.co.uk/data/images/113609o.jpg)
In the Local Directory for 1855 it is listed as the "Black A Moor Head" at the hands of James Smith.
In the 1891 Census the Residents are the Maison or Mason (I think)
James Maison Head 38 Manager of Public House born in Wrexham (I think)
Alice Maison Wife 27 born in Bedford Leigh Lancashire
James son 4 born in Bolton Lancashire
Blake son 2 born in Bolton Lancashire
Maud 10 Months born in Ashton Lancashire
Alice Smethurst Barmaid 29 born Lancaster
Ellen Manning Servant 25 born in Garstang
I shall go and do some more digging around.
If you get chance it is worth you going to the Library on Bow Street. If you ask to see the Local Directories you can check by year to see who was resident at the time and it may help you work out when these Public Houses were built.
It may also be possible to view old Photographs of these buildings at the Library.
RootsChat
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Thanks for that info! let me know if you find anymore.
I will go check the library in the next day or so, and will
let you know what i find.
cheers, steven.
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Hi, i was just wondering if anyone had any information on any of the pubs in Preston City Centre. I am doing a photography project and need some history on the pubs i am photographing.
In particular i am looking at the pubs that are on the side streets off Church Street and around that area.
These include The Wellington, Revolution, Ocean, The Voodoo, Hartleys Wine Bar, The Exchange, The Fox and Grapes, Angels and The Corn Exchange.
I am interested in anything to do with these pubs including if they were anything before being turned into pubs or bars.
If anyone has information i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks Matt.
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Hello Matt,
Is it possible you can provide me with addresses for the Pub's in question ???
RootsChat ;D
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I'm not actually sure of the street names that these pubs on. All i know is that they are on the side streets off Church Street. When i go back to Preston after the easter holidays i will find out.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Here we go, some addresses (which I hope I've searched right) to set the ball rolling, and a little historic info on The Corn Exchange too:
The Wellington Inn
40 Glovers Court
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3LS
Revolution Vodka Bar
1 Main Sprit Weind
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3XB
Ocean Bar & Grill
37 Cannon St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3NT
The Voodoo Lounge
16 Winckley St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2AA
Hartleys of Preston
7 Mount St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 8BS
(The Exchange not found)
The Fox & Grapes
15-16 Fox St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2AB
(Angels not found)
The Corn Exchange is now apparently called Assembly
The Assembly
Lune St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2NL
The Corn Exchange (or The Assembly):
(http://www.winckleysquare.org.uk/press_notices/images/corn_exchange.jpg) (http://www.winckleysquare.org.uk/press_notices/post20.html)
http://www.winckleysquare.org.uk/press_notices/post20.html
The Corn Exchange Preston
The Corn Exchange was opened in 1824 and originally included an open court yard.
In 1853, after major refurbishment, it was opened as the town’ first exhibition centre.
In 1882 it was transformed into a huge public hall.
The coat of arms of Preston, rescued from the old town hall of 1780, can be seen above the entrance way to The Assembly.
The statue outside commemorates the scene of an ugly demonstration which took place at 10am on Saturday August 13, 1842, when five striking cotton workers were killed by soldiers.
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1891 Census
The Fox & Grapes RG12/3441 110
15-16 Fox St
In 1891 number 15 was the Fox and Grapes public house.
Herbert Parry Head 38 Licensed Victualler born in Bristol Glouc
Elizabeth Wife 30 born in Preston Lancs
James E Son 5 born in Preston Lancs
Annie M Dau 4 Months born in Preston Lancas
Alice Walmsley Aunt 22 Barmaid born in Preston
number 16 and 17 was "**thorpe Hotel" (difficult to read)
Elizabeth "Comphall" (looks like) Widow 65 born in lytham
James Son 35 Licensed Victualler born in Preston
Thomas Son 27 born in Preston
Mary Hyde 1 born in Preston
also a female servant looks like Bergan aged 15 born in Lancashire.
Hartleys of Preston
7 Mount St RG12/3441 27-31
It was the homes address of Barthelemy Sailise 42 Steward of the Reform Club born in France
Rose Anna Adele Wife 34 born in France
Alice Rose Dau 11 born in W London
Harold Son 9 born in Brighton
Claude son 6 born in London
Glea dau 3 born in Preston
Alec Jean Son 5 months born in Preston
Elizabeth Murray Servant 70 Sicknurse born in Ireland
37 Cannon Street RG12/3441 21-22 Again this was still a homes address in 1891. The writing is very poor but the main house holder was Miss A Cooper 37 born in Durham with 2 female lodgers.
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Thanks very much for your help, i will be able to use that information in my project.
Thanks again, Matt!
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If anyone has any old photographs or articles featuring any of the pubs in preston that that would also be useful and i would be very greatful. Matt.
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Hi Matt,
I have checked the trade directories for Preston in 1855 and found a couple of interesting bit of imformation for you.
There were 2 public houses called the "Fox and Grapes" one in Fox Street run by Nancy Gent and one on Ribbleton Lane run by a Edward Rothersall.
I found the Wellington simply listed as "Wellington" in Glover's Court run by Henry Forshaw.
I had trouble reading the census for number 16 and 17 was "**thorpe Hotel"
well I had a look at all public houses in the area and could only find one which looked right but it did not give an address. It simply said "Rawthorne Arms" William Anderson.
Hope this helps
Sarah ;D
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Historical Directory of Preston
http://www.historicaldirectories.org
This site contains some directories that cover Preston, you can search by name or street.
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With regard to the Golden Cross Pub - in Preston. My ancestor Robert Gornall was the owner in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I believe it was in our family for 100 years or more. (I'm working on the early part of the family tree to see which pub was in the family in 1604 when Hugh Gornall of Preston was an ale house keeper). When Robert Gornall died about 1830, it passed out of the family. The building that is there now is not the original one. It is on the original site, but the place was rebuilt in Victorian Times. Robert Gornall was a Burgess with the Preston Guild Merchant and was registered with the Guilds of 1782, 1802 and 1822. As well as being an innkeeper, he was the Bailiff and a common councillor. Also the Billet Master.
Catherine Proctor
Gornall One Name Study
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I dont know if this is still relevant but one of my
Ancestors ran the Tithebarn Tavern on Tithebarn
Street (near Preston Bus Station) Preston, His
name was Henry Thompson.
The family still have a flagon from this public house
Henry was given it on his retirement!
It also calls the public house "The Bricklayers Arms"
Jinks
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Hi All,
I'm a new member researching my Cooper and Wilson family history in
the Preston area. Could I revive this thread on Preston pubs with a
request for info on the Greyhound Inn on London Road? One of my
great grandfathers ran this pub around 1850. I've learned that the
pub might still be standing as the Greyhound Hotel. Any help is much
appreciated!
(Addendum: Came across this website that lists quite a few pubs currently
active in Preston:
http://www.pubutopia.com/pubs/P/Preston/index.html
Has thumbnails and links to owners. Regards, Whiskyjack)
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In the 1881 Census, my great great great great grandfather George Albert is living at 251 North Road, Preston and is a retired innkeeper 9he probably became one after 1871 as then he was a shoemaker). Was there a pub at that address or close by?
Stephen :)
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Don't know if this is relevant to your research, but i remember a tv program on the paranormal (might have been most haunted) did an investiagation into the Black A Moor Hotel a few years back. It get's shown every so often on the discovery channel.
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Hello
I wonder if anyone knows anything about The SpindleMakers Arms,124 Lancaster Rd, Preston.
My family ran it for some time at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century. My great grandfather James Bramwell Dobson took it over in 1892 and was still there in the 1911 census but I think it had been a beerhouse for some time before that in the Dobson family.
Any information gratefully received.
Wildwaver :
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Hello
I wonder if anyone knows anything about The SpindleMakers Arms,124 Lancaster Rd, Preston.
My family ran it for some time at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century. My great grandfather James Bramwell Dobson took it over in 1892 and was still there in the 1911 census but I think it had been a beerhouse for some time before that in the Dobson family.
Any information gratefully received.
Wildwaver :
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The Spindlemakers Arms is closed, it is now a dilapidated building awaiting demolition :( :( :(
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Thanks for that. I had no idea the building was still there and, delapidated or not, will try and get a look at it before it goes.
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Would you like me to photograph it for you ??
Simon
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Oh yes please that would be great!
Thanks
Wildwaver
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Hi Wildwaver
The present delapidated pub was not the one that your Great Grandfather ran, it was re-built in the late 1950's / early 60's
Would you still like a photograph ??
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In that case I won't trouble you but thanks so much for the offer and the info.
Sue
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One of my ancestors ran a pub in Preston in the 1850-70s.
His address was the cellar 15a Georges Street. His name was variously John Heaves / Eaves / Eves.
I'm trying to find out a bit more about him... anyone know the area? I guess the pub may have been the George?
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I know of one pub that was called The George, it was situated on Church Street, Preston. The building is still there but alas, it is no longer a pub.
Simon
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hi
can anyone help please
i am trying to find out the name of old pub which was in gorst street no. 29 preston or photos
my mum was born there in 1942 it was turned into a house and my great grandmother lived there also ..lily elizabeth skelhorn
thanks
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I'm struggling with this one, the 1917 street directory lists Gorst Street, but there isn't a No. 29 or 30. The 'trades list' doesn't have a hotel, tavern, public house or beerhouse for that address.
I have a map that has a least one beerhouse located on Gorst Street, but with no names given, somewhere I do have a list of drinking establishments to go with the map. If I can't find my list, I will go to the library tomorrow
Regards
Simon
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thankyou simon
maybe the number 29 came later when the beerhouse was shut down ,
all i know is they lived in a 3 storey house on the corner of gorst street and used it to be a beer house
any maps or pictures would be great
thankyou
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I actually live about 200yds from where Gorst Street was. I know an elderly lady who has always lived in the area, I will ask her.
If you PM me your email address I will send you an aerial view of the area
Kind regards
Simon
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pm sent simon
thanks again
been searching and can only come up with this not sure if this is pub as cant load it
Place:Preston Registration District, 1861 Census Street Index P-R ...
yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?...Preston...Street... - Cached
9 Dec 2009 – Go to the other streets for Preston Registration District in 1861. ..... Public House, Gorst Street, Oddfellows Arms, RG 9/3128, 136 ...
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From what I can work out, there were three pub/beerhouses in the vacinity of Gorst Street, one at each end and one in the middle, hopefully I should know which is which by tomorrow
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This is a strange one, I looked in many Barretts Trade Directories for Preston
In 1907 there wasn't a no.29 or 30 Gorst Street, also there wasn't a beerhouse/pub/tavern or inn for that address
1926 also no no.29 or 30 or drinking establishment
1932 has a no. 29 with a Mr T.J. Tosh, a seaman
1936 has a Mr J Worthington, Furnace Tntr living at no.29, still no no.30
1944 has a Mr E Gannon a storekeeper
1948 has Mrs L Skelhorn
1952 has Mrs L Skelhorn
1960 has Mrs Lily E Skelhorn
I'm sure the 1966 is the same, I forgot to write it down (my daughter was pestering)
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I didn't look back far enough. No.29 was a Beerhouse
The lady that I know has just produced a list of pubs and beerhouses from the 1885 Barratts Directory, which I gave her 20 years ago :o :o
No.29 Gorst Street and 6 Clayton Street was the Queens Palace, it was on the corner of both streets
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Queens Palace Inn
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thankyou simon for your help much appreciated
the 1944 mr e gannon was my grandad ,
now im thinking and nave just explained what you got for me to my mum
he as was stationed at fulwood barracks and must have rented 29 gorst st and then my great grandmother lily skelhorn went there to live with him and my nan
my mum thought the other way round he went to live there with lily
my mum was born preston 1942 until she was 4yrs so this means alot to know a bit more .
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I now have copies of the 1828, 1841 & 1854 Trade Directories of Preston
the 1854 Directory only lists Beerhouses by the surname of the tenent
I also have a list of..
!877 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1885 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1901 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1917 Only Hotels Ins & Taverns of Preston
1922 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1926/27 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1936 Beerhouses, Hotels, Inns & Taverns of Preston
1948 Only Hotels, Inns and Taverns of Preston
I will also post this on the 'Lancashire Resources' board
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I am currently the landlady of the Fox and Grapes on Fox Street, Preston and have been for the last nine years. In that time I have tried to find out about the history of the pub and how long it has been the Fox for and I haven't been able to find out much at all.I can't believe it has taken me this long to find this site but I am glad there are other people interested my little pub. Can anyone tell me where to find the trade directories for the early 1800s or does anyone know anything about the history of the place ?
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Hi Sharon, I'll pop in and see you, it shouldn't be to difficult to find out every landlord
You have one of the best pubs in the city for real ale
Simon
PS. do you have the Market Tavern aswell ?
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Hi, no I don't have the Market Tavern that is Tracy she runs a good pub too !! Thanks for your reply I would be really interested to find out as much as possible about the history of the Fox now that I am part of it. Any early photos to add to my collection would be fantastic too - Sharon
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Hi Sharon, I called into the pub today but you were out, I'll try and catch you next week
Kind regards
Simon
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Hi,
This is a useful website
pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk/
Regards
Joan :)
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Hi,
This is a useful website
pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk/
Regards
Joan :)
I was compiling a database of Preston Pubs/Beerhouses, but it looks like someone has beaten me to it.
pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk is well researched and has a lot more information than I do
Regards
Simon
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Take a look at http://pubsinpreston.blogspot.com for details of over 760 inn's, taverns or beer-houses in the old borough of Preston.
Find out lots of information, and make your contribution to it - you never know what you might get back in return.
33,000 page views in just 4 months on this great new site
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Well done Pubsinpreston, brilliant research, far more advanced than my own research
Keep up the good work
Cheers
Simon
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The last message I made in this thread was about a person who turned out not to be my ancestor, but I do have another ancestor who was an innkeeper in Preston - my maternal 4x great grandfather Edward Alston, who in 1851 was the landlord of the Horse Shoe Hotel at 88 Church Street (later on known as the George Inn). I am assuming that Pubsinpreston is the person I sent an email to about Edward and his being mentioned on his site?
Stephen :)